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1080p/24fps capable camera ALSO with possibility to shoot Slow-mo and Ideally in RAW video format for lowest money possible
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Heinrich17
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What is this going to be used for? What is your budget?
My guess is a GoPro 4 since that does everything you want except RAW. You are limited to what you can do, but it is rather cheap.
I think you probably do not need RAW. If you are on a budget for the camera, you will spend many times more on SSDs to shoot raw than you will on the rest of your gear, which is kind of stupid (spend $700 on camera and $3000 on SSDs). Also, RAW workflow is horrible. You need very high powered PC with incredibly fast disk speeds (400MB/s+). You then will need expensive software and a lot of time to grade. If you want a RAW 'look' then any camera with a flat profile will get you close without needing massive disk space and ultra high speeds. Cameras capable of this may be outside of your price range.
If you are doing events, then rent your gear per event basis. You will get $5000+ of gear for $400 and you will just have to factor it into your cost. As you make money, you can start purchasing gear. Also some events almost require a Sony A7S or very expensive primes as there is no lighting (weddings are an example). There is no cheap way to get good results in low light except using lighting, which is either not always allowed or very annoying to people/atmosphere.
If you are making a short film as a hobby, then look for a used Sony e-mount like NEX-5n/r/t. Those should run around $300 and have a large Super35 sensor. You can then adapt pretty much any lens ever made to it (which translates to low cost vintage primes) and then be on your way. Just pick up some lighting. Watch record times as the sensors heat up after prolonged use, but for film making it should not be an issue. They can do 1080/60p which is 2.5x slow motion. There is also Panasonic GH3, but the cost is higher. The GH3 does not overheat and is a better overall camera, but smaller (but still very large) 4/3 sensor. Both cameras use mpeg-4 AVC compression algorithms and quality is excellent.
If you are doing corporate work, then you need a GH3/GH4 or an ENG/Professional Camcorder as well as a good tripod. Other cameras do not have the record time necessary for this.
If you are doing youtube videos or just home movies, use a cellphone. They do 1080/24p and do slow motion up to 10x (that's 240FPS). Some do 4K and quality is excellent as long as there is adequate light. You have limitations, however you are not making money, so there is no need to invest lots of $$$ into gear. The GoPro would work well for this however.
My guess is a GoPro 4 since that does everything you want except RAW. You are limited to what you can do, but it is rather cheap.
I think you probably do not need RAW. If you are on a budget for the camera, you will spend many times more on SSDs to shoot raw than you will on the rest of your gear, which is kind of stupid (spend $700 on camera and $3000 on SSDs). Also, RAW workflow is horrible. You need very high powered PC with incredibly fast disk speeds (400MB/s+). You then will need expensive software and a lot of time to grade. If you want a RAW 'look' then any camera with a flat profile will get you close without needing massive disk space and ultra high speeds. Cameras capable of this may be outside of your price range.
If you are doing events, then rent your gear per event basis. You will get $5000+ of gear for $400 and you will just have to factor it into your cost. As you make money, you can start purchasing gear. Also some events almost require a Sony A7S or very expensive primes as there is no lighting (weddings are an example). There is no cheap way to get good results in low light except using lighting, which is either not always allowed or very annoying to people/atmosphere.
If you are making a short film as a hobby, then look for a used Sony e-mount like NEX-5n/r/t. Those should run around $300 and have a large Super35 sensor. You can then adapt pretty much any lens ever made to it (which translates to low cost vintage primes) and then be on your way. Just pick up some lighting. Watch record times as the sensors heat up after prolonged use, but for film making it should not be an issue. They can do 1080/60p which is 2.5x slow motion. There is also Panasonic GH3, but the cost is higher. The GH3 does not overheat and is a better overall camera, but smaller (but still very large) 4/3 sensor. Both cameras use mpeg-4 AVC compression algorithms and quality is excellent.
If you are doing corporate work, then you need a GH3/GH4 or an ENG/Professional Camcorder as well as a good tripod. Other cameras do not have the record time necessary for this.
If you are doing youtube videos or just home movies, use a cellphone. They do 1080/24p and do slow motion up to 10x (that's 240FPS). Some do 4K and quality is excellent as long as there is adequate light. You have limitations, however you are not making money, so there is no need to invest lots of $$$ into gear. The GoPro would work well for this however.
Excellent overall information, I'm very thankful for your insight.
Just one last criteria I forgot to mention. Usable autofocus. I'm new to filming and eventho I understand you are probably giggling now, thinking "oh lawd, what a noob. why am I even responding to him" I don't care, I'm willing to take sh*t for it, it's okay.
The reason is, I want to be able to take dolly, slider or handheld shots without constant struggle with follow focus. I want to pay attention to what's going on in the frame and not constantly twisting the focus ring.
Is it just a newb concern and does it become automatic? Are you aware if your camera suggestion (GH3 looks most promising to me, or GH4) have the ability to lock focus, or follow subject when I'm moving camera quite a bit? Or how big is the "wiggle room" where it shouldnt loose focus (past depth of field ofc.)
My main goal are features, but that's years, possibly decades away. Right now Í am looking for camera to shoot shorts with best possible film-look (not meaning shallow depth of field, but overall picture style and quality) for a reasonable price. The budget is stretchable since I am working on making it bigger, the less the better ofcourse, but I'm willing to work in some second-class jobs for a bit longer in order to get what I want.
Once again, thank you for your time!
Mitchell Robinson
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Hi there,
Just want to throw another camera into the mix also. The Blackmagic Pocket Camera. Just like the GoPro, it's small and a little bit limiting in terms of adaptability and what you can tack onto it. But it gives you everything you want bar the high frame rate. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/au/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera <- Excuse the Australian site. Pricing may differ depending on what country you are buying from.
If I were you I'd pick the equivalent cameras from their respective manufacturers and pit them against each other. At this sort of price range there normally isn't much that sets them apart. But each camera will let you down in one area or another. You will have to make some concessions. Take it from me. I rushed out an purchased a 5DIII as soon as it came out. When the Sony A7S arrived I wished I had waited a bit longer.. or at leased even looked into Sony. My point being. The longer you research the better the camera you will find. Make your research extensive and don't get hooked on one camera. pheew.. now that i have got that off my chest i might be able to finally sleep.
Goodluck in your search!
Just want to throw another camera into the mix also. The Blackmagic Pocket Camera. Just like the GoPro, it's small and a little bit limiting in terms of adaptability and what you can tack onto it. But it gives you everything you want bar the high frame rate. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/au/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera <- Excuse the Australian site. Pricing may differ depending on what country you are buying from.
If I were you I'd pick the equivalent cameras from their respective manufacturers and pit them against each other. At this sort of price range there normally isn't much that sets them apart. But each camera will let you down in one area or another. You will have to make some concessions. Take it from me. I rushed out an purchased a 5DIII as soon as it came out. When the Sony A7S arrived I wished I had waited a bit longer.. or at leased even looked into Sony. My point being. The longer you research the better the camera you will find. Make your research extensive and don't get hooked on one camera. pheew.. now that i have got that off my chest i might be able to finally sleep.
Goodluck in your search!
Heinrich17
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The blackmagic pocket is a great camera, however it adds that longer workflow and hardware requirement of shooting large file.
I think the AF concern is a concern because you are new to this. The GH3 & GH4 AF is rather good provided you have good light for the camera to be able to actually see what it is focusing on 😛 That is true for all cameras though. The GH4 AF is improved over the GH3 in its accuracy especially with Panasonic's better lenses. Speed wise, both are slow, which is GOOD for video. It is a nice smooth transition to objects similar to how you would do a focus pull. It is not better than manual focusing, but when starting out and when you are a one man team, there
edit... Don't know why it left my response half finished...
...one man team, there are advantages in AF. Eventually you will move away from AF for most situations, however it is great when starting out. Lenses that work better with AF will cost a little more, so take that into consideration.
I think the AF concern is a concern because you are new to this. The GH3 & GH4 AF is rather good provided you have good light for the camera to be able to actually see what it is focusing on 😛 That is true for all cameras though. The GH4 AF is improved over the GH3 in its accuracy especially with Panasonic's better lenses. Speed wise, both are slow, which is GOOD for video. It is a nice smooth transition to objects similar to how you would do a focus pull. It is not better than manual focusing, but when starting out and when you are a one man team, there
edit... Don't know why it left my response half finished...
...one man team, there are advantages in AF. Eventually you will move away from AF for most situations, however it is great when starting out. Lenses that work better with AF will cost a little more, so take that into consideration.
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