Windows Vista Ultimate Hands On: A Diary

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I'm sorry if I offend anybody here, but once the DIARY GUY went to "classic gui" I quit reading the article basically. I wanted to go to the conclusion so fast my head spun before I could click on post to forumz. Low and behold....I'm not the only one who cared he back pedalled a few OS's ago (see very first reader post). I will not take any insight from his article I thought to myself.

I still love THG tho...and will overlook their goof on wasting bandwith by it.

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i know i'll move to vista at some point, but if a computer is running well there's no need to change.
Never change a running system. At least that´s what i´ve been taught.
Are you kidding? There are many reasons to change your existing system, even if it runs Windows 98/2000/XP just fine: New features, performance, etc.
If you drove a 1976 Dodge Dart for the last 30 years, and it runs just fine, do you think you'd ever upgrade it? Or get something new just because you're bored with the same old thing?


I guess we have a slightly different definition of a "running system". That´s my mistake though.
If you need the new features or more performance, you don´t have a "running system" anymore since its functionality isn´t enough anymore. What that saying basically means is, that upgrading just for the sake of upgrading is nonsense. I hope that clarifies what i was trying to say. :)
 
Okay, so take away the eye-candy, and it runs no differently than XP? Same features? Thanks, but I think I'll save my $250 until I am forced to use it because software developers stop supporting XP--like that's going to happen anytime soon...

I'm really disappointed--after all the buzz about Windows "Longhorn" starting a few years ago--then to know that Vista is basically just a trumped up version of XP requiring at least a 128 MB accelerated video card and 1 Gig of RAM? Seriously, this thing is stupid.

I'm curious to anyone that has used the beta release thus far--would you really say it's worth the money if you're already using XP Pro? Anything good about it that you can't get in another OS?
 
I wonder if this is related to the free laptops people were given by Microsoft to generate positive publicity... those were Acer's as well... I won't trust any reviewers using one of those kits, smacks too much of payola.
 
I would only switch to vista when some game I want requires Dx10.

I don't need 1 GB ram and 15 GB HD space to make a word document, or do a file search, or see this forum. Striped of eye candy and a lot of services it still takes 300~400 MB ram. just running a mmc takes 72 MB, 40 Mb an Iexplore. That's ridiculous.

Functionality? Let's see... Integrated DVD recording? I have nero. Bitlocker? I have the old encryption system. Heck, even a rar with password is better! mmmm... folder previews? antispyware? eye candy? gadgets? Speech recognition? (it's fun but not necessary)

The only thing that would make me switch is Dx10... Or the enhanced speed and compatibility with Dual Core. Can't think of any other thing now. Any good feat that makes you switch? Besides Dx, of course.
 
How can he do a thorough analysis of Vista if he reverts the OSes interface to classic view, rather than offer thoughts on the new tools/features in the default configuration?

I can appreciate that he might be an "old dog" and that learning new tricks maybe difficult for him, but he should really return Vista's interface features to their defaults before he offers continuing discussion on how much he likes or dislikes Vista. The layout and features of the start menu alone are FAR better than the classic (OLD) start menu.

I will check back in with his next entry, but I doubt I will continue reading his article if he continues trying to make Vista look/run like WinXP. Perhaps he should write a diary on how to use Windows XP instead...

And even though this post was slightly negative, I still wish him and everyone a HAPPY NEW YEARS and best of luck in the future!

Does it really matter? It doesn't function any differently than XP except use up more system resources. I don't want to spend an extra $300 on a video card and $250 on a 2 GB dual-channel RAM kit just to run the OS with the eye-candy enabled. I'm glad that he enabled classic view--made it very clear that whoever is using Win XP should stay with it because except for DX10, there's no advantage to switching to Vista.
 
Not only is it just a trumped up version of XP, it doesn't have any steroids to offest the extra system resource hogs.

I tried installing the newest Gigabyte motherboard drivers for Vista yesterday. Chipset, sound, LAN, and SATA/RAID support drivers all BSOD'd after install. Every one of them. Had to go back to last known good configuration to boot for each of them. Can't remember the last time I had a BSOD on XP.

Sure, someone will say to blame the driver manufacturer. However the fact remains that driver support is taking longer than it should, and even then it's hit and miss because the OS is hard to support.

I can think of a lot better things to spend my $ on. Vista = crapola.
 
Had to go back to last known good configuration to boot. Sure, someone will say to blame the driver manufacturer. However the fact remains that driver support is taking longer than it should, and even then it's hit and miss because the OS is hard to support.
Please keep in mind that Vista is NOT released yet. Those of you who are using Beta or RC versions, remember that they are not final versions. Vista RTM has been released to specific Vendors and large Corporations. Vendors are still creating and fixing bugs in their drivers. Yes, I blame the manufacturers, but the fact is that Vista is still new, and unreleased yet. Remember when 2000 came out? None of your 98 drivers worked with 2000 either. Vista is as much a change from XP as 2000 was from 98.
 
I have heard the M$ has locked out the antivirus vendors (cept for some news about Panda) and that has me concerned.
especially with all Micro$oft's security flaws

aside from that, VISTA is set up to blcok any software that is deemed illegitmate. who determines what is legit? Micro$oft, of course. VISTA might also decide that your version of the OS is illegitmate when you change a hard drive or video card or two
 
Please keep in mind that Vista is NOT released yet. Those of you who are using Beta or RC versions, remember that they are not final versions. Vista RTM has been released to specific Vendors and large Corporations. Vendors are still creating and fixing bugs in their drivers. Yes, I blame the manufacturers, but the fact is that Vista is still new, and unreleased yet. Remember when 2000 came out? None of your 98 drivers worked with 2000 either. Vista is as much a change from XP as 2000 was from 98.

Vista is nowhere near as big a change as 2000 was from 98 (First off, they weren't even in direct upgrade paths, so there isn't really a comparison, but just for fun, lets do it anyway). If you want a valid comparison, you should do 98 to XP (almost the same as I have listed below), or 2000 to XP, or even NT4.0 to 2000, all of these would be better than 98 to 2000 (since one was for home, and one for business).

Windows 2000 added a new Filesystem over 98, Vista does not.Windows 2000 went from DOS based to NT based, XP to vista is still NT based.Windows 2000 added security to 98, Vista will add security to XPWin2k added multiple user profiles, Vista continues with multiple user profilesWin2k added a new desktop look, Vista adds a new desktop lookWindows 2000 required completely new drivers from 98, so does VistaWin2k was a MAJOR stability upgrade, Vista may (arguably) add stability to XP, once drivers are worked out, but so far my experiences and those of others don't leave me very enthused.Windows Vista adds a lot of multimedia support to XP (non-media center versions), Windows 2000 did not.Windows Vista adds support for DX10, Windows 2000 uses the same DirectX as 98

I am sure there are a few things I missed here, and I think it would be great for people to update what I missed, but after looking at the list, I am really wondering what differentiates Vista from being just a new interface designed mainly for home users (WinME anyone?)
 
Vista is nowhere near as big a change as 2000 was from 98 (First off, they weren't even in direct upgrade paths, so there isn't really a comparison, but just for fun, lets do it anyway).
Your comments are humorus. Yes, there was an upgrade path from 98 to 2000, though nobody did it because a reinstall was the only sure way that your system would be stable. I agree that nobody should upgrade to 2000 from 98, but MS did provide a way to do it.
If you want a valid comparison, you should do 98 to XP (almost the same as I have listed below), or 2000 to XP, or even NT4.0 to 2000, all of these would be better than 98 to 2000 (since one was for home, and one for business).
Windows 2000 was targeted at the business market, but was adopted by the Retail market almost immediately. Everyone wanted to upgrade to 2000 because of it's stability, and it's DirectX performance. While both 98SE and 2000 ran DX, 2000 did it flawlessly, and 98 crapped half the time. 2000 was not just a Business OS. My remarks referred to the differences in drivers between 98 and 2000. Notice that I do not mention Windows ME because I don't consider it a valid option as an OS. Nobody does....
I am sure there are a few things I missed here, and I think it would be great for people to update what I missed, but after looking at the list, I am really wondering what differentiates Vista from being just a new interface designed mainly for home users (WinME anyone?)
While I don't disagree with your list of comparitive features, one thing that I see as a huge improvement is the deployment of Vista. It no longer requires a DOS type installation mode. This was completly done away with. Vista actually boots from DVD with a Win32 GUI capable of loading device drivers using high level devices such as USB, CD, etc. In XP/2003 you still need a floppy to do that because it's the only device that the BIOS natively loads in mem, and what works in DOS.

Yes, I know, I'm about to get a response from someone saying, "But Dade, XP doesn't have DOS." Yes, I know it doesn't run on DOS, but it's installer is a DOS level app that is less then desired.

Also, No, Vista is not just targeted at home users. There are 5 or 6 versions of Vista, with different features geared toward different markets. There are Business and Enterprise versions, as well as Ultimate that will be marketed toward Businesses. Vista Home Basic, Premium and Ultimate are marketed at home users. There are really incredible advancements for companies with Vista. Group Policy has been rewritten to include policies for almost every concievable situation. You can lock down access to a device by group, which you still can't do correctly in XP. IE: USB storage devices. Business Desktop Deployment coupled with SMS are awesome. The installation of Vista is image based, so that you can make a simple edit to your corporate image to add a device driver for new hardware, instead of having to rebuild the entire image again like with XP.

I can't believe you compare Vista with ME at all. It is not a re-branded copy of XP. It bears more resemblance with 2003 server, then it does with XP. It's Kernel source is built on the last version of 2003, plus all new stuff.

I have heard the M$ has locked out the antivirus vendors (cept for some news about Panda) and that has me concerned.
To clear this one up, it is true that MS refused to allow vendors direct access to kernel processes. This is because calls directly to your Kernel cause issues if your AV software hangs, or a Virus takes over your AV software. They do provide an API, which gives them access to scan for viruses. I didn't hear anything about Panda, but I know that Trend was the first to have an AV client for Vista. They were actually the preferred vendor for AV software for Vista Beta because their programmers were willing to make it work. Symantec made a stink about not being able to call Kernel processes anymore and refused to participate in the beta program. I think they may have a working client now, but last summer, they released a statement that said that they would have a client out by the time Vista hits the Retail market, and that they would not support Vista Beta. Also, E-Trust, AVG, and many other AV companies already have clients that work with Vista. Symantec is the only one that seems to be lagging behind.
especially with all Micro$oft's security flaws
aside from that, VISTA is set up to blcok any software that is deemed illegitmate. who determines what is legit? Micro$oft, of course. VISTA might also decide that your version of the OS is illegitmate when you change a hard drive or video card or two
There is 1 flaw so far with Vista, and you actually have to have control of the local system to exploit it. A patch was already released for it. Microsoft doesn't decide what apps are legit and allowed to run, and what ones aren't. In Vista, they are all blocked, unless you allow them to run. That includes other Microsoft software.
From what I understand, Vista's Activation is very similar to XP. If you change some hardware, you may have to call MS to get them to reactivate it.
 
Had to go back to last known good configuration to boot. Sure, someone will say to blame the driver manufacturer. However the fact remains that driver support is taking longer than it should, and even then it's hit and miss because the OS is hard to support.
Please keep in mind that Vista is NOT released yet. Those of you who are using Beta or RC versions, remember that they are not final versions. Vista RTM has been released to specific Vendors and large Corporations. Vendors are still creating and fixing bugs in their drivers. Yes, I blame the manufacturers, but the fact is that Vista is still new, and unreleased yet. Remember when 2000 came out? None of your 98 drivers worked with 2000 either. Vista is as much a change from XP as 2000 was from 98.

While I'm using RC1, the truth is that Vista was released in December '06, just not to the general public. As a MS Partner and business owner I could pay for Vista Ultimate now, I just prefer not to. I really think the differences between the final release and RC1 are trivial, but that remains to be seen.
 
You'd be wrong. The differences from RC2 to RTM were quite significant. All of the above said, would I try to convince my CIO that we needed to do an upgrade? Nope. When we do our next hardware refresh, maybe.

I will try to convince the CIO that we need a 50 seat license, for trial, and I think we'll get that approved.
 
You'd be wrong. The differences from RC2 to RTM were quite significant. All of the above said, would I try to convince my CIO that we needed to do an upgrade? Nope. When we do our next hardware refresh, maybe.

I will try to convince the CIO that we need a 50 seat license, for trial, and I think we'll get that approved.

If they are indeed that significant, I'll get a copy or 2 for testing. Honestly, you're the first person that I've heard say that much has changed even since beta 2. I sure didn't see much from beta 2 to RC1. 🙂
 
If they are indeed that significant, I'll get a copy or 2 for testing. Honestly, you're the first person that I've heard say that much has changed even since beta 2. I sure didn't see much from beta 2 to RC1. 🙂
I've been saying that the differences between Beta, RC and Final are significant all along in this thread. As a MS partner, depending on your status, if you participate in Volume licensing, you can get Business and Enterprise versions of Vista now. I know that all the versions will be released on Jan 30th, so I guess we all will see then. I saw a huge difference from RC1 to RTM, and all my comments related to Vista are from using Vista RTM.
 
I congratulate you sir, as you were smarter than I. You had figured out that you should stop reading my post, WAY before I decided to stop reading the pile of worthless drivel put on display before us all. If only I could get the minutes it took for me to read through this heinous review. ARGHHH! I mean, personal blog... :twisted:
 
I congratulate you on having the will power not to put your company's name, contact info, etc. on your post. Or else such a lengthy reply about how you do business would just be viewed as a shameless plug for your company.

I have never said that I like or dislike Vista. I only state that in order to offer a fair comparison/opinion, a person should use it fully before putting out a blog about it, as this author is doing. If I was writing the article, I would be putting all sorts of "factuals" in for you so you can make up your own mind whether or not Vista is a usable product.

As for yourself, since you have used it 3 whole months now, go ahead and use the classic interface. Question: What are you going to do when the next WinOS comes out and the "classic" interface is the same as Vista's current default? Will you revert to it?

As far as your superior "classic" negotiation speed, I am not even going to get into a "my p3nis is bigger than your p3nis" conversation with you. I will just let you believe you are the fastest classic view monger in the world...

FYI:

Debate: a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints or opinions

Sounds like we are debating to me... :lol:
 
Funny, a lot of people said the same thing about windows xp when it came out. Yet M$ was still able to make some money off of it somehow...
 
Changing Vista to the classic interface is stupid - especially for a review site. Why not just stick with XP? If you don't like the Vista interface, use it and tell us why.

Obviously, the GUI is meant to enhance the user experience. Otherwise, Microsoft, Apple, Linux, and everyone else would have stuck with command-line interfaces.

The article should be called "How I Turned Vista Into XP: Stop Reading Now".
 
If you read my other quotes, you will see that it matters to me (and a lot of others) because we want to hear about the total package. Not someone's ability to revert the new OS back to a previous build's interface. Mainly I deal with having to support a wide array of platforms, specifically M$ since they are the most prevalent. As such, I need to know how to get around in the OS in its default configuration.

I do not want to reconfigure a person's interface when i go to fix their system each and every time someone calls. And I also encourage my end users/customers to utilize any new feature that comes standard with an OS, because OS manufacturers typically design their newer products to enhance productivity (typically) and if they learn it, they will benefit from it.

Again, to defend the author, this is just a PERSONAL BLOG. It should not be viewed as anything but. Anyone thinking otherwise is a complete tool!
Did I get that right Slog?

Anyhow, I only come back because after lunch, I need a little verbal sparring to get my mind back into high gear...
 
Before the author tries to rip you a new one, you should know that this is not a "review" but instead a personal blog on how this individual decided to utilize a Vista installed laptop he received from M$. If you are looking for a review, then go somewhere else, you tool! Did I get it right Slob?

(Just so you know, this is a running joke. Don't take offense. Just using your post as a conduit to continue the harassment.)
 
If you are looking for a review, then go somewhere else, you tool! Did I get it right Slog?
I think it's funny how the Author(Slobogob) is calling the readers of this review, err, blog, no, diary, (yeah, that's it,) a tool.
Welcome to THG's new policy. Insult your readers. They'll keep coming back for more......

:idea: Why don't you write a real REVIEW about Vista, it's features, etc.
 
... And I also encourage my end users/customers to utilize any new feature that comes standard with an OS, because OS manufacturers typically design their newer products to enhance productivity (typically) and if they learn it, they will benefit from it.

Sorry, I just had to comment on this.

From a support standpoint, I do hope you are kidding. When I did support, (and for that matter, pretty much anyone else I know in that realm), NEVER recommended users use new features until they were thoroughly tested and proven to work correctly. Otherwise, you have total chaos from a support standpoint.

Consider this:
Every time a new IE version (a "feature" according to MS), numerous web applications that users rely on for their daily tasks stop functioning due to new "security fixes" or "improvements".

Plus, many new features aren't worth a damn to begin with, such as standby and hibernation (they work now, but how many revisions did they have to go through?).

At one time, automatic updating was also considered a new feature, if not properly managed, it can also be a support persons nightmare.

This just lists a few, but I think everyone gets my point. I strongly urge everyone to thoroughly test Vista and all of its features with all of their apps before blindly recommending that users take advantage of them, based on the word of the manufacturer that the feature is an improvement (we have all seen our share that are not).
 
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