Xbox One Game Discs Only to be Used for Initial Installation

jerrspud · May 22, 2013

Once installed, games are registered and tied to a user’s Xbox Live account. They can be played only by that user and other users in his or her household.
http://news.yahoo.com/xbox-one-game-sales-used-game-policies-know-140553280.html

It going to be just like Dead Space 3. You have to register the game and it will work on consoles in your house. If go to a friends house, the game will only work as long as you are logged onto that system. If you sell the game, a new license will need to be purchased by new owner.

kinggraves · May 22, 2013

Pretty glad I own a Wii U. It isn't pulling any of this crap. Regardless, I've been saying this was going to be the case the entire time. "No smoke without fire", the rumors weren't entirely true, but they weren't wrong either. They don't prevent you from selling games, but they make it more difficult. Forget your selling your own games for a moment, how are rental agencies like Gamefly going to function? I should be able to test out a game before I buy it, and not allowing me to do so shows me how much the industry wants to hide their product until someone drops money on it. They aren't making it always online, but a connection is still required at some point. Even SimCity isn't -always online-, you can be off for like 19 minutes. It's in the wording, folks. The Sony fanboys might want to wait and see as well, because this is what 3rd party publishers are pushing for. Take a moment and think, the two publishers most well known for always on are the ones pledging strong support for the Xbox, Activision and EA. If a company wants to see the next Madden and CoD, they have to get on the DRM train. It isn't going to stop if people continue to follow the herd instead of thinking of the end result of their purchases. I know this system will still sell millions, because big media is putting up a smokescreen thanks to MS influence. Look to any media outlet, Fox, CNN, etc, they LOVE this thing. They want you to love it too. They will NOT put any bad press out for it. The drones that can't think for themselves will eat it up, because they're told it's the next big thing.

Immaculate · May 22, 2013

Xbox makes you pay to use their device online on the internet that you already pay for.. Now this?? 7 years on xbox live cost $350 .. PSN free .. never have and never will buy an Xbox

AM2A · May 22, 2013

I found a little more info about all this.

You can play the games at another house with no fee if you are signed into your profile:
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/

Someone from xbox support is saying on twitter that there is no fee associated with used games:
https://twitter.com/XboxSupport3/status/336937800702238722
I assume the fee is for a new license not the sale or transfer of a previously purchased license, but nobody is clear on the details.

JOSHSKORN · May 22, 2013

So if you want to play your games on a friend's XBOX One, is it possible? Can you simply sign into your account from another XBOX One and have access?

AM2A · May 22, 2013

JOSHSKORN :

That seems to be what Larry Hryb is saying, I don't know how else to interpret it.

SirGCal · May 22, 2013

ubercake :

I had two 690's did a give away for the second one as it just seemed pointless at this point with gaming technology where it is today and run just one now. (Tom's also hosts to my Christmas' core giveaway every year accept this one where the $ for the give away was stolen... freakin thieves ruin everyone's holidays...') Though considering swapping it for a pair of Titans and going back to a different 144Hz 3x monitor setup... But that's another topic. (and waiting on a bonus from work to see if I can pull it off... cause it's not a cheap one and I don't make THAT type of $$$)

Still, so then what would you want a console for either? Or just as a media box. That was my interest also but no .mkv ruins it for me. Something SOOOO simple to include, and FREE for M$, and they blocked it... Really?!? It's an open source container so they don't even have to license it from anyone, even for commercial use. It's also known as the Matroska format. It's actual original design intent was for the ideal streaming container too so you'd think they'd be all over this anyhow.

So, sorry, didn't mean to insult ya. The only people that I know that are still interested in the one still are for the games, but now they're all upset over this thread topic now... All of those that were interested in the media features already have other HTPC options in place which the One just isn't good enough to replace and/or has too many missing features such as .mkv support. If they fixed these issues, I'd be all over it as well as so many of the other people I know. They'd sell fast in this crowd. And not a one would likely play a game with it. (Unless that's why, the cutbacks from game sales and the 'installing' of the games... If they're going to lose all of those, they don't care about those customers... Possibility...)

But... My whole point for that was; I don't play console games because I can't do anything with those stupid sticks. 1) control is crap, auto-aim is for babies and children. But more importantly 2) I have very agressive multiple sclerosis which makes my fine muscle control in my thumbs about as good as trying to shoot pool with a semi truck. Strangely enough I can do keyboard and mouse just peachy but tilting a thumbstick, not a chance. Though I can't walk (use wheelchair) and I'll never feel my newborn child's hands on mine (hands are effectively numb)...

But since you think it was a shot at just the consoles itself... There ya go. This is why I don't game on consoles... But ya, my computer still eats the crap out of what any console could ever dream of doing. I really hate what consoles do to destroy the gaming industry as a whole. I wish there was someway to 'force' a console revival every 5 years at a minimum to keep technology moving... But no, they know they can milk the market for at least 6-10 years so they do.

Ya'll (speaking to everyone) do know, right? That the 'One is already technology that is a few years old already... and it's not even out yet... It might be on a new shrink or a new die but the tech is aging.

At least this time it truly is on a PC platform, maybe that will help games. I just hope they don't do 60Hz locks to all games. That'll just kill me. (144Hz setup, 60 actually gives me migraines, hence all the $ on video power).

ubercake :

Actually, in the world of non-pirate collectors such as myself, I'm considered a newbie. My rather small 3k title collection pales in comparison to what others have. And if this system worked, these guys would be buying this box by the dozens too, no joke...

One of the guys I learned from who is much better off to do then myself, where I have my 8-drive raid 6 setup, has multiple 24 drive raid 60 setups and looking to build more... Where my physical disk collection takes up a wall in the spare bedroom, his takes up a rather large custom library. Granted his salary has a few more zeros then mine also...

Still, the avid collectors that want to have their own portable HD home theater experience, anywhere in the world, at any time, from anywhere, etc. So I can take my phone for example, while I'm at the store, pop it out and watch any of my movies from my device, over my cellular connection, live from my server, instantly (assuming ofcorse I have a connection to my data service, there are sometimes crappy areas). It's great with my twin boys. We were at the doctors and I put on some cartoons in the waiting room to keep them entertained while I filled out the paper work. Ended up entertaining the whole darn room for half an hour...

Life today is about convenience. Even the Xbox One is about convenience. Do everything with voice commands, instantly, etc. Well, granted I'll give ya those of us with 1k+ title library might be the minority as a whole, but we do exist, and we are in the 10's of thousands of individuals and families. The bulk of us do use .mkv as the containers for our video transfers because they were the best (at least when we started doing it long ago) and if I started today and went non-stop and re-ripped everything to a different format, it would literally take years... The whole point is to have everything on a 'click it now and play it now' style. Not 'well we can play it when I get around to re-encoding it to the new format for xbox one'...

At least, at the time, we needed H.264 video with full 5.1/7.1 DTS and PCM or TrueHD Audio formats. .mkv was the only one. As far as I know it still is but there might be new ones now or others might have been updated to conform. Still to convert... Even using my gaming rig it takes about 35 minutes to do your average movie directly from media...

ubercake · May 22, 2013

That's a lot of time.

There's another thing that may hurt the XBOX One that's on the Anandtech site that compares hardware with the PS4. While the PS4 seems to be more powerful, the One will seem to runner cooler and (hopefully) quieter which would be ideal for an entertainment hub. We'll see how it pans out. Hopefully they'll include the MKV format for people like you.

dietrich1 · May 22, 2013

SirGCal :

ubercake :

I had two 690's did a give away for the second one as it just seemed pointless at this point with gaming technology where it is today and run just one now. (Tom's also hosts to my Christmas' core giveaway every year accept this one where the $ for the give away was stolen... freakin thieves ruin everyone's holidays...') Though considering swapping it for a pair of Titans and going back to a different 144Hz 3x monitor setup... But that's another topic. (and waiting on a bonus from work to see if I can pull it off... cause it's not a cheap one and I don't make THAT type of $$$)

Still, so then what would you want a console for either? Or just as a media box. That was my interest also but no .mkv ruins it for me. Something SOOOO simple to include, and FREE for M$, and they blocked it... Really?!? It's an open source container so they don't even have to license it from anyone, even for commercial use. It's also known as the Matroska format. It's actual original design intent was for the ideal streaming container too so you'd think they'd be all over this anyhow.

So, sorry, didn't mean to insult ya. The only people that I know that are still interested in the one still are for the games, but now they're all upset over this thread topic now... All of those that were interested in the media features already have other HTPC options in place which the One just isn't good enough to replace and/or has too many missing features such as .mkv support. If they fixed these issues, I'd be all over it as well as so many of the other people I know. They'd sell fast in this crowd. And not a one would likely play a game with it. (Unless that's why, the cutbacks from game sales and the 'installing' of the games... If they're going to lose all of those, they don't care about those customers... Possibility...)

But... My whole point for that was; I don't play console games because I can't do anything with those stupid sticks. 1) control is crap, auto-aim is for babies and children. But more importantly 2) I have very agressive multiple sclerosis which makes my fine muscle control in my thumbs about as good as trying to shoot pool with a semi truck. Strangely enough I can do keyboard and mouse just peachy but tilting a thumbstick, not a chance. Though I can't walk (use wheelchair) and I'll never feel my newborn child's hands on mine (hands are effectively numb)...

But since you think it was a shot at just the consoles itself... There ya go. This is why I don't game on consoles... But ya, my computer still eats the crap out of what any console could ever dream of doing. I really hate what consoles do to destroy the gaming industry as a whole. I wish there was someway to 'force' a console revival every 5 years at a minimum to keep technology moving... But no, they know they can milk the market for at least 6-10 years so they do.

Ya'll (speaking to everyone) do know, right? That the 'One is already technology that is a few years old already... and it's not even out yet... It might be on a new shrink or a new die but the tech is aging.

At least this time it truly is on a PC platform, maybe that will help games. I just hope they don't do 60Hz locks to all games. That'll just kill me. (144Hz setup, 60 actually gives me migraines, hence all the $ on video power).

ubercake :

Actually, in the world of non-pirate collectors such as myself, I'm considered a newbie. My rather small 3k title collection pales in comparison to what others have. And if this system worked, these guys would be buying this box by the dozens too, no joke...

One of the guys I learned from who is much better off to do then myself, where I have my 8-drive raid 6 setup, has multiple 24 drive raid 60 setups and looking to build more... Where my physical disk collection takes up a wall in the spare bedroom, his takes up a rather large custom library. Granted his salary has a few more zeros then mine also...

Still, the avid collectors that want to have their own portable HD home theater experience, anywhere in the world, at any time, from anywhere, etc. So I can take my phone for example, while I'm at the store, pop it out and watch any of my movies from my device, over my cellular connection, live from my server, instantly (assuming ofcorse I have a connection to my data service, there are sometimes crappy areas). It's great with my twin boys. We were at the doctors and I put on some cartoons in the waiting room to keep them entertained while I filled out the paper work. Ended up entertaining the whole darn room for half an hour...

Life today is about convenience. Even the Xbox One is about convenience. Do everything with voice commands, instantly, etc. Well, granted I'll give ya those of us with 1k+ title library might be the minority as a whole, but we do exist, and we are in the 10's of thousands of individuals and families. The bulk of us do use .mkv as the containers for our video transfers because they were the best (at least when we started doing it long ago) and if I started today and went non-stop and re-ripped everything to a different format, it would literally take years... The whole point is to have everything on a 'click it now and play it now' style. Not 'well we can play it when I get around to re-encoding it to the new format for xbox one'...

At least, at the time, we needed H.264 video with full 5.1/7.1 DTS and PCM or TrueHD Audio formats. .mkv was the only one. As far as I know it still is but there might be new ones now or others might have been updated to conform. Still to convert... Even using my gaming rig it takes about 35 minutes to do your average movie directly from media...

tl;dr

Grandmastersexsay · May 22, 2013

SirGCal :

And that can be a very true statement.

They (corporations) just can't seem to realize, that the reason people do pirate is that they are cut off from cheaper options of purchase. Joe can't afford the latest game for $60-80 (imho, rape prices anyhow too...). He very impatiently waits for it to go to the used bin at his local game store for $40-60 (still too high but, cheaper)... Now not an option he turns to his local hacker for free! Well heck, doing it for one why not every game out there...

And that's how it starts... Sure they'll have some sort of monitoring and /or you'll have to do some sort of console hack just as with the last one but they pretty much tend to be ridiculously simple in the end... Kids especially are smart today. And dangle these games in their faces and they'll then be 'stupid' enough to do it and there ya go. Piracy in motion.

If they just made games affordable and trade-able out of the gate, none of this would even be on the discussion right now... Make them < $40 new and make the disk transferable... Some way to allow friends to trade games for a weekend to try them, etc.

$9/month Netflix did more to curb piracy than any anti piracy campaign ever will.

jdwii · May 22, 2013

The advantages of having a console over a PC is shrinking or at least the xbox one the only thing i can think of is first buying(the console IS cheaper at first until you by the games and controllers), and of course the controller that console fans persist on being better.

hitman40 · May 22, 2013

bllue :

Except PC games are mostly played in isolation (by yourself, and/or online with others) No one likes crowding around your PC with chairs. The advantage to consoles was it being a multi-media system, that you could easily swap games with friends. Now you won't be able to do that because you have to pay to install it on your system too.

nevilence · May 22, 2013

This is a cluster fuck, not only will this ruin the second hand market but think of the directly related drop in business for game retailers, this will effect people too

xelliz · May 22, 2013

nevilence :

Aside from everyone talking about Gamestop, Redbox will have to stop renting games and Gamefly is dead after this.

drakennz · May 22, 2013

Anyone else think that if PS4 goes down a similar path it will push more people back to the PC? I know many people still enjoy gaming in their living room, these days it's not difficult to do that with a PC. I just feel like they're removing one of the few advantages consoles had over PC's, now with the better hardware available in a PC, I don't see how console games are going to compete?

bigpoppastuke · May 22, 2013

Don't use accounts, use the XBOX serial number. That way all accounts on the system can play the game. Seriously, how stupid is Microsoft for that.

g-unit1111 · May 22, 2013

Installation fees for installing a game on a new account or a new XBOX? What a load of crap. My console loving friends wonder why I haven't bought one in years - this is why, it's just greed at this point. Viva Steam!

CKKwan · May 22, 2013

OMG my children, my wives and my in laws are not going to like this!!!!

stevejnb · May 22, 2013

dietrich1 :

Google "humble bundle piracy rate" and click on the first link. A company could release the perfect bloody game that would literally make everyone happy, charge $10, and it would still be pirated up the wazoo.

This whole "oh, we poor gamers are the victims of big evil corporations ruining our gaming - THAT is why we pirate!" is utter BS and I can perfectly understand why gaming companies bend over backwards and do all sorts of irritating things to control the games they sell. The Humble Bundle showed the true colours of gamers, with 25% of the people getting it pirating it rather than pay a single penny, and in doing so, stiffing a host of small time developers.

Really, when the poor gamers pull stuff like that, what do you expect? Let's be honest with ourselves... However much we, as a group, complain and say the companies are the big bad guys, when given the chance, we prove we're every bit as sleazy, greedy, and generally underhanded.

Signed,
Someone who likely won't get an XBOX One until it drops to a very low cost

aggroboy · May 22, 2013

Not that PC is much better. If I buy a game on Steam, I can't bring it to my friend's house to play.

livebriand · May 22, 2013

Don't use accounts, use the XBOX serial number. That way all accounts on the system can play the game. Seriously, how stupid is Microsoft for that.

What if the hardware fails and has to be replaced? On the other hand, you have a valid point with multiple accounts there. I guess Microsoft just forgot that, as usual, DRM hurts the paying users (and turns some of them into pirates), but doesn't do shit to most of the pirates.

hiruu · May 22, 2013

This Wired article was worthless...the disc isn't worthless, since you NEED it in the machine to confirm ownership.

jkflipflop98 · May 23, 2013

aggroboy :

Yeah you can. Login and download it.

iam2thecrowe · May 23, 2013

why don't they go back to rom cartridges, reducing load times and piracy? i'm sure the rom tech nowadays is good enough and cheap enough to hold large capacity.

Immaculate · May 23, 2013

MaCk0y :

I already do this on PS3 and theres no extra fee, also online is free.. so why do people still buy xbox crap? The service and community? The community of raging 12 year olds lol

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