[SOLVED] Would a I5 3570K benefit from a ram speed and capacity upgrade?

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Hello gentlemen, i just want to ask if i could see a performance uplift if i upgraded from 8 gigs of Kingston Valueram 1600mhz to 16 gigs of something speedier?
The reason i'm even asking is because the 3570K is quite a old CPU and intel in general has not been very picky about slow ram

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POTTU98 said:
Hello gentlemen, i just want to ask if i could see a performance uplift if i upgraded from 8 gigs of Kingston Valueram 1600mhz to 16 gigs of something speedier?
The reason i'm even asking is because the 3570K is quite a old CPU and intel in general has not been very picky about slow ram

Cheers for reading
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Try and think of it like this. The system RAM is already so much faster than all the other parts of the PC that the increase in performance would be tiny at best.
Its sort of like Sonic the Hedgehog racing a bunch of humans. He's already massively faster and he will get even faster than that if you give him the right shoes but its not going to change the fact that he is going to win every time.

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If you use a lot of tasks simultaneously, yea. Do you get close to using the current 8Gbs? What do you use it for?
But it'll be marginal. Won't be a game changer. A SSD, even a simple one, would probably makes things much speedier. Do you have your OS installed in a HDD or SSD?
Also the fact that you could use this SSD on a new computer, however these old memory sticks would probably only slow down a newer CPU you might acquire in the future.
 
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POTTU98 said:
Hello gentlemen, i just want to ask if i could see a performance uplift if i upgraded from 8 gigs of Kingston Valueram 1600mhz to 16 gigs of something speedier?
The reason i'm even asking is because the 3570K is quite a old CPU and intel in general has not been very picky about slow ram

Cheers for reading
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alceryes said:
What do you do that you need a performance uplift in?
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Well, the OS is installed on a HDD (altough it does not seem that slow, the pc starts in about 10 seconds)

And i would just like to get a bit of extra perfomance in games like GTA V, especially when its running in the backround and slows the entire machine to a crawl
 
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Tenn01 said:
If you use a lot of tasks simultaneously, yea. Do you get close to using the current 8Gbs? What do you use it for?
But it'll be marginal. Won't be a game changer. A SSD, even a simple one, would probably makes things much speedier. Do you have your OS installed in a HDD or SSD?
Also the fact that you could use this SSD on a new computer, however these old memory sticks would probably only slow down a newer CPU you might acquire in the future.
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Seems that i have to make this into a seperate reply, so as i said, the OS is installed on a seemingly speedy HDD, i do not know if im getting close to the 8 gig limit but im also wondering if the ram speed boost would help this aging CPU.

That said... my RX 580 is almost always at 100% while the I5 is at 80% So i dont know if the I5 is struggling that much
 
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If you're running out of RAM and it's using slower resources, you'll get additional performance with 16 GB of RAM. The speed isn't a big deal really and if you're not using more than 8 GB of RAM, you likely won't get much from faster RAM.
 
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This is a print from HWMonitor on my RAM usage. I have 16Gb installed. I peak at 55% even when playing games while having lots of things open. Maybe you could let the HWMon running while you play and see if GTA uses a lot of RAM. The amount each person uses is very different. If it doesnt, might not be worth the upgrade

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I mean, your CPU accepts DDR3 1333/1600. So I assume you're using 1333. The jump from 1333 to 1600 won't be a phenomenal upgrade. Marginal at best.
The fastest HDD you could possibly find is still mechanical. The cheapest SSD you can afford is very very likely to be much faster.

My 2 cents? I'd save the money and upgrade the CPU/MOBO/RAM at a later moment.
 
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Tenn01 said:
This is a print from HWMonitor on my RAM usage. I have 16Gb installed. I peak at 55% even when playing games while having lots of things open. Maybe you could let the HWMon running while you play and see if GTA uses a lot of RAM. The amount each person uses is very different. If it doesnt, might not be worth the upgrade

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I mean, your CPU accepts DDR3 1333/1600. So I assume you're using 1333. The jump from 1333 to 1600 won't be a phenomenal upgrade. Marginal at best.
The fastest HDD you could possibly find is still mechanical. The cheapest SSD you can afford is very very likely to be much faster.

My 2 cents? I'd save the money and upgrade the CPU/MOBO/RAM at a later moment.
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Ah yes but upgrading the platform is not really an option, as im saving up for my first car at the moment, and i have my main computer at home for the heavy lifting (I use this computer when i live in the school dorm from mon to fri)

Altough that CPU upgrade could be interesting, as the I7 could actually benefit from the ram as its a faster part. but alas, the 3rd gen (at this point about decade old) I7's are still weirdly expensive.

Now the question is, should i upgrade the ram for when i find a deal on a 3770K?
 
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POTTU98 said:
Hello gentlemen, i just want to ask if i could see a performance uplift if i upgraded from 8 gigs of Kingston Valueram 1600mhz to 16 gigs of something speedier?
The reason i'm even asking is because the 3570K is quite a old CPU and intel in general has not been very picky about slow ram

Cheers for reading
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Try and think of it like this. The system RAM is already so much faster than all the other parts of the PC that the increase in performance would be tiny at best.
Its sort of like Sonic the Hedgehog racing a bunch of humans. He's already massively faster and he will get even faster than that if you give him the right shoes but its not going to change the fact that he is going to win every time.

The last couple generations of Ryzen CPUs have made a big difference so having faster memory with them really helps but anything older won't see it.
 
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I have a bunch of systems from this era and bumping up to 16GB definitely helped with countering OS bloat. Whether this helps or not with your particular problem would remain to be seen, but I know it won't hurt. Not to mention this ram is starting to become more rare so better to get an upgrade now before stuff gets even more rare.
 
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Geef said:
The last couple generations of Ryzen CPUs have made a big difference so having faster memory with them really helps but anything older won't see it.
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I'd also like to add that our memory capacity leaped a league in the past couple years while our usage didn't. I mean - what percentage of users actually require 64Gb of RAM?
 
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Tenn01 said:
I'd also like to add that our memory capacity leaped a league in the past couple years while our usage didn't. I mean - what percentage of users actually require 64Gb of RAM?
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It's actually just a carryover from what was available in workstations even many years ago. The use of ecc has allowed udimms to get bigger where in the DDR3 days, they were limited to 8GB modules unless you wanted to go with ecc reg modules which are available up to 32GB/ea and even 64GB/ea if you get LRDIMMs.

If you're running virtual machines, you can eat up 64GB very quickly. 128GB is pretty much the starting point if you want to do a lot of virtualization. I think my most loaded up servers has 288GB of ram and my most loaded up desktop has 256GB of ram, with most others hitting 128GB or at least 96GB.
 
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SamirD said:
It's actually just a carryover from what was available in workstations even many years ago. The use of ecc has allowed udimms to get bigger where in the DDR3 days, they were limited to 8GB modules unless you wanted to go with ecc reg modules which are available up to 32GB/ea and even 64GB/ea if you get LRDIMMs.

If you're running virtual machines, you can eat up 64GB very quickly. 128GB is pretty much the starting point if you want to do a lot of virtualization. I think my most loaded up servers has 288GB of ram and my most loaded up desktop has 256GB of ram, with most others hitting 128GB or at least 96GB.
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True. But its a tiny minority of power users/specific tasks that require so much. I mean - even for modern gaming you`ll struggle to use whole 16Gb. I see people investing so much for 32 or even 64Gb without realizing they hardly use 10Gb
 
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SamirD said:
I have a bunch of systems from this era and bumping up to 16GB definitely helped with countering OS bloat. Whether this helps or not with your particular problem would remain to be seen, but I know it won't hurt. Not to mention this ram is starting to become more rare so better to get an upgrade now before stuff gets even more rare.
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Good point, there is a reason probably why all of the gaming windows 10 computers come with 16 gigs now
 
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Tenn01 said:
True. But its a tiny minority of power users/specific tasks that require so much. I mean - even for modern gaming you`ll struggle to use whole 16Gb. I see people investing so much for 32 or even 64Gb without realizing they hardly use 10Gb
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The average user isn't a lamer gamer--lots of business applications like Excel can eat this memory whole.

If I was building a new system, I'd get nothing less than 32GB. If it's a power system, 64Gb or 128GB for sure. But if I really needed power, it would be a dual cpu workstation off lease that I'd load up with 512-768GB of ram--all costing the same as new 'gamerz' system today.
 
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Run this and post a link to the results page.
PC Benchmark
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Okay I say this a lot, but don't use userbenchmark. They are insanely biased against AMD and their benchmarks won't even test your computer fully. Userbenchmark - the April Fools that never ends - YouTube
If you're serious about benchmarking get 3DMark, it's free on Steam and it's the industrial standard for benchmarking. Try Cinebench too if you want.
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Well, the OS is installed on a HDD (altough it does not seem that slow, the pc starts in about 10 seconds)
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you won't know how fast an SSD is until you've tried it. I'd personally prioritize a SSD over 16GB of RAM.
 
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Howardohyea said:
Okay I say this a lot, but don't use userbenchmark. They are insanely biased against AMD and their benchmarks won't even test your computer fully. Userbenchmark - the April Fools that never ends - YouTube
If you're serious about benchmarking get 3DMark, it's free on Steam and it's the industrial standard for benchmarking. Try Cinebench too if you want.

you won't know how fast an SSD is until you've tried it. I'd personally prioritize a SSD over 16GB of RAM.
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I don't use UBM to read their opinion.
The benchmark is quick and easy to run.
It test a few different areas and gives some info.

If I want to compare pc parts I'll read what UBM has to say and then look at what other review sites have to say.
 
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