Windows 8 to Have 3 R's: Recovery, Reset, Restore

[dEAne]

This is very cool. I love Windows.

 

[Regulas]

The triple redundancy is so the FEDS always have a copy easily available to them. Ah, gotta love Microbloat and their NSA co-authored OS's.

 

[Regulas]

[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]Same for me. I was lucky enough to have ONE prof so far who was a Windows guy (all of the class except one student were also on Windows). Every prof before that has been Linux (or Mac) and using the emacs text editor to code.[/citation]
They are smart, that's why. Linux and OS X are both superior to the NSA co-authored crash and burn spyware known as Windows.

 

[excalibur1814]

So, lets get rid of Windows and all run OSX. Apple will then TELL all of us what to do and eventually become an NSA co-authorised OS. Then again, I have no idea of the rubbish you speak as I'm from the UK and simply use the damn thing each day.

The absolute crap that comes out of people's mouths at times scares me. Its a DAMN OS. Flipping heck

 

[phatency]

[citation][nom]eusebe[/nom]A computer is like a coffee machine... once in a while you need to purge it from it's deposit... But, Crosoft dit a good job...XP=every 6 months[/citation]
Every 6 months? I haven't reinstalled XP in 6 years and it's still running fine. It starts a bit slow, but I never shut it down anyways. I also have the most bloated start menu I've ever seen, resulting from years of installing programs.

 

[sprunth]

I hope there are more cons then pros here. Sounds like a good idea, but so did the Kin. *Good Execution Please*

I recently had to reinstall Win7 on my computer; Microsoft is getting there. It was able to send everything into the Windows.old folder...even my program files and my system32 folder. Not sure how much I'll need those folders, but i was nice. I only lost my registry keys...(and I needed to reinstall, but no biggy).

Speaking of which, how is Win8 going to pull this off? New registry keys with old options/settings? Full new install of programs? Saved copy of registry?
I guess we'll find out in a bit.

 

[techguy378]

I already have most of Microsoft's planned restore feature. I just store my data on a second hard drive and use my primary hard drive for OS and app storage. Windows 7 already includes drivers for the vast majority of my hardware so reinstalling only takes about 15 minutes at most.

 

[raybob95]

Well . . . I have Windows Vista x64. I built my PC in June of 2009 (Core i7, SSD, the whole 9) after having an AMD Athlon 64/64MB Onboard Video/80GB IDE HDD Type system for 5 years, which I hated. One week after I first installed my copy of Vista, the internet would not work. Absolutely nothing could connect to the internet, and there was no reason for it. When booted into Ubuntu, it worked fine. Microsoft said my OS was corrupted. Just before I was going to start all over with my OS, all removable storage devices refused to appear in 'My Computer' or diskmgmt.msc or anything of the sort. Again, they worked fine in Linux. So, I ended up reinstalling the OS and after a year, everything has worked completely fine except for a few times where a program would halt and then lock-up the whole PC at boot for no reason. No problems at all, really. I will say however, that I do get the occasional BSOD for no reason at all, but it will always reboot fine. Also, I really late the Ubuntu and Kubuntu interfaces. On the bad side, I MUST reboot at most every ~60 hours or so or else it will start glitching and just not running right. On the good side, I have over a terabyte of media and programs, as well as a ton of services and over 20 programs at startup, yet the thing hasn't glitched because of it and still starts very quickly.

So, my 2 cents, Windows (or at least Vista) is a bit glitchy and could use some work, but overall, I think it's way better than Linux or OSX mainly because of the interface and then also the power that you get with it. Windows CAN do way more than Linux or OSX will ever be able to do.

As for Windows 8, I think the App-Store idea sucks. I like it where all my software comes from different vendors and I'm in charge of the way everything happens with my software and updates. Also, I wanna see a more conventional windows, not the cheap, "One Size Fits All" crap where they try to fuse together a Tablet OS, a Netbook OS, and a High End Desktop OS with tons of intensive productivity. It just doesn't work, and I don't want to see Microsoft turn into Apple whether Apple is better or not.

 

[raybob95]

[citation][nom]Razor512[/nom]that waiting is due mainly to the hard drives. It is a real shame that out of all other computer hardware (except floppy drives and optical drives, hard drives and SSD's have been the slowest to advance but they are responsible for most of out load times.ignoring application performance and simply focusing on load times, a single core P4 based system with an SSD will start up faster and load multiple applications long before a 6 core (core I7) system with a 7200RPM drive will.but even then, with SSD's storage has been very slow to improve. My 20 gig hard drive from 10 years ago can hold a read speed of about 40MB/s, 10 years later and the average for a HDD is about 110-150MB/sduring that same time, a videocard from 2010 is probably a few hundred times faster than a videocard from 2000same as with CPU's, while clock speed may have not come a long way , the speed of CPU's have.while storage technology has improved, it is nothing compared to how much everything else for computers have improved.[/citation]

An HDD from 2000 is capable of at best 100 IOPS. They have SSDs now at 80,000 IOPS.

 

[Regulas]

[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]"Windows rot". So there's actually a technical term for Microsoft's in-built **** quality? I use Linux and OSX because they don't "rot". They run just as good 3 years later as they do on day one. No sluggishness, no slow death, no hard drive grinding away wondering WTF is it doing. Not a fanboy, or even loyal to any brands; I'm just an "Anything but Microsoft" fan - because I like to use my computers to DO work - not spend all my time trying to make them work.[/citation]
Ditto, I use windows for gaming only and then a complete re-install is needed every year or so to eliminate bloating of the registry system. Since Linux and OS X are dirivitives of UNIX they don't use the stupid registry system that the FEDS love to look up your history with.
Don't let all the Crapbox 360/MS trolls/fanboys on this site get you down with their thumbs down.

 

[rohitbaran]

I would add one more R: Ridiculously expensive

 

[phantom93]

I hope windows 8, isnt called windows 8.

 

[rohitbaran]

What then? Ventilators 8?

 

[rooseveltdon]

[citation][nom]wotan31[/nom]Surely you are joking. Linux and OSX can do far more than Windows can even dream of. Windows is for Word and Excel. It's for clerical business people and secretaries. UNIX is where the real computing gets done. It's the platform of Hollywood movie editing and post-production effects. It's the platform of CAD and Engineering work. It's the platform of Microprocessor design. It's the platform of chemical and pharmaceutical engineering and simulations, weather prediction, nuclear research, etc. etc. What does Windows do? Office and some games that kids play. As for reboots, we have linux servers at work that haven't been rebooted since 2008. We have HP-UX and AIX servers that haven't been rebooted since 2005. Sorry, you lose.[/citation]

I don't even know where to start with this, so much crap is such a short post, you are good bro, you are good

 

[rooseveltdon]

[citation][nom]regulas[/nom]Ditto, I use windows for gaming only and then a complete re-install is needed every year or so to eliminate bloating of the registry system. Since Linux and OS X are dirivitives of UNIX they don't use the stupid registry system that the FEDS love to look up your history with.Don't let all the Crapbox 360/MS trolls/fanboys on this site get you down with their thumbs down.[/citation]

you sound more like a fanboy than anyone on here, the feds can look up anything they want, they have the resources,you don't, secondly whether you use windows for gaming or not is irrelevant, majority of the work done in computers gets done on windows most of the time, it has its flaws but so does OSX trust me i am writing this on a mac mini with snow leopard so i know.don't quit your day job.

 

[togenshi]

What would be nice is if user documents and user-installed programs were on a different partition/disk. Would save so much trouble for a re-install process.

 

[rohitbaran]

The programs on other drives may not run properly if windows is formatted since their registry settings will be gone.

 

[pwnagehobo]

[citation][nom]dreamer77dd[/nom]would they take all my stuff and send it to the cloud? [/citation]
I really hope not, especially considering probably 60-70% (guesstimate) of people in Australia are with an ISP that meters uploads as well as downloads. They meter all your data going to the cloud and then hit you again when you try to get it back.

Personally I don't think anyone should be metered for uploads... ever. But the reality is that many still are (At least in Australia).


I think the whole idea is great in theory, but we'll have to see how it's implemented before we can make any real judgements.

 

[pwnagehobo]

[citation][nom]togenshi[/nom]What would be nice is if user documents and user-installed programs were on a different partition/disk. Would save so much trouble for a re-install process.[/citation]
Maybe Windows 8 will require multiple disks or partitions to install, And it will locate User Documents and the desktop on the second disk or partition.
That would work well with SSDs too, as they make their way into the mainstream market.

 

[back_by_demand]

In nearly 20 months of having Windows 7, 10 months of the pre-release and 10 months of the full retail version, I have never once needed to reinstall. An occasional cleanout of temp internet files and recycle bin and it is sharp and snappy as the day I first installed it. All the people who rag on MS have clearly never used Windows 7 otherwise they would shut the hell up.

 

[mrmez]

Hating on Microsoft is so 2001.

2001?
You mean ppl have been hating ms for nearly a decade at best?

Wow. Guess its time we finally lower our expectations.
I can live with that.

 

[JimmiG]

It would be a great feature - for support personnel and tweakers. It should be hidden away from the regular user, under some advanced system settings page, with multiple warnings. It should certainly not be advertised as a "feature", because it's not. That would be like MS telling everyone how awesome Ctrl+Alt+Del is because you can kill programs that have crashed. Apple would surely make fun of them.

This is not something you, as a normal user, should have to worry about. You just turn on your computer and it works. There are just too many risks and too much hassle. What's "my stuff"? What if you store "stuff" in non-standard places and it doesn't get included? Also, music, games and movies with Digital Restrictions Management might fail to re-activate.

 

[Guest]

there solution that doing it for Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 without reinstalling applications
http://www.reimage.com

 

[back_by_demand]

Windows 7 already has the perfect solution for my own personal needs.
A recovery image.
I install all my programs, tweak all my setting and get it just the way I want, then I get it to record a "ghost" style image and store it on a secondary hard drive, I even have a copy on a USB hard drive in the fire safe.
If my system even gets slow (which it hasn't in the last 20 months) or if my HDD dies or PC is stolen, I can simply restore from the image and voila! All fresh and new again with all my programs installed and everything. All that would need to be done is sync up my emails and missing AV updates and I am rocking and rolling again.

Already exists in Windows 7, works great.

 

[the_brute]

As far as I have seen the two biggest things that cause windows rot, is windows massive registry, and its lack of a decent defragmenter. OSX and *nix have a module registry, if it does fail its only part of the system, and a low-level defragmenter. Take care of those two problems and Windows will last longer with less rot. The worst OS I have had recently is Ubuntu Karmic Koala. The newer versions haven’t rotted and the older ones didn’t rot but it did.

And yes I will agree with wotan31 and thejerk. Custom kernels for extreme science are not even in the same ball field as Windows for what they do, but you cant just hop on one of those beasts and check email. Also the kernel is usually wiped after every run, so you are reloading the "OS" after almost every use.