Windows 9 Expected To Push Consumers Off Windows XP

[Genius_ignorant_goof]

One thing to know, Mr. Kevin Parrish, is that CUSTOMERS do NOT LIKE to BE PUSHED OFF ANYTHING!If you, Parrish, were a car dealer, would you blow up prior customers vehicles to generate more business?That's what you sound like. Or, are you pushing your granny over a cliff to speed your inheritance ? Do you love it if someone pushed you off your bicycle?That's what you and the whole lot of unfeeling, uncaring, meanspirited vicious so-called "software engineers" sound like. You don't give a damn about your customers, and that's why we don't like you. I have seen the new CEO andreplacement marketing people at MS, and it looks like they have been "perfectly programmed by MS" to be the "unfeeling, thoughtless, unkind" machines to carry out the continuing attack on customers. The part of your brain that could possible act nice has been closed off forever (as in D.Trump).There is no "cool factor" with Win8. There is only a big fat factory of "uncool factors". When I lean back, to do my very laid back computing, then I cannot reach the touch screen, if I even had one. If my touch screen had a ring tone, it would be "You can't touch this" by the Hammer guy.And even if upgrading were necessary, upgrading from Win XP via VISTA via Win7 to Win8 is by and large impossible, because has anyone of you EVER upgraded from just one to the next without problems? No one that I know. With making 3 jumps your chance for troubles are 179% or more. Why would anyone want to do that, when the completely uncaring and incapable behavior of "software engineers" will not ever allow it?

 

[cat1092]

If MS wants XP users to upgrade, then drop the NX & PAE CPU requirements. There are some XP users who has good hardware & doesn't want Linux, though that is still a better option than running an unsupported OS. Had MS not had this requirement with Windows 8 (they didn't enforce it with the 1st Consumer Preview, teasing potential customers), many would have moved forward, especially for $40 during the promo. Being that there's none of that resource hogging Aero crap in Windows 8, if they pass it on to Windows 9 (plus remove the PAE/NX), many XP powered computers could easily run Windows 9. However no matter what, some die-hards will remain loyal to XP. Loyalty can be a good thing, but to a 13 year piece of software is carrying the term too far. Especially if that person plans to be on the Internet. It will end up being that ISP's will be the enforcers, requiring it's customers to run some form of supported OS to prevent service outages. This is reasonable after one year of being out of support, because severely infected computers can affect us all, as some of the same code in Windows 8.1 predates XP. Someone will have to make a move for the safety of everyone on the Internet. Cat

 

[thebrickhouse]

I hate articles and topics like this, because there is nothing you can possibly say in these comment sections that find any middle ground. The two indisputable facts: 1. Microsoft produced an operating system that tried to mix a smartphone/tablet/touch interface with a desktop predominately controlled with a mouse and keyboard. 2. The overwhelming rejection of Windows 8's Metro UI has been by home users, and most businesses running XP/Vista/7. I don't hate Windows 8, the operating system. I hate its user interface. A few questions I wish all of you Microsoft apologists would honestly answer, is if Windows 8 is so good, why does Microsoft even bother acknowledging Windows XP users? If it's so great, why do they still have a significant amount of people running XP? If it's so great, why don't I have this overwhelming sensation to go out and buy a new machine running Windows 8? If it's so great, why am I running Ubuntu? Nobody is forcing Microsoft to support Windows XP, and I'm pretty sure most people who have old hardware already know it's old. Whether you like it or not, Windows XP users have the right to use XP for as long as they want to. Who cares? Leave them alone. Seriously, get over yourself, and get a life. Bottom Line: If Microsoft wants to truly fix this "problem" they apparently have, give us the option for a "classic desktop" environment in Windows 9. The solution just might be this simple.

 

[Morbus]

I hate articles and topics like this, because there is nothing you can possibly say in these comment sections that find any middle ground. The two indisputable facts: 1. Microsoft produced an operating system that tried to mix a smartphone/tablet/touch interface with a desktop predominately controlled with a mouse and keyboard. 2. The overwhelming rejection of Windows 8's Metro UI has been by home users, and most businesses running XP/Vista/7. I don't hate Windows 8, the operating system. I hate its user interface. A few questions I wish all of you Microsoft apologists would honestly answer, is if Windows 8 is so good, why does Microsoft even bother acknowledging Windows XP users? If it's so great, why do they still have a significant amount of people running XP? If it's so great, why don't I have this overwhelming sensation to go out and buy a new machine running Windows 8? If it's so great, why am I running Ubuntu? Nobody is forcing Microsoft to support Windows XP, and I'm pretty sure most people who have old hardware already know it's old. Whether you like it or not, Windows XP users have the right to use XP for as long as they want to. Who cares? Leave them alone. Seriously, get over yourself, and get a life. Bottom Line: If Microsoft wants to truly fix this "problem" they apparently have, give us the option for a "classic desktop" environment in Windows 9. The solution just might be this simple.

There's nothing you need to say! Everyone running XP will find themselves totally screwed in a few weeks. They will be wishing they had listened to those who know better.

 

[FD2Raptor]

I hate articles and topics like this, because there is nothing you can possibly say in these comment sections that find any middle ground. The two indisputable facts: 1. Microsoft produced an operating system that tried to mix a smartphone/tablet/touch interface with a desktop predominately controlled with a mouse and keyboard. 2. The overwhelming rejection of Windows 8's Metro UI has been by home users, and most businesses running XP/Vista/7. I don't hate Windows 8, the operating system. I hate its user interface. A few questions I wish all of you Microsoft apologists would honestly answer, is if Windows 8 is so good, why does Microsoft even bother acknowledging Windows XP users? If it's so great, why do they still have a significant amount of people running XP? If it's so great, why don't I have this overwhelming sensation to go out and buy a new machine running Windows 8? If it's so great, why am I running Ubuntu? Nobody is forcing Microsoft to support Windows XP, and I'm pretty sure most people who have old hardware already know it's old. Whether you like it or not, Windows XP users have the right to use XP for as long as they want to. Who cares? Leave them alone. Seriously, get over yourself, and get a life. Bottom Line: If Microsoft wants to truly fix this "problem" they apparently have, give us the option for a "classic desktop" environment in Windows 9. The solution just might be this simple.

When your comment specifically ask the "Microsoft apologists" to answer, you come across as either fanboying or trolling.When you follow up with "If it's so great, why am I running Ubuntu?", it just serve to confirm people's doubt whether you're one of the above or both.So frankly, I'd suggest you change your language if you really want to engage in either a conversation or debate.

 

[InvalidError]

There's nothing you need to say! Everyone running XP will find themselves totally screwed in a few weeks. They will be wishing they had listened to those who know better.

People who still have PCs running XP are not screwed at all: they can still continue running it as normal, just without any more security updates. If they have a broadband router, use Firefox or Chrome instead of IE, keep plugins updated or at least disable them unless absolutely necessary, that takes care of something like 99% of infection vectors that matter as long as the rest of your LAN and any disks, USB keys or other storage device you might pop in it are also infection-free.

 

[masteroftheuniverse]

Yes, Windows 8 really IS that bad, I didn't spend $5000 on a high end desktop so it can look like a phone. Windows 7 shouldn't still cost $100 or more if it wasn't selling 5x as fast as Windows 8 to this day.

 

[airborne11b]

Everyone screaming that Windows 8 is horrible are simply tech-illiterate.

Windows 8 is just Windows 7 with a better start menu and some optional* tablet friendly windows apps.

Yes, Windows 8 really IS that bad, I didn't spend $5000 on a high end desktop so it can look like a phone. Windows 7 shouldn't still cost $100 or more if it wasn't selling 5x as fast as Windows 8 to this day.

Look at this guy for example. He can't even write a coherent sentence. It's no surprise that Windows 8's new start menu confuses him so much.

 

[canadianvice]

Well, the trouble is that computers need to get better and faster; to do that, they need to be improved and eventually rendered incompatible. MS should not have to support such an old operating system for so long. The whole problem is not that we want you to have to waste your precious monies on a new computer, but rather that we don't want you do be a problem for the rest of us. Continuing to run XP contributes to botnets, spam, and in large businesses massive data breaches - or at least, it almost certainly will given the ripe target it presents.

There's free stuff out there if you want it. Make that work. Put in the effort - because frankly, if your XP system is a botnet because it gets compromised, you're no better than the "Vaccines cause autism" morons. It's fine if you don't want to pay to upgrade your hardware, but the fact is things will likely get out of your control soon enough with infections and the like, and I don't want your $300 useless computer to be responsible in any way for ruining the one I lovingly keep upgraded and maintained.

If you maintain your PC shouldn't you be protected?

In all fairness, you are right, MS shouldn't have to support an old OS, even if your desktop still works fine but can't upgrade to a secure OS. There is also no reason for anyone not to try Linux out because it's available and while it may or may not support all your drivers, ect.. you should at least manage to get onto the internet with it and you can run XP offline (pull out the ethernet cord if you need to) for all your peripherals that Linux doesn't support. There's lots of youtube videos on how to use Linux and again there's no reason that someone on XP that doesn't want to buy a new desktop can use Linux. If your hardware is good enough you might notice a huge difference in speed depending on how your XP is set up and your hardware capabilities.

But well like W98, there's some hardcore XP users who won't budge off of it. Then again i wonder if some already plan on getting a new computer a week before MS pulls the plug on XP. Some people do want to get whatever they can out of it before upgrading. Hopefully they have been searching so they don't get stuck with something they don't want or they find out most of their software/hardware is incompatible, ect...

Just because it's inconvenient for someone to have to update their OS or upgrade their hardware, what right does that give them to become a problem for the people who've invested in their systems?

Sure, I can deal with viruses. I don't have the capacity to deal with spambots, DDOS' on the games I built my computer to play or my data being compromised on the servers of third parties who simply do not want to upgrade because of some app they need.

The fact is that while this can happen with any computer, using one that is no longer receiving updates that will render an AV and many security measures moot is just being negligent. That's all there is to it.

It's the same view I have on smokers, it's fine, as long as I don't have to put up with breathing it in.

 

[canadianvice]

Everyone screaming that Windows 8 is horrible are simply tech-illiterate.

Windows 8 is just Windows 7 with a better start menu and some optional* tablet friendly windows apps.

Yes, Windows 8 really IS that bad, I didn't spend $5000 on a high end desktop so it can look like a phone. Windows 7 shouldn't still cost $100 or more if it wasn't selling 5x as fast as Windows 8 to this day.

Look at this guy for example. He can't even write a coherent sentence. It's no surprise that Windows 8's new start menu confuses him so much.

In their defense, "better" is extremely subjective. I'm tech literate, and it comes down to this:
Yes, I can use the start screen. It's OK. But realistically, for what I prefer to do, the Start menu is far more useful (though I admit the SS is great on my SP2). That's difference of opinion, don't talk down to people for it.

I also don't like having all the extra crap on my system - I had no need for or desire for metro. It's just space on my HDD. That said, if they're complaining because some menus or something are changed, have at it. That's just stupid.

 

[Morbus]

There's nothing you need to say! Everyone running XP will find themselves totally screwed in a few weeks. They will be wishing they had listened to those who know better.

People who still have PCs running XP are not screwed at all: they can still continue running it as normal, just without any more security updates. If they have a broadband router, use Firefox or Chrome instead of IE, keep plugins updated or at least disable them unless absolutely necessary, that takes care of something like 99% of infection vectors that matter as long as the rest of your LAN and any disks, USB keys or other storage device you might pop in it are also infection-free.

Oh, how wrong you are.

Have you ever heard of a zero-day exploit? Yeah... That.

Everyone screaming that Windows 8 is horrible are simply tech-illiterate.

So off. I say that anyone who doesn't think Windows 8 is horrible is tech-illiterate. That's not to say that tech-illiterates will always like Windows 8, many will hate it, but Windows 8 is a serious downgrade in usability and power in comparison to Windows 7. You do need to know what you're talking about to notice it, so tech-literacy does play a role here, but it's the other way around of what you're saying.

Windows 8 is just Windows 7 with a better start menu and some optional* tablet friendly windows apps.

See? You're tech-illiterate and have no idea what you're talking about. Good day.

 

[InvalidError]

Have you ever heard of a zero-day exploit? Yeah... That.

How does your zero-day exploit get on a PC? It does not. Not on its own.

Many ducks need to line up in a row for zero-day exploits to actually be successful. For browse-by exploits, the first of those steps is actually getting your targets to visit compromised sites distributing your infected content. The second one is that said visitor needs to be using a browser that is compatible with your exploit - if your exploit only works with IE, people using anything else are safe regardless of OS patches. If your exploit requires specific plugins to be successful, said plugins need to be installed and enabled. Etc.

 

[daemon8]

Hate to say it but...Windows 8 sucks ass. It's just Windows 7 with a bunch of crap added that you don't need and slows it down.

 

[FD2Raptor]

Hate to say it but...Windows 8 sucks ass. It's just Windows 7 with a bunch of crap added that you don't need and slows it down.

Now this is just outright lies.

 

[thebrickhouse]

When your comment specifically ask the "Microsoft apologists" to answer, you come across as either fanboying or trolling.When you follow up with "If it's so great, why am I running Ubuntu?", it just serve to confirm people's doubt whether you're one of the above or both.So frankly, I'd suggest you change your language if you really want to engage in either a conversation or debate.

As far as my language is concerned, I think my language was pretty clear when I stated "I don't hate Windows 8, the operating system. I hate its user interface." I'm not being a fanboy or trolling. I stated 2 facts that were absolutely true. Yes, I personally am not a fan of Windows 8 by any means. I liked Windows 7. Windows 7 worked for me, but I have issues when Microsoft just decides to leave that OS out to dry, tries to force something that isn't for everybody on everybody, and tells me I need to change. As far as "Microsoft apologists" are concerned, it's those same people who get on these forums, and talk ridiculous trash. As far as having a conversation goes, I addressed those people with questions of my own. You can like them or hate them, but the real answers speak for themselves. Therefore, just like I said, leave them alone. Microsoft fanboy articles like this who address specific users, in this case XP, are not needed. "I hate articles and topics like this, because there is nothing you can possibly say in these comment sections that find any middle ground."

 

[canadianvice]

Continuing to run XP contributes to botnets, spam, and in large businesses massive data breaches - or at least, it almost certainly will given the ripe target it presents.

Tons of computers get compromised even while running fully upgraded OS and software due to unsafe computing practice by whoever is located between the keyboard and chair. It is unlikely any amount of security software and patches will ever prevent that.

The bulk of infections come in through browser and plugin flaws so simply using Firefox or Chrome instead of IE. Simply keeping those updated, disabling unnecessary addons when not needed and putting the PC behind a NAT router takes care of pretty much all common exploits.

The only times I have ever had a virus or other junk on my PC was due to running questionable code from questionable sources.

Have you ever heard of a zero-day exploit? Yeah... That.

How does your zero-day exploit get on a PC? It does not. Not on its own.

Many ducks need to line up in a row for zero-day exploits to actually be successful. For browse-by exploits, the first of those steps is actually getting your targets to visit compromised sites distributing your infected content. The second one is that said visitor needs to be using a browser that is compatible with your exploit - if your exploit only works with IE, people using anything else are safe regardless of OS patches. If your exploit requires specific plugins to be successful, said plugins need to be installed and enabled. Etc.

The major problem I see is that it is going to be easier because 99% of the population still uses IE. I only managed to persuade my family to switch a year ago, and only by installing and switching before they figured it out.

I think there's a significant overlap of people who don't know what they're doing and people still running XP. Some companies will certainly still do it based on hardware compatibility and the like, but the majority of people who don't have a resident IT probably just don't want to spend the money.

End result is these systems will be easier to compromise, there's a vector to do it by, and methods will only get more sophisticated for compromising XP computers, especially once they can reverse engineer MS patches for other systems.

Now they become a problem for me. One more spam message. One more computer in a botnet.
Sure, W7/8 can be as well. It's just not as easy. I maintain that XP usage is still largely out of negligence.

Edit: Toms, will you fix your darn forum thing? It should:
#1. Jump to the entry field when you've quoted someone
#2. Not double or triple quote them

 

[tygrus]

Windows 8 is for the people who only use one app on the computer at a time and use two fingers to hunt and peck the keyboard. Change is not the problem it's the fact that: they often remove functionality and usability before replacing it with something and the replacement is typically only partially completed. Rushed to market with not enough testing, not enough engineers and too many "..hay look at that pretty cloud .." PR bunnies who think distractions will hide the faults.

 

[LinuxXcommand]

Well, some will convert to Linux

 

[canadianvice]

There's nothing you need to say! Everyone running XP will find themselves totally screwed in a few weeks. They will be wishing they had listened to those who know better.

People who still have PCs running XP are not screwed at all: they can still continue running it as normal, just without any more security updates. If they have a broadband router, use Firefox or Chrome instead of IE, keep plugins updated or at least disable them unless absolutely necessary, that takes care of something like 99% of infection vectors that matter as long as the rest of your LAN and any disks, USB keys or other storage device you might pop in it are also infection-free.

Well, some will convert to Linux

Well, frankly, if people weren't so averse to change, the moment they figured out that they could have linux with no viruses that would still let them on facebook and look up cat videos, they'd be happy.

Well, netflix could be an issue too... but honestly, Linux is great if you don't need to do configuration - if you do, it's a massive pain in the ass.

 

[smeezekitty]

I wouldn't bet on it considering what W8 did

 

[Haywood Udume]

I don't like to be the one to state the obvious, but maybe it is needed - Ever since the move to the "NT" OS format, Microsoft releases a good OS every other release.....and businesses are on to this cycle.Win2000 - good. ME - bad. XP - good. Vista - bad. Win7 - good. Win8 - ???See? It isn't that hard.

 

[Guest]

Hey DOGS, be willing to learn the NEW TRICKS ! When my XP PC died the new one I bought in a rush had VISTA installed. I found myself realizing many of the printed and blogged of difficulties of being lost instead of in the comfort-zone of 'knowing my PC'. I had lost a friend. I resented MSFT and made inquiry and prep to return to the 'known'. One advantage to being retired (and at times the regret) is time on my hands. Several marathon trial and error sessions, buoyed by coffee, strong drink, and forum visits, I found my way to all the tasks, tweaks, and personalizations I thought had been lost. It was ACTUALLY EASIER, and I found myself venturing into areas of PC awareness I thought was reserved to the gurus with the pocket-protectors. I still have VISTA (after 5 yr.s and haven't bothered to 'improve' with 7, 8, or 8.1 , but ... with my MB and HD in the old-age realm, another PC is close at hand, and I'm looking forward to 9 , and without apprehension.

 

[Guest]

Hey DOGS, be willing to learn the NEW TRICKS ! When my XP PC died the new one I bought in a rush had VISTA installed. I found myself realizing many of the printed and blogged of difficulties of being lost instead of in the comfort-zone of 'knowing my PC'. I had lost a friend. I resented MSFT and made inquiry and prep to return to the 'known'. One advantage to being retired (and at times the regret) is time on my hands. Several marathon trial and error sessions, buoyed by coffee, strong drink, and forum visits, I found my way to all the tasks, tweaks, and personalizations I thought had been lost. It was ACTUALLY EASIER, and I found myself venturing into areas of PC awareness I thought was reserved to the gurus with the pocket-protectors. I still have VISTA (after 5 yr.s and haven't bothered to 'improve' with 7, 8, or 8.1 , but ... with my MB and HD in the old-age realm, another PC is close at hand, and I'm looking forward to 9 , and without apprehension.

 

[windows migration]

Time for migration as there is an end of support in april

 

[egilbe]

Windows 9 better be dramatically easier to move from XP than Windows 8 is, or no one is moving. Older people do not care about the "cool" factor. They want something that is easy to use, easy to learn and works, unlike that have baked beta called "modern UI"