Question 14700 or 14700K ?

[ibrahimasghar]

Hello all, i'm looking to upgrade my CPU from a 10700 to a 14700. I was thinking of going for Ultra 7 265K, but not sure as a number of reviews say that the performance is not good in gaming and I use my PC primarily for gaming. Of course i will have to upgrade my motherboard and DDR4 RAM as well.

Also, in all my years of gaming, i have not once overclocked my CPU or GPU, i never do that.
Should I go for the K or Non-K CPU? Is there much difference b/w K and Non-K performance wise?
In my region, the price difference between the K and non-K is around $23.
Should I opt for K even though I never overclock?

Many thanks.

 

[Lutfij]

You're going to need a Z690 chipsetted motherboard at the very least with the latest BIOS version to be able to drop in a 14th Gen Intel processor. If your system is meant for gaming and gaming alone, you should look into AMD's platform btu that would mean you invest into a DDR5 dual channel ram kit as well as a new motherboard.

Please list the specs to your build like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.

i have not once overclocked my CPU or GPU, i never do that, shall i go for the K or Non-K CPU?
If you don't intend to overclock the processor, then you need not look into a Z series chipsetted motherboard nor a K suffix processor. Just an FYI, if you look at an i7 or higher, you would need a motherboard with a beefy VRM design. + You can get away with a B series chipset motherboard. As for the cooling, you should think about a beefy air cooler or a 360mm AIO if you don't have either, not to mention a case with optimal airflow.

 

[ibrahimasghar]

You're going to need a Z690 chipsetted motherboard at the very least with the latest BIOS version to be able to drop in a 14th Gen Intel processor. If your system is meant for gaming and gaming alone, you should look into AMD's platform btu that would mean you invest into a DDR5 dual channel ram kit as well as a new motherboard.

Please list the specs to your build like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.

i have not once overclocked my CPU or GPU, i never do that, shall i go for the K or Non-K CPU?
If you don't intend to overclock the processor, then you need not look into a Z series chipsetted motherboard nor a K suffix processor. Just an FYI, if you look at an i7 or higher, you would need a motherboard with a beefy VRM design. + You can get away with a B series chipset motherboard. As for the cooling, you should think about a beefy air cooler or a 360mm AIO if you don't have either, not to mention a case with optimal airflow.

Hello, thanks for the response, i have given details of my current build below.

CPU: Want to upgrade to i7 14700
CPU cooler: I currently have AK400 air cooler from DeepCool, i don't intend to upgrade it for now.
Motherboard: Want to upgrade to Aorus Z790 Pro X from Gigabyte (i know Z series won't be required since Non K, but VRM!)
Ram: Want to upgrade to Corsair Dominator DDR5 6000MHz
SSD/HDD: I currently have SN850X and two SATA SSDs.
GPU: I currently have RTX 4070 Ti, might change to 5080 in future
PSU: I currently have 750W Gold
Chassis: I currently have NZXT H9 Elite
OS: Currently haveWin 10
Monitor: I currently have ASUS TUF 27" 1440p

 

[bill001g]

Does your current cpu cause you any issues. Do you even need to upgrade at all, I do not know if you listed your current cpu.

It depends on the exact game but most games are GPU limited. If you were running shooters at 1080p with all low video settings then the cpu makes more difference. At 1440 and especially 4k most times faster cpu makes little difference.

This is going to also be true when you compare 14700 and 14700k.

Although I have not looked pricing much lately there seemed to be little difference in the price between 14700 and 14700k. I saw for a while on 14900k that they were actually cheaper than 14900. I think there is more demand for the "k" model so they manufacture more of them which leads to strange inventory issues.

Note it seems most people agree that it is now high risk to actually use the main feature of a "k" chip. Used to be you would change the p1/p2 limits and let the chip thermal throttle more. Intel after their chip failure issues seems to have backed down on the recommendation. I remember the intel engineers stating you could run at thermal throttle 24x7 with no risk but now they seem to be hiding under rocks.

 

[ibrahimasghar]

Does your current cpu cause you any issues. Do you even need to upgrade at all, I do not know if you listed your current cpu.

It depends on the exact game but most games are GPU limited. If you were running shooters at 1080p with all low video settings then the cpu makes more difference. At 1440 and especially 4k most times faster cpu makes little difference.

This is going to also be true when you compare 14700 and 14700k.

Although I have not looked pricing much lately there seemed to be little difference in the price between 14700 and 14700k. I saw for a while on 14900k that they were actually cheaper than 14900. I think there is more demand for the "k" model so they manufacture more of them which leads to strange inventory issues.

Note it seems most people agree that it is now high risk to actually use the main feature of a "k" chip. Used to be you would change the p1/p2 limits and let the chip thermal throttle more. Intel after their chip failure issues seems to have backed down on the recommendation. I remember the intel engineers stating you could run at thermal throttle 24x7 with no risk but now they seem to be hiding under rocks.

Hello, my current CPU is an i7-10700, it's great but i feel it bottlenecks my RTX 4070 Ti in some games, like the latest game Avowed clearly has dips in FPS when i'm seeing others with 13th or 14th gen CPU and a 3070 play it great. I was thinking of getting a 5080 sooner or later as stocks become available, in that case i think my 10700 would be a bad match up with a 5080 ?

 

[Why_Me]

Hello, my current CPU is an i7-10700, it's great but i feel it bottlenecks my RTX 4070 Ti in some games, like the latest game Avowed clearly has dips in FPS when i'm seeing others with 13th or 14th gen CPU and a 3070 play it great. I was thinking of getting a 5080 sooner or later as stocks become available, in that case i think my 10700 would be a bad match up with a 5080 ?

You want the locked i7. Similar performance without the heat.

 

[bill001g]

10700 is getting a bit old but it really depends on the game and the options it supports. When you start running games that have stuff like ray tracing in them you pretty much get a GPU bottleneck no matter what cpu.

Unless you just have to have new technology I am not too sure 4070ti to 5080 is a good upgrade. Mostly it is not a cost effective upgrade. Used to be we got much more performance for the same or only slightly more money. Lately if we get 10% performance increase we pay 15% more it seems.

 

[TerryLaze]

Hello all, i'm looking to upgrade my CPU from a 10700 to a 14700. I was thinking of going for Ultra 7 265K, but not sure as a number of reviews say that the performance is not good in gaming and I use my PC primarily for gaming. Of course i will have to upgrade my motherboard and DDR4 RAM as well.

Also, in all my years of gaming, i have not once overclocked my CPU or GPU, i never do that.
Should I go for the K or Non-K CPU? Is there much difference b/w K and Non-K performance wise?
In my region, the price difference between the K and non-K is around $23.
Should I opt for K even though I never overclock?

Many thanks.

What you are saying here is quite a bit of contradiction.
Reviewers compare fully overclocked 14700k to the 7 265 ,if you want the real difference compared to a 14700k that you would not overclock then you have to search for baseline numbers that are hard to come by.

But also, even at 720p with an 4090 the difference is like 7% to the full power 14700k and 16% to the top of the chart while needing a lot less power.
If your logic is that in 10 years or so that 7% is going to make any kind of difference...no it won't.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-7-265k/18.html

Yes, always opt for the k version since they run higher clocks even if not overclocked.
Pay very close attention to the mobo you buy though since almost all of them will auto overclock the CPU to oblivion.

 

[TerryLaze]

You want the locked i7. Similar performance without the heat.

No, ever since intel allowed all CPUs to run with unlimited power there is no difference anymore, locked CPUs can still be set up to run at 250-300w and be very hot for no reason at all.

 

[rene641]

I would see it a little differently, here

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_wVITS4aYg


is a nice comparison of 13600K and 13700, with gen 14 the difference will be similar. So I would rather choose 14600K or 14700K. If you want to buy an RTX 5080 over time, I'd rather take the 14700K.

 

[Why_Me]

12 gen locked i7 vs unlocked i7

 

[Why_Me]

No, ever since intel allowed all CPUs to run with unlimited power there is no difference anymore, locked CPUs can still be set up to run at 250-300w and be very hot for no reason at all.

Block overclocking?

 

[TerryLaze]

Block overclocking?

Cores are already locked, but basically yes, you would have to go into bios and set a maximum limit of power that you would allow for the CPU to keep it cool.
The thing is that people don't know they have to do that.

 

[Gururu]

Hello all, i'm looking to upgrade my CPU from a 10700 to a 14700. I was thinking of going for Ultra 7 265K, but not sure as a number of reviews say that the performance is not good in gaming and I use my PC primarily for gaming. Of course i will have to upgrade my motherboard and DDR4 RAM as well.

Also, in all my years of gaming, i have not once overclocked my CPU or GPU, i never do that.
Should I go for the K or Non-K CPU? Is there much difference b/w K and Non-K performance wise?
In my region, the price difference between the K and non-K is around $23.
Should I opt for K even though I never overclock?

Many thanks.

You may not feel the difference between a 14700 and a 265 if you are running a 5070 ti or lower. Those reviews are using a 4090 to eliminate GPU bottleneck. A 265 would be preferable if you are concerned about potential long-term degradation. That being said the 14700 will probably be a competitive chip a few more years. I am not sure if either will bottleneck a 5080 but they might be a good pairing if you are stuck on Intel.

I would go for the 14700k hands down since it has higher specifications out of box. If you are looking at a 5080 I don't think power and efficiency are a concern, so 14700k again. I have been very happy with mine but I bought it primarily for dual purpose (productivity and gaming).