Windows 'Modern UI' Cool? LOL, It doesn't function as an interface for a desktop computer. I have 500GB of FLAC files, Terrabytes of Animation and 3D models and textures, and we're expected to use Modern UI to manage and manipulate our workloads? LMAO! I can't move files from one disk to the other within the modern UI, it has to drop me to desktop in order to achieve the most simplest basic functions that an Operating system should provide, you know, functions that allow me to operate my computer?I'm sorry Toms, you guys usually do a good job but this article is laughable. I do not own a $10,000 PC just for the privilege of having it transformed into a glorified smartphone. My PC is not a 'media consumption' device, it is a production facility and I need the management tools and the capability to deal with the data stored on it so I can do my job.If Microsoft are serious about this transition they are going to need to do a hell of a lot better with respect to system and data management, end of story. That doesn't mean turning my desktop into a shop front for their crAPPware or their personal web front end for the NSA/OneDrive either thanks all the same.
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New OS nowadays generally bring so little to the customers most choose to stay with the older OS until it is time to buy a new computer. And the performance of new CPU has been stagnant for so long that almost no one feel the need to buy a new computer until the old one is broken. PC industry, both hardware vendor and MS included, has been so used to using CPU and OS upgrade to drive sales is now facing an industry with a lot less volume than before. The push to cloud computing makes the need for a powerful client PC even less. They need to find new killer applications for PC. Make a good software and affordable 3D printer and make the PC know how to make/cook tasty food, maybe that will help.
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I strongly disagree with the author. Yes, Windows 8 *IS* that horrible. And 8.1 did not really address any of the usability issues with Win 8. My wife is about an average computer user, and she had a terrible time learning to navigate Win 8. I am more knowledgable, and without me to help her, it would have been even more frustrating. Even with both of us trying to learn the interface, we had to go to the internet to learn how to do something a simple as turn off the computer. A total farce as far as usability is concerned.The sad part is, all MS had to do was leave the start menu and the desktop as it was and provide an option to boot to desktop. I dont know if they are that out of touch and dont understand what they are doing, or (more likely IMO) is that they are just so arrogant that they are determined to force us to use what they think we should want.
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You obviously don't understand Linux. Linux sees no reason in leaving RAM unallocated so it will preload commonly used applications into unused RAM for speed and mark it as removable if you don't use it and it needs the RAM. You are only filling 5.5GB out of 8GB. It probably couldn't find anything else to load.
I run Gentoo Linux just fine on a 13 year old PC with a 1GHz Athlon and 768 MB RAM. That involves compiling the code from source includin resource hogs like the Firefox and Chromium browsers.It's gonna be such fun when all the XP users get totally screwed on April 8th! I can't wait. The amount of butthurt will be enormous with everyone getting their systems completely taken over by hackers with their zero-day exploits they've been carefully saving for years now...
And yet WinXP still works better than anything that came after, and ... ooo ... it can actually run in 1 GB of RAM (and really roars with just 3.5GB)!! The Metro UI alone takes more space than that and it's just smoke and mirrors to distract the youngsters from the fact their daddy's are shelling out more bucks for less bang than ever before. Not that they care. Newer might be prettier but it sure isn't any smarter. And, yes, I have all three in the house (WinXP, Win7 and Win8) ... guess which one the working fellow is using ... LOL [hint: it starts with X-cellent LOL]
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I tripple-boot XP, 7 & Linux, and I still occasionally use DOS, 95 & 98 in virtual PC.XP is still my primary OS and it's still awesome (when configured properly). I'll stop using it when I feel like it.
Heck, make metro applications scaleable and put the Win 8 start screen as a background behind everything else I'm working on and I may just use it. Right now I have to run Win 8 like Win 7 as everything that makes it Win 8 prevents me from using more than one application at a time. Just because mobile devices have problems with multitasking doesn't mean the desktop should regress to DOS.
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You guys are weird. I won't comment on Windows 8, I like it on my desktop and my Surface Pro and don't really care about internet opinions. What baffles me is that y'all are even defending XP over 7. It uses less memory because it does less, and looks worse doing it [which Apple proved does matter]. This was the same argument people used for Windows 98 by the way, because everyone freaked out at the amount of memory XP required on its release, a number that only went up with time. It's too close to the metal so it crashes all the time [Compared to Vista on having a layer of abstraction that allows Windows to recover from even graphics driver crashes without going down] and has security flaws that 7 can only dream of.
Wake up and get a modern operating system. I couldn't care less if you use Linux, Mac, or a version of Windows, but your loyalty to an OS so old it didn't even have networking support initially is absurd. Any idiot still using XP, especially after April 8, is putting global network security at risk by having these machines on the internet. I for one am not looking forward to the global botnets that are about to be formed because fools refused to pay 50 bucks for Windows 7.
Go ahead and keep downvoting every comment on this article that doesn't fit narrowly within your blind Windows 8 hate, doesn't change the reality that XP is now a slum of an OS that's about to get hacked to pieces and needs to die.
Wake up and get a modern operating system. I couldn't care less if you use Linux, Mac, or a version of Windows, but your loyalty to an OS so old it didn't even have networking support initially is absurd. Any idiot still using XP, especially after April 8, is putting global network security at risk by having these machines on the internet. I for one am not looking forward to the global botnets that are about to be formed because fools refused to pay 50 bucks for Windows 7.
Go ahead and keep downvoting every comment on this article that doesn't fit narrowly within your blind Windows 8 hate, doesn't change the reality that XP is now a slum of an OS that's about to get hacked to pieces and needs to die.
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Do people not get that it's high time to get rid of the bloody thing? Windows 7 is an amazing improvement over it, and I'm thrilled that MS will finally force an upgrade to it or 8/9. The only reason I kept seven around is for things Toms probably wouldn't condone, but otherwise I have no gripe with 8/8.1.
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I have already moved two of my XP machines to Lubuntu. One, a seven year old laptop, now boots up so fast my wife cannot believe it! My next XP machine to switch over is a media PC attached to my TV, but that is going to be more challenging due to Netflix's use of Silverlight.
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100% I believe they do. If they haven't bought a new OS in the last 5-10 years or a new computer in the last 8-12, then they either need to purchase a new OS or start learning a lightweight Linux distro. Either that or get a typewriter, since you don't want to manage the upkeep any computer will require [which does indeed involve purchasing a new OS every 12 YEARS or so].
The problem is those people are endangering themselves by running outdated software that's NOT FIT FOR USE on the internet and they are endangering everybody else by running compromised machines that are used in DDoS attacks, used as spam distributers, botnets and all sorts of nefarious things that affect other people, people who HAVE been careful with their computers and internet security.
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That's 'IF' Windows 9 is any better than Windows 8. Sure, there's nothing wrong with Windows 8.. other then the UI! Not only that they gave up a simple service pack update system for a reinstall. Enough to annoy everyone. I always do clean installations but unless your OS is crippled there should be no need to do a clean installation. This isn't Windows 95/98 where you have to do a system reinstallation every year just to keep it from locking up. Microsoft made these OS's more stable in that fashion yet if you update to 8.1 and you got some software that is conflicting with the upgrade then your running into problems.
And since when was it perfectly ok to install a 3rd party start menu? When did this start? Soon as W8 comes out, people have been flabbergasting that people are complaining about the start menu and that 'The start screen is better'. Did i miss something here? Since when were people complaining that the start menu was awful? Or that it's completely useless... i didn't use it much in W95 or 98 other then shutting down/restarting or looking for that odd item that you generally find in the start menu. By XP i started customizing the start menu (from the MS settings!) and by W7 it's all i use to load programs that are not pinned on the taskbar. IMO W8 is a regression from that. It seems that anyone that is in the same boat felt like W8 was just a big slap in the face, 'your not supposed to be using the start menu, hurr durr, use this instead'.
I saw a video where MS is making the modern apps work like desktop apps and it's on the desktop. Why this wasn't done in the first place is beyond me. It's like MS had a great idea to switch everything around to make people upset, except they didn't know it was. What about having 20 years of desktop conformity did these people miss? Other then some changes over the years, Windows has relatively been the same! No major UI changes, just the overall look which imo using W7 is no different from using W95. Windows 8 felt like going back to 3.1 where there was barely any desktop.
W8 has encouraged me to get Linux. The fact that people actually like W8 is encouraging me to make Linux my main OS and Windows as a need only basis (that's if i even need it). Even if W9 does fix W8's fiaso (and it's not to say MS isn't attempting to make W8 bearable), but i feel that this modern app nonsense has got to go. It's probably not going anywhere and users are going to be forced no matter what to use them but in all honesty, MS needs to make it work so that modern apps work like desktop apps so people won't notice a difference between the 2.
Would a desktop Os work on a tablet? Probably not and i see that tablet apps do not work wel on desktops. MS can make them work better, to strictly incorporate tablet apps to work like desktop programs in which case should be no different from using W7. The start menu should also be an option (not only as a 3rd party download) as some users will not download or install anything until their system is properly protected, in which case you will have to use the start screen in order to achieve that, if you don't have the patience for it.. you'll be wanting a different oS all together.
And since when was it perfectly ok to install a 3rd party start menu? When did this start? Soon as W8 comes out, people have been flabbergasting that people are complaining about the start menu and that 'The start screen is better'. Did i miss something here? Since when were people complaining that the start menu was awful? Or that it's completely useless... i didn't use it much in W95 or 98 other then shutting down/restarting or looking for that odd item that you generally find in the start menu. By XP i started customizing the start menu (from the MS settings!) and by W7 it's all i use to load programs that are not pinned on the taskbar. IMO W8 is a regression from that. It seems that anyone that is in the same boat felt like W8 was just a big slap in the face, 'your not supposed to be using the start menu, hurr durr, use this instead'.
I saw a video where MS is making the modern apps work like desktop apps and it's on the desktop. Why this wasn't done in the first place is beyond me. It's like MS had a great idea to switch everything around to make people upset, except they didn't know it was. What about having 20 years of desktop conformity did these people miss? Other then some changes over the years, Windows has relatively been the same! No major UI changes, just the overall look which imo using W7 is no different from using W95. Windows 8 felt like going back to 3.1 where there was barely any desktop.
W8 has encouraged me to get Linux. The fact that people actually like W8 is encouraging me to make Linux my main OS and Windows as a need only basis (that's if i even need it). Even if W9 does fix W8's fiaso (and it's not to say MS isn't attempting to make W8 bearable), but i feel that this modern app nonsense has got to go. It's probably not going anywhere and users are going to be forced no matter what to use them but in all honesty, MS needs to make it work so that modern apps work like desktop apps so people won't notice a difference between the 2.
Would a desktop Os work on a tablet? Probably not and i see that tablet apps do not work wel on desktops. MS can make them work better, to strictly incorporate tablet apps to work like desktop programs in which case should be no different from using W7. The start menu should also be an option (not only as a 3rd party download) as some users will not download or install anything until their system is properly protected, in which case you will have to use the start screen in order to achieve that, if you don't have the patience for it.. you'll be wanting a different oS all together.
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The get a different OS instead of rambling on about your personal dislike of Windows 8. I don't even know what you're talking about in regards to the 8.1 update, it was a simple download and update pushed through the Windows Store. The whole thing was faster and easier than any service pack I've seen despite delivering way more features.
If you want a start menu, install a bloody start menu, but nothing about it is a requirement. THAT's why it's been relegated to third parties. The start screen does an admirable job, what little I see of it on my desktop. Frankly, your entire argument became irrelevant when you posited the past interfaces as the primary reason to keep it the same. If that was legitimate, we'd still be happily puttering along in DOS and Terminal, because people complained about UI's even then when Windows came out as a shell over DOS. Not to mention that when using 8 on a desktop you plain just don't see the start screen that much. It's not like you're locked to tablet apps, install regular Evernote and pass on the Windows Store version if you want.
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It's pretty clear, whatever they decide to do, they should consider getting input from Tom's readers before finalizing anything.
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Of course win9 will have tile based UI, that one is sure, but how much better desktop mode we will get remains to be seeing. That much is sure. Win9 is win8 refress, like win7 was Vista refress. The good parts are, that the drivers should be the same, so less problem than in the beginning of the win8 era. There is more time to make also the desktop more mouse friendly. But the basics remains the same. The next "Big" upgrade will be win10, that is supposed to be a cloud OS what ever that means...Linux... will remain 1% OS for some time more. Hopefully it will become more popular, but there is a long way to go there.
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Ummm you're talking about the Start Page, not Win8.1. Have you actually bothered to install 8.1 and set it up? I've migrated to it and I think it's easily as good as 7. For both my light home use and more serious IT based role at work.
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