[SOLVED] Windows boot time increased.

[PratHat]

So it has been like 2 weeks after I built my pc. At first windows booted in like 10 seconds but now for the last few days it has been taking like 20 seconds to boot. Any ideas to fix it?

 

[kerberos_20]

disable apps/services on startup, things like steam can slow down your bootime
task manager -> startup
items listed there will have startup impact reported so u can disable those which are slow to run

 

[PratHat]

disable apps/services on startup, things like steam can slow down your bootime
task manager -> startup
items listed there will have startup impact reported so u can disable those which are slow to run

Yeah i've already done that. Adjusted virtual memory too but still no effect. According to cmd the ssd speed shows as advertised but for some reason boot time has increased.....

 

[Karadjgne]

Nothing to fix. When you first added windows, it was bare. Nothing in it, minor processes and start up/stop services etc. Over the last 2 weeks there's been a major Windows update, multiple security updates, games, theme changes, all sorts of general bs software code added to the Windows start procedure, the most of which is a serious amount of changes to the Registry. To say you've doubled all that Windows has to deal with isn't that far of a stretch.

Most I'd do is download CCleaner from piriform.com. Run its default clean-up tool to clear out the mess of temp and stay resident files created by all those downloads, then run the Registry tool to clean up all the Orphans and dead ends created by those temp files and installation procedures. Run them back to back a few times to catch everything. Say YES to registry backups, just in case. Then make a restore point.

 

[Colif]

That depends. is it an ssd or nvme. The speed to start on my pc is the same as it was when win 10 was just installed. Bios screen, flash of screen, logon screen. If I trusted Win 10 autologin to not stuff up, boot would be instant.

While the start up programs can slow down the process after logon, the speed to load desktop isn't affected greatly by start up programs. Drivers can do more to that. SO check you have newest chipset drivers and it should look after itself.

not ccleaner, on a new install, it can uninstall things you actually use. You don't need registry cleaners on a brand new install. there is nothing to clean. You actually don't need them at all, most are relics of a past when Windows didn't clean up after itself.

 

[PratHat]

That depends. is it an ssd or nvme. The speed to start on my pc is the same as it was when win 10 was just installed. Bios screen, flash of screen, logon screen. If I trusted Win 10 autologin to not stuff up, boot would be instant.

While the start up programs can slow down the process after logon, the speed to load desktop isn't affected greatly by start up programs. Drivers can do more to that. SO check you have newest chipset drivers and it should look after itself.

not ccleaner, on a new install, it can uninstall things you actually use. You don't need registry cleaners on a brand new install. there is nothing to clean. You actually don't need them at all, most are relics of a past when Windows didn't clean up after itself.

My ssd is Infact nvme. Will try what you suggested.

 

[Colif]

what make/model NVME? if samsung they have their own drivers you can use.

 

[PratHat]

what make/model NVME? if samsung they have their own drivers you can use.

I just checked device manager. According to it, base system device divers are not installed. I take it that that is causing the problem. Am i correct ?
My nvme is crucial p1 500 GB.

 

[Colif]

I just checked device manager. According to it, base system device divers are not installed. I take it that that is causing the problem. Am i correct ?
My nvme is crucial p1 500 GB.

what motherboard do you have?

 

[Karadjgne]

If you can, check the partition setup. Windows has a nasty habit of making smaller drives into MBR instead of GPT. This can create havoc with NVMe, as those drives rely on native Windows drivers on a UEFI platform.

If you pull the plug, wait till the pc powers completely off, reset cmos by shorting the jumper pins, then power back up, it'll detect a hardware change and boot you to bios. There, the nvme will be detected by the windows native drivers, but you'll need to change CSM to Enabled, boot as uefi & legacy, ignore anything else. That should get you into windows, but the issue remains, you cannot shutdown power, only reset or CSM will blank the drive again.

Then open a CMD and run Diskpart. It'll show exactly what's up with the drive. It should be boot/active etc. In drive properties it'll say if it's MBR or GPT.

If it's GPT, that's good, but you have other issues, most likely as Colif suggested, related to actual NVMe drivers.

If it's MBR, you'll need to make a bootable usb drive that includes a free copy of partition magic, and reboot to that, then convert the c drive to GPT.

 

[xX_noob_Xx]

The simplest way to check is boot your pc into safe mode, where only the bare bones of the Systems required services and programs are loaded. And another way of making sure no charge is left stored up in your Motherboard is by unplugging and holding the power button for 15-45 seconds (depending on motherboard), if the motherboard has any lights on it then it can be an indicator you have drained all left up charge.

 

[PratHat]

what motherboard do you have?

MSI h410m pro-VH

 

[PratHat]

If you can, check the partition setup. Windows has a nasty habit of making smaller drives into MBR instead of GPT. This can create havoc with NVMe, as those drives rely on native Windows drivers on a UEFI platform.

If you pull the plug, wait till the pc powers completely off, reset cmos by shorting the jumper pins, then power back up, it'll detect a hardware change and boot you to bios. There, the nvme will be detected by the windows native drivers, but you'll need to change CSM to Enabled, boot as uefi & legacy, ignore anything else. That should get you into windows, but the issue remains, you cannot shutdown power, only reset or CSM will blank the drive again.

Then open a CMD and run Diskpart. It'll show exactly what's up with the drive. It should be boot/active etc. In drive properties it'll say if it's MBR or GPT.

If it's GPT, that's good, but you have other issues, most likely as Colif suggested, related to actual NVMe drivers.

If it's MBR, you'll need to make a bootable usb drive that includes a free copy of partition magic, and reboot to that, then convert the c drive to GPT.

just checked, its gpt so that's not the problem

 

[Colif]

A bios update could fix it as well. though I wouldn't grab the beta
Download the Intel chipset driver which is under System & Chipset driver
Download Intel management Engine Interface which is under Other drivers
that might also help the boot times - https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/H410M-PRO-VH#down-bios

 

[kerberos_20]

u can try clean boot, see how much time it takes
then keep enabling services/apps on boot one by one until u find that one which hogs your boot time
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...-windows-da2f9573-6eec-00ad-2f8a-a97a1807f3dd

if clean boot will be somewhat still slow, u can try clean your temp and cache folders
temp u can open with win+r keys and type temp then hit enter or press ok, delete whats inside
prefetch u can ope same way, just type prefetch in win+r window, delete all content from there
then do 2 reboots (first boot will be slow as it need to get cached, still much faster then what u get on android when u wipe cache there xD)

 

[Colif]

Is it slow before or after the logon screen?
If before, its likely drivers like these

A bios update could fix it as well. though I wouldn't grab the beta
Download the Intel chipset driver which is under System & Chipset driver
Download Intel management Engine Interface which is under Other drivers
that might also help the boot times - https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/H410M-PRO-VH#down-bios

as they will likely fix this

I just checked device manager. According to it, base system device divers are not installed. I take it that that is causing the problem. Am i correct ?

if its slow after logon and at desktop, then yes, clean boot might help. NVME generally don't get slowed down by loading anything though. It could depend how much ram you have but I used to have more start up programs than I do now, and it made very little difference.

Prefetch is not overly useful on ssd anyway, for same reasons as why NVME aren't slowed by loading things. When you can read at up to 3500mb/s there isn't much that slows you down.

 

[PratHat]

Is it slow before or after the logon screen?
If before, its likely drivers like these



as they will likely fix this



if its slow after logon and at desktop, then yes, clean boot might help. NVME generally don't get slowed down by loading anything though. It could depend how much ram you have but I used to have more start up programs than I do now, and it made very little difference.

Prefetch is not overly useful on ssd anyway, for same reasons as why NVME aren't slowed by loading things. When you can read at up to 3500mb/s there isn't much that slows you down.

it is slow before the logon screen. Updating the drivers rn. will let you know if it fixes things.

 

[kerberos_20]

it is slow before the logon screen. Updating the drivers rn. will let you know if it fixes things.

clean boot wont help with loading circle, pretty much this part is mostly hardware <-> driver talk, borked bios can sometimes slow it down aswell

 

[Colif]

if those drivers don't help,

Can you download and run Driverview - http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/driverview.html

All it does is looks at drivers installed; it won't install any (this is intentional as 3rd party driver updaters often get it wrong)

When you run it, go into view tab and set it to hide all Microsoft drivers, will make list shorter.

Now its up to you, you can look through the drivers and try to find old drivers, or you can take a screenshot from (and including)Driver name to (and including)Creation date.

upload it to an image sharing website and show link here

All I would do is look at driver versions (or dates if you lucky to have any) to see what might have newer versions.

 

[PratHat]

if those drivers don't help,

Can you download and run Driverview - http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/driverview.html

All it does is looks at drivers installed; it won't install any (this is intentional as 3rd party driver updaters often get it wrong)

When you run it, go into view tab and set it to hide all Microsoft drivers, will make list shorter.

Now its up to you, you can look through the drivers and try to find old drivers, or you can take a screenshot from (and including)Driver name to (and including)Creation date.

upload it to an image sharing website and show link here

All I would do is look at driver versions (or dates if you lucky to have any) to see what might have newer versions.

Thank you mate, I think I know the problem now, riot vanguard might be what's slowing down the boot time. Still I would like your opinion so here is the screenshot. Please check it and tell me what might be the problem.
SCREENSHOT-> https://ibb.co/R41XLgy

 

[Colif]

Valorant slowing down boot... well, it causes all sorts of errors but it would be a first. Its mainly an anti cheat engine, I would be surprised.

Every time i run driver view it never shows me dates, I wish my system was like yours lol.
rgb drivers getting old but there might not be a newer version of it. Nothing you can do about it anyway.

Nothing obvious jumps out at me on system

 

[Karadjgne]

Ugh. My daughter just installed Valorant on my pc, it's much better than her laptop, and Vanguard is a nuisance that keeps blocking odd things from loading. It's like an anti-virus on crack. And it takes a reboot to reactivate if you disable it, which is necessary to play the game. As an anti-cheat thing, it's a little over the top to have it mess with a pc as deeply as that when the game isn't even running.

 

[Colif]

Yes, i remember it from last year. I had hoped it had gone away but clearly not.
I used to define it as malware, if it wasn't needed I would remove it.

 

[PratHat]

Ugh. My daughter just installed Valorant on my pc, it's much better than her laptop, and Vanguard is a nuisance that keeps blocking odd things from loading. It's like an anti-virus on crack. And it takes a reboot to reactivate if you disable it, which is necessary to play the game. As an anti-cheat thing, it's a little over the top to have it mess with a pc as deeply as that when the game isn't even running.

Well atleast cheaters are getting caught due to its help...

 

[Karadjgne]

Not sure if Valorant is as popular as CSGO was in its prime yet, but I do remember that it did not need such aggressive, deeply rooted malware that affects the pc outside of the game. Vanguard should not be stopping my other programs from loading files. It happens mostly right after I boot the pc.

Vanguard says 'hey, we stopped this file and this file and this file from loading, aren't you happy?' No, I'm most definitely not. Because my pc is for more than just playing your silly little game.

A fly will eventually get caught by a flyswatter, I don't need someone to bulldoze the house and then claim "Well we got the fly didn't we!"