YANI - Date Effects

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roy axenov wrote:

> - oh, and on March 8th female characters should *obviously* get
> some significant boni. I wonder why'd you forget *that*?

And don't for get the 22dn of November. On that day, every piece of food
randomly generated should be a cream pie.

How *could* the Dev Team forget my birthday?

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can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

 

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"Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> writes:

> When *is* Thanksgiving, anyway, and is there any country other than the
> USA which celebrates it?

AFAIK, it is something about the relations between Indians and settlers..
so I don't think it has any significance outside the American continent,
so why would anybody somewhere else celebrate it.

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dogscoff@eudoramail.com writes:
> Boudewijn Waijers wrote:
> > JPD wrote:
> > > [Suggested date effects]
> > [Reasons not to implement suggested date effects]
>
> I'd like to suggest that date effects- or Christmas effects at the very
> least- be added to the "Hardy Perennials" section of the faq.

Hmm. It's not _that_ perennial a topic, I don't think. I'm willing to
be persuaded otherwise, though.

(Alternatively, a separate section on "standard reasons that a YANI is
unlikely to get anywhere", with "too culture-specific" as one of the
reasons, is a possibility, I suppose.)

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Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

> Note also that, in general, the Dev Team seems weary to implement
*any*
> (more) things that are date related. It's just too easy, on various
> platforms, to just change the date to benefit from these date
additions.

A shame, some of these ideas are fairly cool. Maybe they could be
included with a compile-time switch, to make it easier for servers (on
which players cannot monkey around with the day and time) to turn these
things on?

- John H.

 

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On 10 Mar 2005 07:56:23 +0200, Jukka Lahtinen <jukkal@despammed.com>
wrote:

>"Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> writes:
>
>> When *is* Thanksgiving, anyway, and is there any country other than the
>> USA which celebrates it?
>
>AFAIK, it is something about the relations between Indians and settlers..
>so I don't think it has any significance outside the American continent,
>so why would anybody somewhere else celebrate it.

Well, as mentioned above, Canada celebrates it, but at a different
time.

It's basically meant to commemorate the "first Thanksgiving" when the
pilgrims and Native Americans feasted together in peace to celebrate,
well, basically the Indians having bailed the settlers out of dying
horribly of starvation due to not being prepared for farming the new
country, as best I can remember. The natives basically taught the
pilgrims how to correctly fertilize their crops, when to sow the
seeds, when to harvest, etc.

Keep in mind that this is from memory of what I was indoctrinated in
as a young 'un in school, so insert the needed caveats here. (I could
always do research on the web into it... but I suspect that y'all are
probably more interested in the different perceptions in the culture
itself of what the holiday is supposed to mean, rather than a dry rote
recitation.)

These days, the holiday is supposed to be a chance for everyone to
take stock of their life, and give thanks for their various blessings
big and small, yadda yadda. *waves hand* In practice, it's a chance
for people to rejoice getting a day or so off work/school, where
applicable, and to eat lots of turkey and other good foods. Yum.

Laura M. Parkinson

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Probably more to the point, the US Thanksgiving is
a feast of thanks for the harvest, and some such
feast is a part of nearly every culture worldwide. It
just has different names each place it is celebrated.
So, the idea that it is just "some American thing"
misses the wider perspective; such a celebration
has been a part of human culture as long as human
culture has existed, along with a planting festival.

Based on that viewpoint, a harvest festival as a
"time of plentiful food" would work just fine in
NetHack. Now we can go on to fighting about the
correct date on which to celebrate it. Is NetHack
going to have to become Northern versus
Southern hemisphere sensitive?

xanthian.

 

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You missed the point; the seasons are six months out
of synch between the hemispheres, so since we'd
never be able to settle on matching some one
culture's harvest festival date, NetHack would pick
its own. The question then simplifies to: do we
celebrate a harvest festival date in the Northern
hemisphere autumn, September to December, in the
Southern hemisphere autumn, March to June, or make
NetHack hemisphere sensitive, so it "does the right
thing" for both locations?

xanthian.

 

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Kent Paul Dolan wrote:
> Probably more to the point, the US Thanksgiving is
> a feast of thanks for the harvest, and some such
> feast is a part of nearly every culture worldwide. It
> just has different names each place it is celebrated.
> So, the idea that it is just "some American thing"
> misses the wider perspective; such a celebration
> has been a part of human culture as long as human
> culture has existed, along with a planting festival.
>
> Based on that viewpoint, a harvest festival as a
> "time of plentiful food" would work just fine in
> NetHack. Now we can go on to fighting about the
> correct date on which to celebrate it. Is NetHack
> going to have to become Northern versus
> Southern hemisphere sensitive?

You couldn't've possibly heard that old Soviet joke:
"After incorporating all of the minority holidays in
the nation-wide holiday schedule, there are now 412
holidays in a given year".

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Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

> That would be a nice twist, easily implemented, and not very
> unbalancing. There could even be a funny message when you start up
the
> game: "Welcome to NetHack, fool!"...

Maybe there could also be all sorts of references to fools throughout
literary history, such as the one from King Lear, and Falknerian
man-children?

- John H.

 

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Jym wrote:
> As long as you follow them,
> small good things happen (eg following weaponless unrestricted you in
> martial arts (maybe it's too powerful)).

But that would be defeating the purpose of conducts.

 

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"Kent Paul Dolan" <xanthian@well.com> wrote in
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> Probably more to the point, the US Thanksgiving is
> a feast of thanks for the harvest, and some such
> feast is a part of nearly every culture worldwide. It
> just has different names each place it is celebrated.
> So, the idea that it is just "some American thing"
> misses the wider perspective; such a celebration
> has been a part of human culture as long as human
> culture has existed, along with a planting festival.
>
> Based on that viewpoint, a harvest festival as a
> "time of plentiful food" would work just fine in
> NetHack. Now we can go on to fighting about the
> correct date on which to celebrate it. Is NetHack
> going to have to become Northern versus
> Southern hemisphere sensitive?
>
> xanthian.
>
>
Not even hemispherical as Canada has Thanksgiving a month earlier... and I
would say as an educated guess that Europe is the same as Canada.

 

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begin quoting
Laura M. Parkinson <stormfeather@atlanticbb.removeforSPAM.net>:
>It's basically meant to commemorate the "first Thanksgiving" when the
>pilgrims and Native Americans feasted together in peace to celebrate,
>well, basically the Indians having bailed the settlers out of dying
>horribly of starvation due to not being prepared for farming the new
>country, as best I can remember.

.... which in retrospect looks like an unfortunate move on their parts.
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David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?
Today is Friday, March.

 

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john_p_darcy@yahoo.com.au (JPD) wrote in message news:<422e74f4.285797440@news.bigpond.com>...
> Probably not a new idea at all - if I googled for long enough, this is
> guaranteed to have been suggested before.
>
> As far as I know, there are consequences to luck and some game
> situations when the game is started or reloaded near full moon, near
> new moon, or on Friday the 13th.
>
> What if ...
>
> - on April 1st, fortune cookies return *only* false clues and the
> Oracle is much more expensive for a major consultation.
>
> - on October 31st, the frequency of undead monsters is greatly
> increased
>
> - on December 25th, a human with a red cloak, black boots, red hat and
> a sack containing one valuable item, will appear (perhaps down a
> chimney, although the existence of such a thing would be YANI itself).
>
> - from December 26th through December 31st, shop prices are 20%
> cheaper.
>
> - on January 1st, upon starting or restoring a game the player gets
> "You feel like someone is helping you" and one random cursed item
> carried in the main inventory is thereby uncursed.


A few more:

On February 14, foocubi take a lot less long to recover between
encounters, are more likely to remove all your armour, and a good
effect is more likely to result. Nymphs are also more adept at
charming.

On Easter, all new eggs generated that day should be either chocolate
eggs ("This chocolate egg is delicious!") or brightly-painted
hard-boiled eggs. There should also be a new monster, the rabbit (r)
which is generated peaceful but is extremely fast and has a nasty bite
attack when provoked (from Monty Python, of course! 🙂 )

On the summer solstice, cold attacks do half damage. On the winter
solstice, fire attacks do half damage. (Both yours and other
monsters'.)

And around Christmas, you can find candy canes, which when eaten will
provide a small amount of energy and temporarily raise your charisma
by 1 (gives you nice clean minty breath.) On the same note, eating a
clove of garlic, any time of the year, should decrease your charisma
by 1.

Artemis the Ranger

 

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Artemis the Ranger wrote:
> john_p_darcy@yahoo.com.au (JPD) wrote in message
> news:<422e74f4.285797440@news.bigpond.com>...

[some really cheesy holiday YAN(?)I]

> On Easter, all new eggs generated that day should be either
> chocolate eggs ("This chocolate egg is delicious!") or
> brightly-painted hard-boiled eggs. There should also be a
> new monster, the rabbit (r) which is generated peaceful but
> is extremely fast and has a nasty bite attack when provoked
> (from Monty Python, of course! 🙂 )

Just give it a switchblade. Blessed rustproof +7 switchblade.
KA-CLICK!

--
roy axenov, killed by a rabbit called Bun-Bun, while helpless

 

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> - from December 26th through December 31st, shop prices are 20%
> cheaper.

Shouldn't that be 20% more expensive? Just to match reality?

 

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Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

> Panu Lahtinen wrote:
>
>>In article <422e74f4.285797440@news.bigpond.com>, JPD wrote:
>
>
>>>- on December 25th, a human with a red cloak, [...]
>
>
>>Or on 24th like here in Finland. And not through the chimney!
>
>
>>>- on January 1st, upon starting or restoring a game the player gets
>>>"You feel like someone is helping you" and one random cursed item
>>>carried in the main inventory is thereby uncursed.
>
>
>>Why? Instead one should promise to keep one (perhaps already
>>broken) conduct intact from that point on.
>
>
> Cultural difference like the ones above are exactly why additions like
> this are very unlikely to be implemented by the Dev Team...
>
> I'm positive they've been considered by them before, and I'm also
> *almost* certain that they have, in general, rejected such ideas.
>


What about solstices?

autumn harvest (food plentiful)
winter freeze (food scarce/slowed)
spring thaw (free cold resistance/free speed)
summer bake (free heat res/speed lost[too hot to run])

these are just off the top of my head, but they are less culturally
biased (sorry, you hemispherically-challenged southerners!)

SMG

 

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Benjamin Schieder <blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net> writes:

> > - from December 26th through December 31st, shop prices are 20%
> > cheaper.

> Shouldn't that be 20% more expensive? Just to match reality?

No, that would be on November and December until about the 23st.

--
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john_p_darcy@yahoo.com.au (JPD) wrote:

> What if ...
>
> - on April 1st, fortune cookies return *only* false clues

Myeah, but...

> and the Oracle is much more expensive for a major consultation.

....why?

> - on December 25th, a human with a red cloak, black boots, red hat and
> a sack containing one valuable item, will appear (perhaps down a
> chimney, although the existence of such a thing would be YANI itself).
>
> - from December 26th through December 31st, shop prices are 20%
> cheaper.

Do these, and I will immediately revert to an older version. My disgust
for the commercialisation of Christmas is only matched by how badly I
despise the people who are now trying to do the same to Easter.

> - on January 1st, upon starting or restoring a game the player gets
> "You feel like someone is helping you" and one random cursed item
> carried in the main inventory is thereby uncursed.

Whatever for? Since when is New Year's Day considered lucky or blessed?

Richard

 

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"Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:

> roy axenov wrote:
>
> > - oh, and on March 8th female characters should *obviously* get
> > some significant boni. I wonder why'd you forget *that*?
>
> At least *that* day is internationally recognised...

For values of "recognised" that boil down to "mostly ignored"...

Richard

 

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wcristalle@hotmail.com (Artemis the Ranger) wrote:

> A few more:
>
> On February 14, foocubi take a lot less long to recover between
> encounters, are more likely to remove all your armour, and a good
> effect is more likely to result. Nymphs are also more adept at
> charming.

Please, no! That day is cloying enough as it is.

> On Easter, all new eggs generated that day should be either chocolate
> eggs ("This chocolate egg is delicious!") or brightly-painted
> hard-boiled eggs. There should also be a new monster, the rabbit (r)

Hare, please. The main problem here is: how do you (easily) compute the
day of Easter? There is a formula, but it's too complicated to bother
with for such small gain.

> On the summer solstice, cold attacks do half damage. On the winter
> solstice, fire attacks do half damage. (Both yours and other
> monsters'.)

Ah, that is more in keeping with the (poly-polytheistic) spirit of the
game, and easy to compute as well.

> And around Christmas, you can find candy canes, which when eaten will
> provide a small amount of energy and temporarily raise your charisma
> by 1 (gives you nice clean minty breath.)

Erm. I've yet to find a candy cane at Christmas, except in sugary
USAnian seasonal films, usually by Disney and the like.

Richard

 

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Richard Bos wrote:

> Hare, please. The main problem here is: how do you (easily) compute
> the day of Easter? There is a formula, but it's too complicated to
> bother with for such small gain.

I believe most of that code is already in the game: it is used to
compute the full and new moon dates. When you know these, it's really
simple to compute the easter date.

>> And around Christmas, you can find candy canes, which when eaten will
>> provide a small amount of energy and temporarily raise your charisma
>> by 1 (gives you nice clean minty breath.)

> Erm. I've yet to find a candy cane at Christmas, except in sugary
> USAnian seasonal films, usually by Disney and the like.

Indeed. And opinions vary on whether or not a minty breath is nice, too.
Personally, I cannot stand the smell of peppermint.

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

 

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Richard Bos wrote:

> Spare me RC saints in NetHack, btw.

Yes!

A special thingy *every* day! 🙂

--
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rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote in news:4233808a.17546484
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> "Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:
>
>> roy axenov wrote:
>>
>> > - oh, and on March 8th female characters should *obviously* get
>> > some significant boni. I wonder why'd you forget *that*?
>>
>> At least *that* day is internationally recognised...
>
> For values of "recognised" that boil down to "mostly ignored"...

Well, I appear to be the only one who doesn't know what you guys are
talking about, so would someone mind filling me in?

 

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Seraphim wrote:
> Richard Bos wrote:
>> "Boudewijn Waijers" wrote:
>>> roy axenov wrote:

>>>> - oh, and on March 8th female characters should *obviously* get
>>>> some significant boni. I wonder why'd you forget *that*?

>>> At least *that* day is internationally recognised...

>> For values of "recognised" that boil down to "mostly ignored"...

> Well, I appear to be the only one who doesn't know what you guys are
> talking about, so would someone mind filling me in?

March the 8th is international women's day, declared so by the UN.

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

 

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Quoting Richard Bos <rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl>:
>Do these, and I will immediately revert to an older version. My disgust
>for the commercialisation of Christmas is only matched by how badly I
>despise the people who are now trying to do the same to Easter.

I notice that, last year, the wall provided by Halloween and Guy Fawkes
was breached in places to let Christmas into October. Bleah.

>>- on January 1st, upon starting or restoring a game the player gets
>>"You feel like someone is helping you" and one random cursed item
>>carried in the main inventory is thereby uncursed.
>Whatever for? Since when is New Year's Day considered lucky or blessed?

If anything, I'd expect to suffer the effects of several PoBooze.
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Today is First Gloucesterday, March.