Would you buy next gen ATI card if...

[barnettgs]

Let say...

If next-gen ATI card (R42x) rated maybe 5% or 10% lower than Geforce 6800 in many reviews, would you still buy it?

I know this may be a silly question but the reason is to do with Geforce 6800 being horny with more power. So are you willing to fork out more money for 450 Watt PSU if you are going to buy Geforce 6800?

 

[scottchen]

Umm, you should reverse that question, power supply isn't a great concern, a decent 350watt will run it. The major concern here would be PS3 support, let's say if the Nvidia 6800NU's slightly slower than the X800Pro, then which would you buy, it's slower but it has PS3.

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[GeneticWeapon]

Unless R420 is alot faster then NV40...I would take the NV40.

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[scottchen]

Is PS3 the main reason?

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[GeneticWeapon]

That's part of it. I've alway's liked nVidia board's.

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[barnettgs]

Hmm, I have been reading somewhere in this forum about the power supply requirement for Geforce 6800.

To be honest, I think it's a major concern since so many computers are sold with low PSU rating of maybe 300 watts and it is hard to find such good quality PSU, let alone finding 430 or 450 Watts!

Technical geeks knows about PSU but we got to remember that not many people knows much about computers.

 

[dhlucke]

People with sub 300W PSU's are OEM customers from Dell and the likes and they're screwed. Nonetheless, anyone that can afford to drop $500 on a videocard can afford to drop some more money on a PSU.

Most of us here will be fine with our PSU's. I'm hoping at least. I'm waiting for a Guinea pig to try out the card on the same line with both molex connectors.

As far as the question I'm getting whichever is faster unless it's not priced competatively. If it's 5% faster but $100 more then I'm not buying it.

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[barnettgs]

I'm sure there are millions and millions of computers out there that have around 300 watts PSU while only few computers have over 350 or 400 watts so looks like Gefore 6800 doesn't have a large market to sell?? Because I know computer shops don't sells computer with any higher than 300 or 350 watts as it is just enough to power everything execpt gefore 6800...

 

[barnettgs]

Here is one of the examples that cannot be ignored...

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=395691#395691" target="_new">http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=395691#395691</A>

 

[Vimp]

People with sub 300W PSU's are OEM customers from Dell and the likes and they're screwed. Nonetheless, anyone that can afford to drop $500 on a videocard can afford to drop some more money on a PSU.

So if someone saves their money for a year to buy a $500 videocard then they must have $80+ just lying around simply because they managed to save that videocard money up for such a long time? I think not. Besides any $500 videocard will be half that 6 months later, where as a high-end PSU ain't going to be dropping much at all in that time. So essentially even those that can fork out only $250 for a videocard will also need that same highend PSU.

I have a (name-brand) L&C 350W PSU that came with my 18" case for a total of $39 Canadian and my 5900XT is demanding just a bit more juice then my PSU can handle when under heavy load. So theres no way I'll be able to handle a 6800 Ultra.

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[scottchen]

Well most of the customers who have purchased their comp from where i work, who purchased a 9800pro, uses the Sparkle 300watt psu, and it handles p4 well, recently i've just built one with a P4 2.8E yes the power+heat monster prescott, with Radeon 9800 AIW, 1G of generic ram, 2x160G hdd, dvd writer, and dvd rom. All that he had on one of our Sparkle 350watt psu, and it's running fine.

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[TheRod]

All that he had on one of our Sparkle 350watt psu, and it's running fine.

I really do think that PC shops should put a 350Watts PSU (real 350Watts) in new PC. The overall system price will not be much higher (10-20$) and this would reduce call to support for unexpected PC crash, PSU death, etc...

But, when you pack a PC like the one you talk about with load of power hungry stuff, you can put a 350 Watts PSU and hope it will not die and survive the torture. Putting a 400 Watts PSU is probably cheaper than having to loose time/cash/productivity because on day 1 you bought a 10-20$ cheaper 350Watts PSU.

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[TheRod]

Hardware.fr provide very good info abotu 6800 power requirement, their recommendation are 350 Watts MINIMUM for a system that is not fully loaded. They concluded that 400Watts+ PSU are required only for fully loaded system. The 6800 need "only" 10Watts more power than 5950 cards.

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[CaptainNemo]

Sparkle is an outlet for FSP though, so their 350w PSU will be capable of coping with much more than a generic costs-almost-nothing PSU.

If the R42X is not significantly slower than the 6800 (i.e. 5-10% slower), then it might be worth buying for noise/power/heat/slot reasons. It's all about priorities in the end.

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[Slava]

Unless R420 is alot faster then NV40...I would take the NV40

Amen to that.

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[hogfather]

This is so dumb. Not many people even know their PSU Wattage, and if it doesnt work on their pc - they'll be a bit confused. Why dont they just provide an ac plug to put in your power socket multitap? then there isnt a problem

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[Slava]

This is so dumb. Not many people even know their PSU Wattage, and if it doesnt work on their pc - they'll be a bit confused. Why dont they just provide an ac plug to put in your power socket multitap? then there isnt a problem

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[CaptainNemo]

Yep, I have no idea why PCs are still designed to power all of the components from one source; a dedicated PSU for the video card (and possibily other components) would make much more sense.

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[scottchen]

The reason we're not using 400watt is because the sparkle 350 has got a very very low return rate. Now US-CAN is a different story, 3/4 we sold got returned, that's why we stopped getting them.

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[Mind_Rebuilding]

Later we may need a separate plug for video card......

As power requirement increases, eventually a computer will need to have a dedicated power supply.

 

[cleeve]

An AC adapter would have been pure genius.

Didn't 3dFX do that a long time ago with one of their early VIVO cards?

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[jihiggs]

As power requirement increases, eventually a computer will need to have a dedicated power supply.

uhh, might want to rephrase that and say what you meant.

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[Guest]

Wasnt he Voodoo 5 with 4 Gpu was suppose to come with an AC adaptor?

Im wondering what my PC would think of the 6800 Im pretty sur it cant handle it with my TruPower 380Whatt.
3Hd, 2 opticals, Oced cpu and video card I really dont think it can take more altough its running fine right now...

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[barnettgs]

Hardware.fr provide very good info abotu 6800 power requirement, their recommendation are 350 Watts MINIMUM for a system that is not fully loaded. They concluded that 400Watts+ PSU are required only for fully loaded system. The 6800 need "only" 10Watts more power than 5950 cards.

Well, I have taken out a part from Tom's Hardware Geforce 6800 Conclusion:

To those of you ready to camp out in front of your store to get your hands on one of these cards - be warned! The first barrier on your way to graphics ecstasy is the power requirement calling for a PSU with at least 480Watts.

480W Thermaltake PSU from one of UK's cheapest computer store costs around £60 (equals to about $110 for US) but I don't know if it is good PSU.

But if the performance of ATI's next gen card is about equal to Geforce 6800 and requires the same amount of power as 9800XT then it would be a clear winner!

 

[kinney]

The 6800U isnt far off from the 9800XT to be honest. <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040414/geforce_6800-19.html" target="_new">link</A>

I really think the 480w power requirement is counting in all the crappy PSUs out there. I'm going to try a quality 350watt (without lots of system devices of course).. basically I think any PSU that will power a 9800Pro/XT will power a 6800 Ultra.

Thats just my 2sense.
But NV has to make sure its stated, because they really dont have a choice. I feel to cover the systems with lights, tons of 10k rpm SCSI drives in raid array, extra cd drives ect.


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