X800XL vs. 6800GT

Guest · Mar 17, 2005

Nah, no x-exam here, just plain curious. Actually I had wanted to originally go that route, but it's just not realistic for me. Bought my first house about a year ago and I live in CA. Lets just say that houses cost a tad more than $925 in this part of the country

Honestly tho, if I had the cash to play with freely, I would probably have gone that route. All else aside it's probably the best option performance wise ATM, even if everyone says it's a waist money wise. I just have to be real "efficient" with my spending right now.

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Guest · Mar 17, 2005

Oh, and lay off the caffeine a little bit, it'll kill you

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GAME · Mar 17, 2005

sorry man, it was just a preemptive strike (i kinda do things GWB style)
you caught the clack clack clack! of the cross fire

but i got both cards for $375 a piece (BFG 6800GT OCs) and the motherboard for $175

i kinda wish i'd waited for the DFI.. but this is a nice board, and my 2nd choice after the DFI
asus is a great, trusted brand.. and its rock solid

its just a shame i can only pull 2.45-2.5ghz out of my CPU.. i think the motherboard is at fault.. but asus engineers emailed wesley fink at anandtech the other day and said they'd have a new bios out this week that makes it highly competitive against the DFI.. so we'll see.

i think overclocking is a lot mroe than just bios updates, ie. component quality/board design.. which i think DFI knows best.. but we'll see if they can pull a little bit more out of this Asus

i'd recommend it, esp if you get it cheaper than most SLI boards like i did (at the time at least)

Guest · Mar 17, 2005

Since I can't go SLI, I opted for the DFI ultra-d board. It got great reviews everywhere I read, has nice OC potential and some great features, so we'll see when I get it

BTW, I do enjoy reading GrapeApes' and your threads/replies. Lotta info there.

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cleeve · Mar 17, 2005

NV is without question superior in OGL.. but just because that is true does NOT make ATI take home the gold in DX!

Far from it, they are about equal on driver performance in DX.
NV does exceptional in HL2/FC/UT..

Um... I don't know how to tell you this, but have a look at the benches dude.

You take an Ati card VS it's competing Nvidia card in the same price category, and the Ati card will take the HL2, Far Cry, and UT wins.

It's not a bias, it'a a fact. Have a look at the benches.

And if he was to go PCIE, its not X800XL all the way.. what if he had a SLI NF4? I think from personal experience my 2x 6800GTs blow poo out the tailpipe all over a X800XL..

2x 6800GTs are not in the same price category as the X800 XL.

That's like saying "Ati is better because the X850 XT beats the 6600GT!". They're not competing products. They're not in the same price category. Just like the X800 XL doesn't compete against two 6800GTs.

You don't see the people you've branded as Ati-fanatics comparing the X850 XT to a 6800GT. Yet you compare a single card that's less than half the price of a dual solution?

What are you smoking? Do you have to strive that hard to find an excuse to buy an Nvidia branded product?

If a person can get 85% the performance of $650 of Nvidia hardware with a $300 Ati purchase of an X800 XL, it's retarded to advocate the nvidia solution. (and that's not even including Nvidia's $50 SLI mobo tax)

Kinney, man... you have to realize that not everyone has unlimited funds. Price is THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR for MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET.

You're going to have to understand that before your advice becomes useful to more than the 0.5% of people with an unlimited budget.

Nvidia had their day with the 6600GT and 6800GT, but Ati is the sleeping Giant that's been awoken this time around. Ati has reclaimed the $200 and $300 price points with the X800 and X800 XL.

Nvidia will respond with better products at those price points in about 6 months, and the cycle will continue.

P.S. And an FYI, X800's and X800 XL's can be had for MSRP EVERYWHERE now. They've delivered, they're in stock, and they're selling.

If you're really interested in buying any, I can list the URLs to online retailers for you.

Oh, and one more thing... in the $200 price category, the vanilla X800 256mb BEATS THE 6600GT in Doom3 when AA and AF are enabled!

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Pep · Mar 17, 2005

Ya, SLI is not really an option for me, as it would not be for most people.

RX8 · Mar 17, 2005

Cleeves correct on hes points.

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GAME · Mar 17, 2005

yeah and its all how to categorize things, but of course when you stack the lines against each other ATI comes out on top lol
you guys did this back in the day too

thing is, for a very long time the ati lineup was hardly even available! then their prices were insane (see x850xt pe@newegg for $1000 even today).. its such a joke.. but now of course when you stack whatever against whatever- ATI comes out on top
oh and SLI has no competitor (due to the fact it destroys ATI) so it "doesnt count" lol

cleeve · Mar 17, 2005

How conveniently you forget that for a long time, this board was unanimously recommending Nvidia cards for those price points (6600GT and 6800GT), while telling people that the X800 XTs and 6800U's were in a dead heat, and it came down to the features people find more attractive - and availability.

As an unbiased board, we recommend the best cards available at a given price point.

Now Ati has the best cards at those price points, so they will get recommended, until Nvidia comes up with the superior product. Which will happen inevitably, regardless of your bias. Just like Ati will inevitably offer better products in the product cycle after that. Ad infinitum, or until one of them is put out of business or bought out by the other.

That's not bias, as you would have people believe. Actually, it's the definition of non-bias. It's capitalism. We don't give a $hit who makes the best cards for the price, we just recommend 'em.

As for you (the only unbiased guy in the world in your opinion) you would have us recommend Nvidia cards all of the time, regardless of their performance relative to other cards. You would have us recommend SLI to casual gamers who only have $200 to spend on a videocard. You would have us tell people that $300 for an X800 XL is a bad investment because they could buy two SLI'd 6800GTs for more than twice the price for maybe a 20%-40% performance boost (if the game happens to support it well).

When the board is recommending Nvidia cards, you whine that we're not denouncing Ati.

When we recommend Ati cards, you cry foul and bias, and fail to notice that we're not denouncing Nvidia.

You cling desparately to a corporate logo that you have somehow linked to your own self worth for reasons I can't even begin to understand. You find it disturbing that another company makes a desirable product, and try to pretend it away by comparing it to a product that flies under your own banner that costs more than twice as much.

You are the worst fanboy ever, dude. Seriously.

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RX8 · Mar 17, 2005

Cleeve yet again nailed it again on the head.

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pauldh · Mar 17, 2005

Yeah, wow, I'd have to agree.

Evidence to this forum recommending the best card at any given time reguardless of brand is in the video card poll. 6800 series AGP leads, followed by the 9800 series. Best buys for their times. If we were all ATI gung-ho, X800 pro would lead this new generation as they have been available from the start. But hey we all said (besides some modders), forget X800 pro...go 6800GT for more performance at the same price.

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GAME · Mar 18, 2005

ya ya ya.. canadians for capitalism.. right!

cleeve · Mar 18, 2005

Nice retort there, Kinney.

By the way, I'm not sure why you don't know this, or how this is relevant to your fanboyism, but we're a capitalist country.

If you're interested in discussing irrelevant information about Canada, here's a historical tidbit for you: the US attacked us once... we chased you back to Washington and burned down the white house. Not being particularly warlike, we then we turned back and went home.

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Rugger · Mar 18, 2005

If you're interested in discussing irrelevant information about Canada, here's a historical tidbit for you: the US attacked us once... we chased you back to Washington and burned down the white house. Not being particularly warlike, we then we turned back and went home.

Don't bash all of us Americans with irrelevant information over one fanboys rants...

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pauldh · Mar 18, 2005

It was in good humor. Replies to Kinney are usually more aggressive, so don't take it personally. He dishes it out, so he gets it back, that's all.

I think it was British and Canadian troops who marched down to the Whitehouse though (not just ticked off Canadians), but we can let them keep their victory dance going. But then again, would they have been part of the States if they hadn't pushed us back? I guess that's reason enough for them to celebrate and write songs. Oh well, i hated history in school, so maybe somebody else should clarify it all. Maybe it was just ticked off Canadians. Thankfully for both Countries we get along like siblings now. 😱

EDIT: OK had to Google this one. The White House was burned down in 1814 and Canada bacame a county when? 1867? So I guess it was British troops and not Canadian troops that chased us back down South, as Canada wasn't a Country yet.

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Edited by Pauldh on 03/17/05 08:29 PM.

RX8 · Mar 18, 2005

oooo GOD thats the funniest thing i have heard today.

canadians kicking ass and burning the white house.

the funny thing about it, its true.

the president now stays at white house number 2. ROFL.

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pauldh · Mar 18, 2005

Hey now, technically we never attacked Canada right? War of 1812 - So when did <A HREF="http://www.infotoday.com/linkup/lud090103-clark.shtml" target="_new">Canada become a Country? 1867?</A> I guess we were just still fueding with the Brits living to out North right? And wasn't it 1947 before you actually became "Canadians", rather than <A HREF="http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-73-423-2428-20/that_was_then/politics_economy/canadian_citizenship" target="_new">Brits living in Canada</A>? Man, I must have just slept through history (ages ago) as some of this seems to be new news to me.

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RX8 · Mar 18, 2005

O well the brits and the french burnt the white house ROFL, yes. (joke dont send the NSA to my house)

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cleeve · Mar 18, 2005

Heheh, you got me on the technicality Paul. but remember, those brits started Canada in the first place, and lived in Canadian land, so it's half true.

Sorry to offend the american folk on the board, not my intention. But kinney dissed my people and I felt it appropriate to respond in kind.

Except for Kinney and the Slinvidiots, you guys are great neighbors.

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pauldh · Mar 18, 2005

No offense taken at all Cleeve. All in good humor. You just made me do a much needed little history lesson. First thing google popped up was some song about you folks burning the Whitehouse. Anyway, Kinney often embarrasses me as a fellow countryman, but he cracks me up sometimes too with the things he will say. I don't take offense to things said to him as since he dishes it out full speed, he certainly asks for retaliation.

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GAME · Mar 18, 2005

No. That was the Brits. Canada didnt exist then.
Its like saying my ancestors that lived in the USA back in 1702.. the USA didnt exist then.

Any history class across the globe will teach you that the war of 1812 was vs the British, not the Canadians..
nice try to ride the accomplishments of the #2 people in the world (after the USA, of course).

pauldh · Mar 18, 2005

but remember, those brits started Canada in the first place, and lived in Canadian land, so it's half true

Well, before that, we just wanted them gone from here so we booted them up to you. Or did we want you gone so we booted you up there? I am so confused. 😱

I should add, you both turned out alright in the end.

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Acert93 · Mar 18, 2005

Both are great cards and perform well. It really comes down to platform and cost.

The one problem I have with recommending the X800XL over the 6800GT--if price being the same--is featureset. SM 3.0 at some point is going to come into play; and while ATi cards since the R3xx days have had Geometry Instancing support in HW, it requires some work around to work in DX9 whereas this feature in the 6800 series is more standard compliant (if that makes sense). And there is also the FP blending which may, or may not, be more effecient in games that take this effect into consideration during development (instead of slapping it on ala FC).

With the race so close between the two cards performance wise I tend to look at the bells and whistles. Now there is a chance that by the time SM 3.0 features arrive the GT may be underwhelming, but then again it may be comparable to the Radeon 9700s/9500s (the first DX9 cards from ATi) that do DX9 very well. We just do not know yet... but it is always nice to get the extras if you can. Just my 2 cents.

Another thing to look at is OCing. I have not followed the XL reviews too much recently (last one I read said they had a hard time getting a 10% OC out of the core), so I am not sure how much it OCs. But my 6800GT (eVGA) OCs from 350 core to 420 core, and 1.0 mem to 1.14 mem no problem. These are above Ultra speeds. I know that the eVGAs and Leadtechs tend to OC well, so that is another consideration.

Now if you can get an X800XL for $300 while 6800GTs are going for $350 get the XL--I would, and I own a GT! $50 is more RAM, a new game, or whatever. You will enjoy that more than the hope of maybe, someday, getting better features that may, or may not, perform well.

Either way both cards are great so do enjoy!

TheGreatGrapeApe · Mar 18, 2005

First of all remember there's a difference between becoming a country and being a peoples (see Law Among Nations for that stuff). Canada existed before 1867 but was not a country it was a colony, and as such Canadians existed just not as indpendant citizens.

You know the WhieHouse wasn't always called the White House it was the war and the painting over of smoke and ash marks that earned it the name.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Mar 18, 2005

Well said.

I'm interested in seeing what UE3.0 brings to the table as the next gen cards are supposed to have full FP32-Blending support instead of FP16, also without the legacy support of DX8 and below, this will likely be a true test of whether the benifits pay-off.

I have not followed the XL reviews too much recently (last one I read said they had a hard time getting a 10% OC out of the core), so I am not sure how much it OCs.

Well the X800XL doesn't overclock as well as one might hop but it's not bad (although it is just 12.5% on the core, as always these cards are appearing to benifit most from the memory boosts.

Without any major effor Guru3D got theirs to 450/1200;
<A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/187/15/" target="_new">http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/187/15/</A>

Too bad it wasn't Low-K 110nm, now imagine the 90nm Low-K (probably little OC overhead there too because they'll likely pump as much out of them as they can and still achieve goods yields)

The main thing right now is price diferences, which is why I think the AGP versions will have a tough time since they will be more closely priced, and it'll come down to more of a choice of the applications people use.

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