Windows 8 Sales 'Well Below' Projections For Microsoft

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[citation][nom]azz156[/nom]meh each to there own i guess, theres too many "experts" that know better then everyone else on this site. personally i like it and from other comments here every 3rd or 4th one is positive so it comes down to if you like it then ignore the trolls on here.[/citation]

Except that every OTHER person is someone who has to support 100's of people - and we base our decisions on what we KNOW the users NEED, not someone who has the time to PLAY while at home, and has time to learn something, and the neat-o live tile that will tell him the temp or that one of his FB buds posted something.

The boss doesn't want to hear a lunch why nothing got done that morning because the users can't find anything, because some know-it-all (who just got FIRED) "wants" it to be that way.
 
[citation][nom]davewolfgang[/nom]Except that every OTHER person is someone who has to support 100's of people - and we base our decisions on what we KNOW the users NEED, not someone who has the time to PLAY while at home, and has time to learn something, and the neat-o live tile that will tell him the temp or that one of his FB buds posted something. The boss doesn't want to hear a lunch why nothing got done that morning because the users can't find anything, because some know-it-all (who just got FIRED) "wants" it to be that way.[/citation]

i never said of neat-o those live tiles look cool, what i keep saying is windows 8 is faster then windows 7 and i like using it. its just a bunch of pedantic nerds complaining about rubbish, if you don't want to use it then shut up and don't use it. i just hate it when nerds get on there high horse and ram there opinion down everyones throat until they accept it.

before you think i don't know what i'm on about, i have been using windows since 3.11 and had a amiga 500 before that, i have a diploma i got for IT (client support from tafe) & a certificate in programming & have been working in IT for the last 7 years so im as much of a nerd as anyone else here and i can easily say that for the average user at home then windows 8 is perfect for them.


 
You better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout coz we were telling you why ... but MS just don't listen. You think everybody wants to wear a Mao suit or drive a black Ford Model T.
 
[citation][nom]changehappenss[/nom]Windows 8 has plenty of optimizations that make the desktop run faster and more efficiently than Windows 7, but it seems people like to ignore that fact. Windows 8 has done nothing to my productivity once I learned the interface~~~ dribble[/citation]
Ah... 1 post from this 1 day old account. Looks like another MS blogger going around to help make people see the light. Stick your post where the sun doesn't usually shine... Me and others HAVE been using Windows 8. I have it on a notebook... Windows8 isn't worth $100 nor $40... or even $5 to me.

Nothing WRONG with CHANGE... *IF* its done right. Android 4.x has many changes form Android 2.x that makes a big positive difference. Win8 runs nothing faster over Win7. It does less in the background for battery life, nothing more. MS has turned Win7 into some shitty 80s wanna be UI... I grew up with 80s computer tech.

Hell... AmigaOS 2.x was easily better than 1.x, the reversed the color palette but re-wrote most of the code. AmigaOS 3.x was faster, used less memory and enhanced many thing over 2.x. That is how its done.

Win8 has some nice improvement... long over-due on the desktop. That ALONE is enough to buy Win8. The AERO tweak in PR. 8440 looked very nice... then they threw that away... my guess it made METRO looks even more like crap. All the crap in Win8 invalidates any reasons to bother with it. Metro, the Charms, the hidden buttons (what fracken idiot came up with that idea? Oh yeah, didn't he get fired?!) Steve Ballamer needs to go.

I'm going Linux bitches.
 
More M$ Spininions trying to push the Mother of All Crapware Windows 8 Metro/Modern adware, closed UI ecosystem, and productivity ruducing Opreating System on us all! Yes spin away, with your feeble attempts at passing yourselves off as knowledgeable nerds, or IT professionals, reading from your poorly contrived scripts so carelessly preparied by M$ damage control!
 
[citation][nom]azz156[/nom]i never said of neat-o those live tiles look cool, what i keep saying is windows 8 is faster then windows 7 ~~ I had a amiga 500 before that~~~[/citation] Win8 issues is beyond just Metro, its a bad design, its stupid. And there is SOMETHING wrong with "A touch UI that FORCES you to use a keyboard" (pretty much YOUR own words)... which proves how royally screwed up the whole Win8 design is. I have it on a computer, for months... I hate it, pure fracking hate... hate it worse than vista. Me was buggy shit, but it was not as bad as metro/ex-aero design.

Amiga500 helped bring down the Amiga line (besides the entire upper management... perhaps they now work for Microsoft??) It was a toy computer. When I had a choice, I went with the Amiga 1000 (still works) because I wanted a keyboard and an better ergonomic way of using a computer. I still have my functional Amiga 3000 with AmigaOS 3.0 installed.

Amiga 500... meh. Amiga 1200... puke. When C= released the A1200 and A4000, I knew Commodore was done for. Ugly white and brown computers, over-priced and crappy display-flicker-fixer. I went and bought the A3000, knowing it would be my last... and that it wasn't state of the art in Amiga tech. Commodore was stupid and deserve to die... but WE Amiga users got screwed. MS is kind of doing the same thing... but they are much harder to die.
 
[citation][nom]davewolfgang[/nom]Except that every OTHER person is someone who has to support 100's of people - and we base our decisions on what we KNOW the users NEED, not someone who has the time to PLAY while at home, and has time to learn something, and the neat-o live tile that will tell him the temp or that one of his FB buds posted something. The boss doesn't want to hear a lunch why nothing got done that morning because the users can't find anything, because some know-it-all (who just got FIRED) "wants" it to be that way.[/citation]

i doubt it'll be that hard to explain "oh move your mouse a little closer to the corner to show the start button" or push the windows key & type what your after. the basics are all there its just in a different wrapper. for the customers i deal with on a daily basis i just make shortcuts on their desktop for the common programs which is usually just their browser of choice, a email client & office. still its not like people cant use their mobiles to get on facebook and check the weather....oh wait they can...and yet work still manages to get done. Didn't windows vista & 7 have desktop gadgets for that stuff also hmmm..

anyway i could argue this all night but i doubt i'll have much chance budging your view on this.
 
[citation][nom]DamageControlScriptSpinners[/nom]More M$ Spininions trying to push the Mother of All Crapware Windows 8 Metro/Modern adware, ~~[/citation] What I noticed in the store with the row of Win8 crap-systems... is the constant promotion to GET/BUY crap from the MS-whatever App or media store.

Use Win8 as a normal user... and it still trys to pimp you with MS crap.... no, not YOUR pics, videos or music... nope, they want you to buy something first... then you scroll to get to your own data.

 
[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]Win8 issues is beyond just Metro, its a bad design, its stupid. And there is SOMETHING wrong with "A touch UI that FORCES you to use a keyboard" (pretty much YOUR own words)... which proves how royally screwed up the whole Win8 design is. I have it on a computer, for months... I hate it, pure fracking hate... hate it worse than vista. Me was buggy shit, but it was not as bad as metro/ex-aero design.Amiga500 helped bring down the Amiga line (besides the entire upper management... perhaps they now work for Microsoft??) It was a toy computer. When I had a choice, I went with the Amiga 1000 (still works) because I wanted a keyboard and an better ergonomic way of using a computer. I still have my functional Amiga 3000 with AmigaOS 3.0 installed.Amiga 500... meh. Amiga 1200... puke. When C= released the A1200 and A4000, I knew Commodore was done for. Ugly white and brown computers, over-priced and crappy display-flicker-fixer. I went and bought the A3000, knowing it would be my last... and that it wasn't state of the art in Amiga tech. Commodore was stupid and deserve to die... but WE Amiga users got screwed. MS is kind of doing the same thing... but they are much harder to die.[/citation]

considering i was 5 when i got my amiga 500 i thought it was the greatest thing in world at the time, i could create cartoons, play monkey island 2 on 11 floppy discs or dune, great fun but anyway with windows 8 it isn't buggy or unreliable. as a os its rock solid & fast so its purely a cosmetic thing and down to the users personal taste so when i read these comments i just see baseless anecdotal evidence since they don't like the look and feel of it while other users are happy with it. also you can use the mouse for everything in windows 8, i just prefer to use the keyboard.
 
i always thought with amiga it died because it just faded away from the market since not many shops sold them, parts were hard to get & were just getting slowly out done by better company's with deeper pockets. still you can get a amiga these days but alittle too expensive to get the motherboard.
 
[citation][nom]azz156[/nom]considering i was 5 when i got my amiga 500 i thought it was the greatest thing in world at the time, ~~ windows 8 it isn't buggy or unreliable. as a os its rock solid & fast so its purely a cosmetic thing and down to the users personal taste so when i read these comments i just see baseless anecdotal evidence since they don't like the look and feel of it while other users are happy with it.[/citation] Being 5 years old isn't an excuse... okay, you get a pass.

Of course some people will like Win8. Doesn't make it a good or great product (MS-DOS is proof of that, pretty much the worst OS for the 80s and up). Totinos $1 pizza is sold all over the USA, but its still a crappy $1 frozen pizza.

Almost nobody is complaining about the stability and performance of Windows 8. The UI is just crap. It doesn't actually improve on anything, hence, why even bother. When I first installed Win 8... I thought I would like it (I love Metro WP7 UI) - After about 15 minutes... I wasn't liking it. And the thought of using it every day... is dreadful.

Time is short... new girlfriend, holidays... Win8 gets to live on my notebook until 2013 when its murdered and I replace it with Linux.
 


So then the IT guy is suppose to do something "extra" to get this "new" OS to act like something they already have that's working just fine............AND the users already know how to use for the last two decades......

How many people do you "help"? 10? 15?

You really have no idea what actually companies NEED their workers to do on their desktops, do you?
 
WHy pay for windows when I can get Debian for free? It has much much much better RAM management. It doesn' thave a pagefile that is slow and large. Gnome 3 is amazing and I can download KVM/QEMU for free if I really need windows on it.
 
[citation][nom]pocketdrummer[/nom]The next headline needs to read."Windows 8 sales far above the world's projections."The fact they sold any copies at all is puzzling.[/citation]
I bought a copy for collector purposes. I'm not even going to bother wasting time trying to figure out Windows 8 when the only thing to come out of it is bugs and disappointment.

If Windows 9 can't bring back the Start Menu or anything besides a touch-based interface then I'm moving over to Linux as I'm sure all the quirks with battery life on laptops will have been updated/solved by then.
 
Micro$oft stopped listening to their largest group of paying customers, business. Shame on them. People have been screaming how non-user friendly the experience was since beta, and Customer Preview. Just because the skinny jeans wearing, hipster, mid 20s male likes "Metro" doesn't mean the rest of the world does. Guess what, that demographic is the 1%.
 
For whatever reason, Micro$oft stopped listening to the pleas of the business and IT crowd. Windows 8 has so much going for it, but seriously, how many thousands of people have to scream, GIVE ME THE START MENU. They've finally crossed over into nintendo-esque territory of internal "focus groups". Unless they shape up and start listening to their largest maket share (not the vocal skinny jeans, hipster males), it's a long slippery downhill slope.
 
My friend has a Nokia phone with Win 7.5 OS on it. The phone is priced well and is amazing value because I found the layout amazing, the UI top-class and everything just seemed so smooth and polished. I saw a desktop running Win 8 at one of Microsoft's promo events, the loud flashy screen, the large tiles, it just looked weird and cumbersome to use with your standard KB and mouse. Plus the tiles, I wouldn't want them on the screen when I am starting a presentation!
 
i have a question,
those of you who upraged i mean upgraded to a new OS and then downloaded a mod to say, just for example "put the start menu back" or give it the windows xp look that type of thing, do you also do the same thing when you upgrade your cars ? like strip out all the new car interior and seats then put all ya old car's interior + seats from your old cars ? just wondered ?
 
[citation][nom]Stevemeister[/nom]Let's see - Windows 2000 Fail, Windows XP Great, Windows Vista Fail, Windows 7 Great . . . . is there a pattern here?People get used to their OS's and unless the newest OS offers something noticeably better there is no real incentive to change. Windows 7 works great, Windows 8 may be good also but its not so overwhelmingly better that I would part with cash for it nor do I want to have to re-learn where everything is (time is money). Windows 7 is not that old and it's like a car - you don't buy a new one every 4 years unless you have money to waste. Most OS's will run well for 6-7 years before users decide they need to upgrade so don't expect too much until Windows 9.[/citation]
I do believe you are confusing Windows 2000 with Windows ME. Windows 2000 was a very good OS. In fact, XP was essentially only a slight upgrade over 2000. 2000 was built on the NT kernel and, while XP gets the majority of the credit of bringing NT into regular home use, 2000 was likely more responsible. Win ME was the last of the 95/98 line where it was built partially on top of DOS and was a buggy mess.
 
[citation][nom]stevevnicks[/nom]i have a question,those of you who upraged i mean upgraded to a new OS and then downloaded a mod to say, just for example "put the start menu back" or give it the windows xp look that type of thing, do you also do the same thing when you upgrade your cars ? like strip out all the new car interior and seats then put all ya old car's interior + seats from your old cars ? just wondered ?[/citation]
Actually many people will take something like an after market radio from a previous car and put it into a new car. Not everything about a new car is better in ever single way than a previous one.

Now, I have not upgraded to Win 8 and honestly, I have no intention to. I don't believe it's a bad OS, I don't believe MS has any intention of turning the x86 version into a walled garden, but personally there is not much different between 7 and 8 for me to upgrade. But that said, many people have and it's not a bad thing.

Companies can not make a better product without customer feedback. While I can understand, somewhere, Microsoft's thinking for dumping the Start button, I don't believe it was such a good idea, not at this time anyway. Would appear MS agrees as they are likely going to bring it back in a patch.

But don't think one minor thing should stand in a person's way of upgrading if they believe the pros outweigh the cons.
 
[citation][nom]davewolfgang[/nom]So then the IT guy is suppose to do something "extra" to get this "new" OS to act like something they already have that's working just fine............AND the users already know how to use for the last two decades......How many people do you "help"? 10? 15? You really have no idea what actually companies NEED their workers to do on their desktops, do you?[/citation]

no not true, i've always done it since win xp and the amount of customers i have to deal with would be in the hundreds in any given weeks. i'm not aloud to mention the place i work at (on facebook or where ever) but its the largest computer store chain in australia. though the most common problem is just virus and other software problems or a dead hdd. i very rarely get a customer that wants a refund because someone said (usually there 14 y/o kid) that omg vista is crap or some other idiotic remark but i usually at the time would just sell them a oem version of xp and be done with it, thats extremely rare.

though i would be surprised any of yous are actually working in any it industry since where all protected through anonymity of the Internet and can spout "i work at cern or something" but from my personal experience working at a large corporate environment in brisbane cbd and small computer stores it mostly a non issue but seems to be a unique thing toms hardware attracts since all other tech sites i visit get mostly happy users in the comments section.

anyway let the fud train depart the station, we all have girlfriends to attend and holidays to plan.
 
[citation][nom]Stevemeister[/nom]Let's see - Windows 2000 Fail, Windows XP Great, Windows Vista Fail, Windows 7 Great . . . . is there a pattern here?People get used to their OS's and unless the newest OS offers something noticeably better there is no real incentive to change. Windows 7 works great, Windows 8 may be good also but its not so overwhelmingly better that I would part with cash for it nor do I want to have to re-learn where everything is (time is money). Windows 7 is not that old and it's like a car - you don't buy a new one every 4 years unless you have money to waste. Most OS's will run well for 6-7 years before users decide they need to upgrade so don't expect too much until Windows 9.[/citation]


nope your a moron firstly you got it wrong since windows 2000 was awsum.

win 98 - buggy
win 98 se - stable and good for games
win 2000 - rock solid but a little slower for games
win me - i used it and had no dramas with it (dad bought me the upgrade version for my 14th bday)
pre sp xp - crap
xp sp1 - crap
xp sp2 - rock solid but when it came out we had no end of problems with the new firewall at our small lan party (30 to 50 ppl)
vista - if you had 2 gig + of ram then perfect anything less and it was unusable
project mojave or win 7 - like vista but better
win 8 - rock solid and insanely quick but has a scary new interface oooohh

so depending on you point of view it will effect the pattern. id be surprised to know if anyone here was old enough to have actually used win 98 or me when it first came out but i think anything before win 2000 or made in the 90's was a buggy mess. MS OS didn't get good till xp sp2.

anyway trolls don't let this wall of text stop you from giving me the thumbs down since i don't agree with you.
 
[citation][nom]stevevnicks[/nom]~~do you also do the same thing when you upgrade your cars ? like strip out all the new car interior~~[/citation] might as well make it strange.

When you get a new girlfriend, do you make her wear your ex's clothes, buy her a new set of matching breasts? Maybe even dye her hair and trim her below to match the old girl-friend? (note: if its a guy, switch our "girl" for "guy")
 
Windows 1~3 = not an Operating System.
Windows 9X = An OS, odd-hybrid of DOS-GUI glued together, but it did work.. mostly... especially later... but in truth, it was always pure crap under the hood.

Win95 = First consumer GUI OS, crash city, it was common for re-installs every 3~6 months. (I used GHOST a lot back in those days).
Win95 OSR2 = Win95 with USB support that was stable.
Win98 = A nice little upgrade over WIn95, didn't have any problems.
Win98SE = last good Win9x OS... (I used this until 2003)... stable by Win9x standards.
WinMe = Pretty... but mostly broken. Win98se was sold along side until XP came out.

WinNT 3.x = MS's first true GUI OS... (1993) It was crap, no software (it wasn't MS-DOS compatible).
(Looks like Win3.1)
WinNT 4.0 = (Looks like Win95) while it was a biz-class OS, it was sure not User friendly, it was a mess with its 7 horrible service packs that would eat each other. Its amazing anything worked.

Windows2000 = Finally, a serious OS from MS that works. Looks like XP but without the consumer colors.

WinXP SP0 = teehthing pains. SP1 = Good, SP2= Good enough. SP3 = if you got the resources.
WinXP MCE = re-skinned version of XP (IE: you are paying $125 for an OEM version of XP-PRO) with some consumer little tools added.
Vista = puke. Offered nothing over XP, memory defects.
Win7 = Best OS MS has ever made in their life.
Win8 = Takes a big step back for the sake of being crazy, stupid and greedy.
 
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