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ELM2721

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sorry didn't notice that .
understand me , I really don't underestimate the 3600 iam pretty sure it is a great cpu but I just don't want to use a 6 core cpu in 2019-2020 . I want something to be really future proof . because also next year I will consider a gpu upgrade from rtx 2060 to something like 2070 super or maybe a 2080 . so should I go with ryzen 2700x or it is a dumb choice . it has a very low price in my country right now.
I also stated that 3700x is not impossible but I would be breaking the bank for it . is it worth it?
 
I wouldn't really be worried about a 6 core/12 thread CPU being obsolete any time soon. Even recent 4 core/8 thread Intel CPUs are generally still performing quite well in gaming.

Also, the 3600 often performs fairly close to (or even exceeds in a few cases) the 2700X in heavily threaded loads. And performs significantly better in lightly threaded loads.

How does the price of a 2700X compare to a 3600 for you?
 

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I wouldn't really be worried about a 6 core/12 thread CPU being obsolete any time soon. Even recent 4 core/8 thread Intel CPUs are generally still performing quite well in gaming.

Also, the 3600 often performs fairly close to (or even exceeds in a few cases) the 2700X in heavily threaded loads. And performs significantly better in lightly threaded loads.

How does the price of a 2700X compare to a 3600 for you?
The 2700x is only a few dollars more expensive
 

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The 2700x is only a few dollars more expensive
The 2700x is still a great CPU - it trades blows with the 3600X (better multi core VS better single core) so it really depends on what you are doing now - if gaming only, go 3600, you will be set for the next couple years. 2021 may bring DDR5 and Zen3/3+/whatever, and Intel may come back to being relevant, so by then you will know if you can simply expand your AM4 system or go all new.
 
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I have to ask, what's the purpose of the CPU you'd like to buy?

If you're moving away from the Ry2700X, then the Ry3700X is the direct step-up (at ~15% performance increase in most tasks) and the Ry3900X would be your next step in the line, so thinking about a 3600(X) makes little sense to me in that context.
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Technically, as per the Zen+ to Zen2 design architecture, 3700X is actually step-up from 2700. 3800X is the step-up from 2700X.
 

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Both the 3600 and 3700X are absolutely solid options.

The 3600X and 3800X don't make as much sense, due to their boosting algorithms being so close to their slightly lower priced counterparts. For example, the 3600X boost exactly the same as the 3600 in almost all scenarios.
 

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Both the 3600 and 3700X are absolutely solid options.

The 3600X and 3800X don't make as much sense, due to their boosting algorithms being so close to their slightly lower priced counterparts. For example, the 3600X boost exactly the same as the 3600 in almost all scenarios.
That's factual. But then person has to manually OC them. I am more interested in letting PBO work for itself because I find manual OC both cumbersome and risky. Is there a safe way to do that?
 
in addition I don't have the money for more than 3000 Mhz ram and b450 mobo
I have 2700x running fine and coping well with anything I throw at it. It's not like 3700x is 50% better, gains would be only about 15% mainly for single core applications. Unless you have some beast of GPU that allows you to play monster new games at top settings , I'd say that 2700x would more than suffice.
Actually it's so good that I will change it only for 3800x (if it meets expectations) or eventually 3900x if I can find sufficient reason for 12 cores.
 
and no 2800X :devilish:
Exactly my point:
1800X (8c/16t) -> ??????? -> 3800X (8c/16t)
1700X (8c/16t) -> 2700X (8c/16t) -> 3700X (8c/16t)
1600X (6c/12t) -> 2600X (6c/12t) -> 3600X (6c/12t)
(and so on)

I believe the naming is absolutely intentional from AMD, even if it doesn't make much sense from the actual performance tier perspective and you want to think: 1800X -> 2700X -> 3800X.

Cheers!
 

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Exactly my point:
1800X (8c/16t) -> ??????? -> 3800X (8c/16t)
1700X (8c/16t) -> 2700X (8c/16t) -> 3700X (8c/16t)
1600X (6c/12t) -> 2600X (6c/12t) -> 3600X (6c/12t)
(and so on)

I believe the naming is absolutely intentional from AMD, even if it doesn't make much sense from the actual performance tier perspective and you want to think: 1800X -> 2700X -> 3800X.

Cheers!
It's 1700X -> 2700 -> 3700X
1800X -> 2700X -> 3800X
 

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That's factual. But then person has to manually OC them. I am more interested in letting PBO work for itself because I find manual OC both cumbersome and risky. Is there a safe way to do that?
I just bought a 3600 and it boosts to 4.2GHz on the stock cooler, the only reason to get a 3600X would be if you wanted the better stock cooler.
 

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Ry1K and Ry3K have the same gaps, more or less, when Ry2K doesn't. It is important to include Ry1K in the comparison, as it is more 1:1 to the price strategy they used for Ry3K.

Cheers!
I think with the Ryzen 9 models being introduced there should be some resemblance to the naming of the Ryzen 3000 series in the next generation chips.
 

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So i have got the 3600x because of my tight budget and i couldnt be happier its a great cpu . But do you think this cpu will keep up with an rtx 2070 super or 2080 in case i upgraded next year
Reminder : iam pairing the 3600x with rtx 2060
 

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So i have got the 3600x because of my tight budget and i couldnt be happier its a great cpu . But do you think this cpu will keep up with an rtx 2070 super or 2080 in case i upgraded next year
It'll probably be fine for whatever GPUs come out within the next 5-10 years depending on what games you play. Most games aren't going to push CPU requirements particularly hard since ~75% of PC gamers use systems on par with 5+ years old specs.
 

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