Xbox 360 Finally Outsells Nintendo's Wii

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[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Do you live in the middle of nowhere? That's about the only explanation I can think of because I could go out and buy 50 Playstation 3's without going more than 15 miles out here in Austin.[/citation]
Actually there is a shortage on the PS3 as they are making a revision on the system.
 
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]not surprised at all because its just sucker...er..i mean xbox users who put up with a failing console and continue to buy replacements knowing they will have to buy a new replacement again down the road.[/citation]

Its actually uninformed reta... erm I mean PS3 only users who have no clue about anything unrelated to their console which makes you not aware that the failing issues from 360s are covered from MS when you will be the onlyone paying for repairs on your console and Sony is very very good from the beginning of time in charging big time for repairing their products. Good luck with that one :) ( I wont give you prices cause due to my job I know very well costs but I rather you get the bill in the face when the time comes 😉 )
 
[citation][nom]Requiemsallure[/nom]don't care, watered down computers...[/citation]

I wouldn't say watered down as much as overly specialized for gaming... unfortunatly that doesn't work too well considering the speed at which tech advances and how long a console has to be out to make a profit. Xbox is still running what DX9?
 
[citation][nom]hillarymakesmecry[/nom]I bet if PS3 didn't have the availability problem right now they'd be selling quite a few more consoles. All of the retailers I know of have empty shelves. Even the online retailers have a wait time.[/citation]

PS3 has been sold out!

wow... at first I thought this is just a rumor..

but after I checked with amazon and new egg... guess that is true, at least for a slim at $299. Amazon does not have any slim @ $299 and Newegg is ETA: 3/17... hmm... why?

production problem? or.. just way too popular?
 
Xboxes will continue to sell as people replace their dead and out-of-warrant units. Most people who have a Wii (myself included) let it collect dust, as most games for it are crap (except the Nintendo ones).
 
[citation][nom]manos[/nom]Its actually uninformed reta... erm I mean PS3 only users who have no clue about anything unrelated to their console which makes you not aware that the failing issues from 360s are covered from MS when you will be the onlyone paying for repairs on your console and Sony is very very good from the beginning of time in charging big time for repairing their products. Good luck with that one ( I wont give you prices cause due to my job I know very well costs but I rather you get the bill in the face when the time comes )[/citation]

Do you really think console users are that smart? Most of the console gamers that I know couldn't live to be without an xbox for the several weeks that it would take to get the xbox repaired. As a result, they bought new xboxes and sold the old one for $100-200 once it got back from MS repair depo.
 
[citation][nom]sliem[/nom]Well of course. All the kids have their Wiis and they got bored with it and it's collecting dust. Now the kids want something that has more value: XBOX360 or PS3. Hm mommy thinks PS3 is too expensive and they never watch or need to watch Blu-Ray... XBOX360 Arcade it is, $150 vs $300-$400.[/citation]
I could go for a PS3. My laptops bluray drive mysterisely doesn't read bluray movies (but it has read a bluray data disc). It's annoying.

Sad on the NDS though. I think there's maybe 1 or 2 games on it worth playing. The NDS lite can be picked for for peanuts though atleast.
I'll stick with my much more expensive PSPgo thank you.
 
I was one of those 422,000 who bought a 360. It was either the 360 or the PS3, but the local big box store had such an awesome deal, a 360 and 5 bundled games for the same price of a PS3 with no games, it was a no brainer decision.
 


I sir, respectfully ask do you have a DS?
 
Wii is a fad (like someone stated already) and it's targeted audience was huge! But when all the ideas for the system have been used and when American Idol starts there goes your targeted audience! 😛

as for the 360, I'm sorry people wasted their money. This is not some fan boy talk (I prefer to build PCs), but now that the ps3 is the same price as the 360, why even buy it?? Sony's system has produced better quality games from the start. Even now, you have heavy rain, final fantasy 13, and god of war 3 coming out. Sure ff13 is on the xbox, bit the majority of the time it's running at 510p (hello hddvd with your 7
gb of memory per disc)

so when you think what console is better, open your mind and let your logic make the choice
 
[citation][nom]Requiemsallure[/nom]don't care, watered down computers...[/citation]
+1 Yup. Though I like the interaction of the Wii I must say...
 
Yes but neither will even come to close to what the PS2 did. The PS3, like the PS2 will have a very long life. It will outlive and outlast Xbox and Wii. The PS3s power has not even been fully utilized yet. Example: Final Fantasy was broken up into multiple discs and was compressed down for the Xbox solely to make more money. The game was able to fit on one PS3 disc. When games come out for both PS3 and Xbox, there is usually a PC version also. Now if I were a publisher, who's business depended a lot on sales of PCS and windows based components, wouldn't I want to help my business by creating better looking games for PC and X box to help my sales while at the same time although still making and selling games for my "buddy's" competition of a lower quality to try and deceive potential system buyers by making them think one system actually looks better than the other. For the first couple years I will admit, the Xbox did have some great looking games. But right now, companies that are devoting all of the resources to developing for the PS3 are being rewarded with outrageous amounts of sales and great looking games, some of which the Xbox cant even compare to in terms of visuals. It seems like the Xbox games really haven't gotten better in visuals where it is clear the 1st party exclusives for the PS3 have gotten better visually and will continue to do so the more they learn to develop for it. Just think what you can do with a 100-200gb BD or even a 400gb BD. the potential is there and it wont be fully realized until many years after the Xbox and Wii are considered antiques. So in the long run, the PS# will surpass the xbox in terms of sales.
 
[citation][nom]Victomofreality[/nom]I wouldn't say watered down as much as overly specialized for gaming... unfortunatly that doesn't work too well considering the speed at which tech advances and how long a console has to be out to make a profit. Xbox is still running what DX9?[/citation]
Yes, the Xbox 360 has been fixed for a modified version of DirectX 9, somewhere between 9.0b and 9.0c. (the latter being what introduced "Shader model 3") The GPU doesn't support anything newer; in part because there wasn't a newer standard available.

GPU-wise, the consoles could be said to be "watered-down."

[citation][nom]not a ps3 fanboy[/nom]Yes but neither will even come to close to what the PS2 did. The PS3, like the PS2 will have a very long life. It will outlive and outlast Xbox and Wii. The PS3s power has not even been fully utilized yet.[/citation]
Actually, it has. Sony grossly over-stated the power of the PS3; it's nowhere near 2 teraFLopS; the Cell Broadband Engine as it appears in the console has a peak theoretical limit of only 185.6 gigaFLopS, less than 1/10th the claim. (though adding the 26.4 GFLopS from the RSX brings it to 210)

Furthermore, the outright DESIGN of the CBE is not something that games can use; the chip has a metric ton of "dumb-yet-fast" math power, with very limited capability to drive it. It works very well in SIMD (single-instruction, multiple data) operations, but poorly elsewhere. Unfortunately, when it comes to CPU gaming needs, SIMD just isn't very high on the list.

The PS3's GPU was made as a 'hybrid' design for a reason; it was intended to run games, but the only REAL application the PS3 would ever see that would use it all up would be playing Blu-ray movies; decoding high-def formats is a VERY intensive SIMD task; so is adding on further filters to give the PS3 its famous high-quality video playback.

[citation][nom]not a ps3 fanboy[/nom]Example: Final Fantasy was broken up into multiple discs and was compressed down for the Xbox solely to make more money. The game was able to fit on one PS3 disc.[/citation]
The number of discs a game makes has no bearing on the "power" of a console; it's just the capacity of its format. FF XIII is huge simply because, like every other top jRPG on the market, >90% of the disc space is eaten up by pre-rendered cutscenes. And on a high-def console... Those are high-def movies. And if it's on the PS3... It's gonna be 1080p, using Sony's own MPEG-4 AVC. So that's gonna be a minimum of 1MB/sec right there, assuming the on-disc videos are at the same level as Sony's downloaded ones. So in the cases where you have Square, which loves to pile on hours of movies in each game, you suddenly NEED a full Blu-Ray disc, since you basically have a high-def movie... With a game attached to it.

As far as "compression" goes, it's an outright lie to claim that the PS3 version isn't compressed; since that 1MB/sec figure is for COMPRESSED high-def video; uncompressed 1080p video, even at 24fps, is over 142MB/sec... That's right, you'd be able to fit a grand total of around 352 seconds on a PS3 disc.

[citation][nom]not a ps3 fanboy[/nom]But right now, companies that are devoting all of the resources to developing for the PS3 are being rewarded with outrageous amounts of sales and great looking games, some of which the Xbox cant even compare to in terms of visuals. It seems like the Xbox games really haven't gotten better in visuals where it is clear the 1st party exclusives for the PS3 have gotten better visually and will continue to do so the more they learn to develop for it. Just think what you can do with a 100-200gb BD or even a 400gb BD. the potential is there and it wont be fully realized until many years after the Xbox and Wii are considered antiques. So in the long run, the PS# will surpass the xbox in terms of sales.[/citation]
Again, disc capacity means NOTHING for visuals; the only games that need more than a single dual-layer DVD have ALL been Japanese RPGs, and have ALL been due to their strange desire to include hours of FMVs, when in-engine cutscenes would've worked just as well for FAR less space, and served as a graphics bragging spot as well.

Also, while there are larger formats for Blu-Ray discs, PS3 games are limited to the 50GB disc. So your claim that it'll be able to do more are moot anyway... Even before one knows that space matters naught for gaming capacity, especially when people on the Demoscene are packing real-time videos into 4KB and games into 96KB. (and they're also doing this with the PS3 itself, with something called ".detuned" available for purchase from the PSN store)
 
I should read more carefully over my comments to make sure I've written everything next time; kinda hard to do in just these little comment boxes. [citation][nom]Victomofreality[/nom]I wouldn't say watered down as much as overly specialized for gaming... unfortunatly that doesn't work too well considering the speed at which tech advances and how long a console has to be out to make a profit. Xbox is still running what DX9?[/citation]
Yes, the Xbox 360 has been fixed for a modified version of DirectX 9, somewhere between 9.0b and 9.0c. (the latter being what introduced "Shader model 3") The GPU doesn't support anything newer; in part because there wasn't a newer standard available.

GPU-wise, the consoles could be said to be "watered-down." They really aren't anything particularly different from PC GPUs; while the R500 used in the Xbox 360 is unique to it, the RSX in the PS3 is well-known to be a cut-down (hence 'watered down') G71. Part of the weakness is mitigated by the fact that the consoles aren't expected to ever exceed either 1280x720 or 1920x1080, while PC gamers may demand far higher... And the fact that the PS3 can't do AA+HDR at the same time is a slight boon for it, since having AA+HDR takes more power than just one or the other.

CPU-wise, the hardware found in the consoles is VERY specialized. As I covered responding to the ironically-named "not a ps3 fanboy," The PS3's Cell is a sort of design that makes little sense for just about anything BUT the PS3; it has a fair enough general-purpose power to handle gaming (though it is NOT particularly stronger than the 360's in that pursuit) it ALSO packs enough raw (but dumb) math power to handle the task of decoding high-def video and making it look good. Those two different capabilities would've cost a lot more to put into the PS3 has Sony taken any OTHER design than the Cell. (as if the PS3 wasn't expensive enough already)
 
[citation][nom]idisarmu[/nom]Do you really think console users are that smart? Most of the console gamers that I know couldn't live to be without an xbox for the several weeks that it would take to get the xbox repaired. As a result, they bought new xboxes and sold the old one for $100-200 once it got back from MS repair depo.[/citation]

The two times I've sent my XBoxes in, which were both launch systems, they had it back in less than a week. Box was shipped out from MS on Monday, arrived Tuesday, shipped system back same day on Tuesday, back on Friday. Haven't had a problem since.
 
The NDP Group release was only for sales in the U.S. market, world wide the Wii still outsold the Xbox by nearlt 2 to 1 in February. Perhaps the title of this piece should be amended to read: "At least in the U.S."
 


speaking of that i am looking forward to how many PS3's will be sold once they release god of war 3 to see how small the gap between xbox and PS3 sales gets.
 



your 1 out of a million man. doesn't mean the other million xbox drones get service. with all the talk i hear over the years that you call microsoft and they do not have any boxes left so those xbox drones have to wait 3-5 more weeks till Microsoft get more boxes in to ship out to them so they cam finally ship ther crashbox back to them. but i had the same experience when i had to get my PS3 serviced. it only took a week and a half for my PS3 to get to the service depot and back to me.
 
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]speaking of that i am looking forward to how many PS3's will be sold once they release god of war 3 to see how small the gap between xbox and PS3 sales gets.[/citation]
In terms of monthly sales, there's a slight chance that the PS3 might take the lead for a brief bit in sales rate... At any rate, it's going to improve on its release; consoles ALWAYS sell better around the time a major "must have" game comes out.

But in all honesty, I don't see it being what would make-or-break Sony's fortune... As a system-seller, I'd think that Metal Gear Solid 4 was the biggest thing the PS3 had going for it, as MGS is a FAR more successful series, selling some 10.7 million copies between MGS2/MGS3 on the PS2 versus 4.4 million for the two GoW games. Similarly, while GoW 3 is gonna sell well, I doubt it'll get as high up the list as MGS4's 3 million, given the drastically smaller installed base of the PS2; I'd estimate by the end of the year it'll have 1.5-2 million copies sold.

The other side of the equation is that one must remember that the PS3 isn't the only console with more major titles coming to it. Microsoft and Nintendo both have plenty of room with more sequels, with the former gearing up to release Halo: Reach, and the latter Super Mario Galaxy 2, both destined to be multi-million sellers as soon as they come out later this year.

So Sony will definitely have some short-term gain, but the open question is whether it'll be something they can hold onto. One must remember that for any console maker, their competitors are NEVER sitting ducks.
 
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