Build Advice $2,000 System Build for 4k Gaming ?

[Andrew CC]

I originally tried using Chat GPT for recommendations, but BIG SURPRISE... It doesn't beat the Tom's Hardware community!

Anyways... My budget is around $2,000 and I need help with finding parts that would give me the best results for the price, but any recommendations that would result in a cheaper system help too! I'd prefer 4k gaming with graphics being the focus, meaning I might need to consider NVIDIA a little more.

List of parts i'm thinking as of now...

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
GPU: Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX 7900 XTX
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB
MOBO: Asus ROG STRIX B650E-I Mini ITX
M.2: Samsung 980 Pro (2TB)
Case: Cooler Master NR200P MAX Mini-ITX (Would love input on a smaller find!)

*Note: I'm in the military, so I prefer movability (meaning ITX). The case I have listed seems pretty cool and comes with 280mm AIO, a 850w SFX PSU, and a vertical GPU mount, so no worries there 😉. I would love to see everyone's taste when it comes to ITX Cases tho... Just remember, it will probably be in and out of a Seabag a few times!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NHvwbL

 

[Lutfij]

Your build looks very similar to mine though I was relegated to using G.Skill Z5 Neo RGB's since that was the only thing that had AMD E.X.P O support, but I did go through the memory QVL for the motherboard to narrow down what I needed/could use.

You can downgrade to the MSI B650I Edge WiFi;
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dk...-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-mpg-b650i-edge-wifi
^ that went inside a Fractal-Design Node 202.

BTW, thank you for your service, sir!

 

[Aeacus]

The build as it is, does not happen.

CM NR200P PC case, namely the AIO in it, supports Intel up to LGA 1700 and AMD up to AM4. So, AM5 is not compatible and won't happen.

Either:
* Go with Intel platform (or AM4)
* Replace CM NR200P with standard PSU, case and CPU cooler (it then will bring up the price)

While best would be going with laptop. Since portability is big part of your use case and ITX build will not fare well in duffle bag. You'll break the GPU PCB near the PCI-E slot.

Going with Intel and NR200P, it would look like so:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor ($334.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790M-ITX WIFI Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GAMING TRIO CLASSIC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card ($899.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200P V2 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($321.00)
Total: $2070.95

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-06 19:05 EDT-0400

Link to purchase the NR200P with AIO and PSU: https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Mini-ITX-Triple-Slot-Tempered/dp/B09CF4YGJ8?th=1

Laptop is still better option, since you don't have to haul monitor around either and laptop is far more suited for traveling inside the seabag. Also, weighs a lot less too.

 

[Andrew CC]

Your build looks very similar to mine though I was relegated to using G.Skill Z5 Neo RGB's since that was the only thing that had AMD E.X.P O support, but I did go through the memory QVL for the motherboard to narrow down what I needed/could use.

You can downgrade to the MSI B650I Edge WiFi;
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dk...-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-mpg-b650i-edge-wifi
^ that went inside a Fractal-Design Node 202.

BTW, thank you for your service, sir!

Thank you for the hasty reply and the input about the memory, you seem a lot more knowledgeable than me! That case is tiny! Perfect for travel, thanks!

 

[Andrew CC]

The build as it is, does not happen.

CM NR200P PC case, namely the AIO in it, supports Intel up to LGA 1700 and AMD up to AM4. So, AM5 is not compatible and won't happen.

Either:
* Go with Intel platform (or AM4)
* Replace CM NR200P with standard PSU, case and CPU cooler (it then will bring up the price)

While best would be going with laptop. Since portability is big part of your use case and ITX build will not fare well in duffle bag. You'll break the GPU PCB near the PCI-E slot.

Going with Intel and NR200P, it would look like so:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor ($334.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790M-ITX WIFI Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GAMING TRIO CLASSIC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card ($899.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200P V2 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($321.00)
Total: $2070.95

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-06 19:05 EDT-0400

Link to purchase the NR200P with AIO and PSU: https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Mini-ITX-Triple-Slot-Tempered/dp/B09CF4YGJ8?th=1

Laptop is still better option, since you don't have to haul monitor around either and laptop is far more suited for traveling inside the seabag. Also, weighs a lot less too.

Thanks a ton for looking into the case, you saved my butt! As for the comment about purchasing a laptop... Laptops are awesome and probably do make much more sense, but I love the process of customizing and building a PC. It's defiantly something I want to get back into. The Z790M-ITX you suggested would fit the case a lot better than the one I had previously, but ill have have to look into Intel again. Is it not worth it to upgrade to the 14 series whilst making the necessary replacements i.e. mobo and AIO? Also is there much of a difference between the 2 series of GPUs?

 

[King Dranzer]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($358.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool R-AN600-BKNNMN-G 61.56 CFM CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B650E-I GAMING WIFI Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 48 GB (2 x 24 GB) DDR5-6400 CL36 Memory ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Ridge PCIe 4.0 Mini ITX Tower Case ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair SF1000L 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1273.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-07 00:26 EDT-0400

Yes I did not include the GPU as next gen is less than a year away. And for 4K Gaming I highly recommend getting next Gen RTX5080 or even better RTX5090(Which I consider to be the true 4K capable GPU). Try saving up as much money as you can till then and go for the best GPU you can for the budget. RTX5080 is expected to be priced around $1000 and RTX5090 is expected to be priced around $1800. I would recommend getting RTX5090 if you can stretch the budget for it by saving over next 6months-1Yrs. Or if that is not possible then get RTX5080 it should still be a bit better than RTX4090 in performance for much lower price.

Till then stick to 720p Gaming which the integrated GPU can handle no prob. Not worth it to get any mid tier GPU from the current Gen for 4K gaming.

But yes please hold off on GPU and keep adding to the budget as much as you can till then. If you already have a PC that is working fine then I would recommend holding off the entire build till next gen GPUs release. But if you need a PC to get you going and have nothing else to work with I recommend skipping GPU for now and using the integrated GPU for now.

 

[kira-faye]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($358.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool R-AN600-BKNNMN-G 61.56 CFM CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B650E-I GAMING WIFI Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 48 GB (2 x 24 GB) DDR5-6400 CL36 Memory ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Ridge PCIe 4.0 Mini ITX Tower Case ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair SF1000L 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1273.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-07 00:26 EDT-0400

Yes I did not include the GPU as next gen is less than a year away. And for 4K Gaming I highly recommend getting next Gen RTX5080 or even better RTX5090(Which I consider to be the true 4K capable GPU). Try saving up as much money as you can till then and go for the best GPU you can for the budget. RTX5080 is expected to be priced around $1000 and RTX5090 is expected to be priced around $1800. I would recommend getting RTX5090 if you can stretch the budget for it by saving over next 6months-1Yrs. Or if that is not possible then get RTX5080 it should still be a bit better than RTX4090 in performance for much lower price.

Till then stick to 720p Gaming which the integrated GPU can handle no prob. Not worth it to get any mid tier GPU from the current Gen for 4K gaming.

But yes please hold off on GPU and keep adding to the budget as much as you can till then. If you already have a PC that is working fine then I would recommend holding off the entire build till next gen GPUs release. But if you need a PC to get you going and have nothing else to work with I recommend skipping GPU for now and using the integrated GPU for now.

... Telling someone who wants to build a machine now that they should wait 6 months to a year is terrible advice.

The Ridge is better suited to an entertainment center than a backpack.

That HSF is terrible.



7800X3D
48 or 64GB fast DDR5, ideally on your motherboard's QVL list
ITX board of your choice
Lian-Li A4-H2O case
240mm AIO of your choice (I typically recommend Thermalright - make sure the pump block isn't too tall)
7900XTX that's on the biggest sale when you buy and fits the case
4TB WD Black SN850X or Samsung 980/990/whatever
1kw SFX PSU that reviews well

 

[King Dranzer]

... Telling someone who wants to build a machine now that they should wait 6 months to a year is terrible advice.

The Ridge is better suited to an entertainment center than a backpack.

That HSF is terrible.



7800X3D
48 or 64GB fast DDR5, ideally on your motherboard's QVL list
ITX board of your choice
Lian-Li A4-H2O case
240mm AIO of your choice (I typically recommend Thermalright - make sure the pump block isn't too tall)
7900XTX that's on the biggest sale when you buy and fits the case
4TB WD Black SN850X or Samsung 980/990/whatever
1kw SFX PSU that reviews well

No it is not a terrible advise. Because if one is putting in his heard earned money we should advise him to get a satisfactory build instead of a compromised one for over a long term usage. And if one has to wait longer to get worth his money he definitely should if possible. Nothing in this generation is recommended for 4K gaming in the Mid-range. So yes it is absolutely worth it to wait for next generation.

Ridge is really good for a compact Gaming Build as well. It is not crazy restrictive for airflow in the top compartment for GPU and with CPU cooler sitting close to the top plate the air it pulls from front will be efficiently pushed out through the case.

 

[Aeacus]

Is it not worth it to upgrade to the 14 series whilst making the necessary replacements i.e. mobo and AIO?

In my Intel build suggestion, you can only replace CPU to 14th gen and all other components are compatible. No need to change the MoBo or included AIO with NR200P case.

Reason why i didn't put 14th gen into, are:
* MoBo needs latest BIOS for 14th gen CPU. So, BIOS update may be inevitable. And BIOS update, if it fails, will brick the MoBo. So, not much point in risking that.
* i7-14700K is 65 bucks more than i7-13700K, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/Mm6p99,BmWJ7P/ while on 4K gaming there isn't any performance increase;
i7-14700K review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-14700k/20.html

So, for extra 65 bucks, you do not gain any performance; do gain severe risk of bricking the MoBo with BIOS update and maybe feel a bit more proud that you have 14th gen CPU, rather than 13th gen CPU. Your call in the end.

Also is there much of a difference between the 2 series of GPUs?

You mean your Sapphire and my MSI suggestion?

Sapphire version has base clocks of 2119 MHz and boost clocks of 2680 MHz.
MSI suggestion has base clocks of 1929 MHz and boost clocks of 2498 MHz while being 130 bucks cheaper.

Might as well use MSI Afterburner and OC the MSI suggested GPU to the levels of Sapphire and save 130 bucks. But if you have money to burn and aren't bothered wasting time on GPU OC, sure, you can get Sapphire too.
Personally, for 130 bucks, i'd either pocket it, or get more storage/RAM. Going with better CPU (Core i9) is also possible but that AIO would struggle to cool that damn thing. With Core i9, running at 95C is the norm.

But yes please hold off on GPU and keep adding to the budget as much as you can till then. If you already have a PC that is working fine then I would recommend holding off the entire build till next gen GPUs release. But if you need a PC to get you going and have nothing else to work with I recommend skipping GPU for now and using the integrated GPU for now.

That's a poor advice. It's not where RTX 50-series is a week away, for to suggest holding back on it. All we know, RTX 50-series MIGHT release Q4 2024. No-one knows. What are out there, are rumors. Heck, it may not come even before 2025.

By that time, Intel 15gen should also arrive (Q4 2024). Same with Ryzen 8000-series non-G (Q3-Q4 2024). I don't see you talking to hold back on PC purchase in favor of that.

Thing is, OP needs the PC right now. Not 3 months in future. Not 6 months in future. Not 1 year in future.
My take on this is - get what is currently available and use it until dissatisfied. Once that point is reached (usually 3-5 years time), get what is available then. Never wait for something, especially when you have nothing to begin with and you need it right now.

 

[King Dranzer]

That's a poor advice. It's not where RTX 50-series is a week away, for to suggest holding back on it. All we know, RTX 50-series MIGHT release Q4 2024. No-one knows. What are out there, are rumors. Heck, it may not come even before 2025.

By that time, Intel 15gen should also arrive (Q4 2024). Same with Ryzen 8000-series non-G (Q3-Q4 2024). I don't see you talking to hold back on PC purchase in favor of that.

Thing is, OP needs the PC right now. Not 3 months in future. Not 6 months in future. Not 1 year in future.
My take on this is - get what is currently available and use it until dissatisfied. Once that point is reached (usually 3-5 years time), get what is available then. Never wait for something, especially when you have nothing to begin with and you need it right now.

Not a poor advise at all. Unless one doesn't care for the money they are spending. See it may be fine for a person who purchase or upgrades every Generation. For those guys I guess it is fine. But for one who wants to spend on a PC that he wants to use for over a long period of time one should spend on it wisely and not rush it. One should consider all the options for what is gonna get him best returns for his expenditure. And only months away from the release of next Gen of GPUs specially with a good 55%+ bump on RTX5080 over RTX4080 and 70% improvement for RTX5090 over RTX4090 he should surely wait for the next Gen.

Yes RTX5000 series is releasing this year only. Early Q4. 4months away. So yes absolutely worth the wait if one wants best value for his money.

And also if he needs a PC right now then I did give him option of purchasing the Build minus the GPU and using integrated GPU for few months. And then throwing in next Gen GPU when it releases.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

A bit over 2k for the 14700k and 4080 super combo:

get the 14600k if you want to stay within 2k.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor ($399.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Alphacool Core Ocean T38 62.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.00 @ ModMyMods)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760I AORUS PRO DDR4 Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($53.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($123.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY VERTO OC GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($990.64 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 2000D AIRFLOW Mini ITX Tower Case ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair SF1000L 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2062.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-07 02:19 EDT-0400


AMD Combo:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($362.56 @ MemoryC)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($37.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650I AORUS ULTRA Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($87.39 @ Amazon)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($123.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card ($926.77 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 2000D AIRFLOW Mini ITX Tower Case ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair SF1000L 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($156.96 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: HYTE flow FA12 72 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack ($21.50 @ Newegg)
Total: $2062.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-07 05:36 EDT-0400

 

[Aeacus]

And only months away from the release of next Gen of GPUs specially with a good 55%+ bump on RTX5080 over RTX4080 and 70% improvement for RTX5090 over RTX4090 he should surely wait for the next Gen.

Any proof to these claims? Other than your word? 🙄

Early Q4. 4months away.

Your math is wrong. You say 4 months. Currently it is May (5th month) + 4 months = September (9th month) and that is Q3 2024.
Q4 2024 or Q1 2025 is more realistic;

We haven’t heard any specifics from Nvidia about the release date just yet, but most estimates pin the launch of Blackwell around the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025.

and 70% improvement for RTX5090 over RTX4090

70% improvement of 5090 over 4090 isn't realistic. Maybe only in your dreams.

According to Moore’s Law Is Dead, the performance uplift between Ada and Blackwell may not be major. The YouTuber’s source mentioned that “Blackwell’s rasterization uplift over Ada will not be as impressive as [from] Ampere to Ada.” However, the source also said that Nvidia could make the RTX 5090 feel like a similar uplift “if it felt threatened.” That seems unlikely, seeing as AMD is reportedly stepping down from making high-end GPUs in the next generation, potentially leaving Nvidia as the only source of high-end graphics cards for the next couple of years.

Based on the above, we might be looking at performance gains along the lines of 30% to 50% for the flagship.

Source: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-50-series-release-date-price-news-rumors/

One should consider all the options for what is gonna get him best returns for his expenditure.

If one is after value (price to performance ratio), then one should not look towards high-end GPUs, since those have the worst value. Instead, best value is with 1080p GPUs, like: RTX 4060 or RX 7600.

Might as well say to wait until Q4 2025/Q1 2026 and when RTX 50-series refresh comes, since then "you'll get even better value".

We don't know the exact names or models Nvidia plans for the next generation Blackwell parts. We're confident we'll have RTX 5090, RTX 5080, RTX 5070, and RTX 5060 cards, and probably some combination of Ti and/or Super variants. Some of those variants will undoubtedly come out during the mid-cycle refresh in late 2025 or early 2026.

And then, there is of course the issue of availability. Can you guarantee to the OP, that once RTX 50-series launches and everyone are going after it (including GPU scalpers), OP can buy one?
Since if not, then OP have wasted a lot of time waiting, due to your hollow claims. And i'm sure that you will not put your wallet where your mouth is, by reimbursing OP of any damages your advice caused them.

 

[King Dranzer]

Any proof to these claims? Other than your word? 🙄


Your math is wrong. You say 4 months. Currently it is May (5th month) + 4 months = September (9th month) and that is Q3 2024.
Q4 2024 or Q1 2025 is more realistic;



70% improvement of 5090 over 4090 isn't realistic. Maybe only in your dreams.

Source: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-50-series-release-date-price-news-rumors/


If one is after value (price to performance ratio), then one should not look towards high-end GPUs, since those have the worst value. Instead, best value is with 1080p GPUs, like: RTX 4060 or RX 7600.

Might as well say to wait until Q4 2025/Q1 2026 and when RTX 50-series refresh comes, since then "you'll get even better value".


And then, there is of course the issue of availability. Can you guarantee to the OP, that once RTX 50-series launches and everyone are going after it (including GPU scalpers), OP can buy one?
Since if not, then OP have wasted a lot of time waiting, due to your hollow claims. And i'm sure that you will not put your wallet where your mouth is, by reimbursing OP of any damages your advice caused them.

It be Early Q4 2024. And seriously when this close one should absolutely wait for Next gen. And if OP needs a PC right now and got nothing at all. As I said before he should use integrated GPU for few months. See besides games everything else gonna be at 4K anyways even with iGPU. For Games he should manage by running games at 720p. Yes he can absolutely do that few months. It is better to save and go for next gen GPU with such high performance gains.

 

[Aeacus]

It is better to save and go for next gen GPU with such high performance gains.

It is unknown how much better RTX 50-series is going to be over RTX 40-series. So, can't rely on that. Also, RTX 50-series will cost more than RTX 40-series, whereby (knowing Nvidia) there won't be any value gains. Usually it is 60% price increase with 30% performance increase, whereby previous gen GPU is better value wise. And sometimes, next gen GPU is actually worse than previous gen GPU. Prime example would be RTX 4060 Ti, which is waste of silicone.

Price wise, RTX 4090 launched at $1600 and climbed shortly to $2000. Some AIB models even at $2200.
RTX 5090 is expected to launch at $1800 and as history has shown us, it's price most likely will climb past $2000 as well. $2000 is the entire OP's budget, for entire PC, not just for one GPU.

And then, there's power consumption. Speculation for RTX 5090 is anywhere between 600W and 900W. If OP goes with NR200P, then it comes with 850W unit, which is nowhere near enough to power RTX 4090, let alone RTX 5090. So, OP would need to buy bigger PSU as well. SFX PSUs go up to 1000W, which isn't enough to power 5090. So, ATX PSU is needed, which will be too big for mini-ITX case. So, OP would need to then buy bigger PC case as well, completely ruining their idea of portable PC.
And all that for what? So that you can feel good that someone eventually listened you, to gain what? Few more FPS? Have you actually calculated how much it is all going to cost?

 

[kira-faye]

No it is not a terrible advise. Because if one is putting in his heard earned money we should advise him to get a satisfactory build instead of a compromised one for over a long term usage. And if one has to wait longer to get worth his money he definitely should if possible. Nothing in this generation is recommended for 4K gaming in the Mid-range. So yes it is absolutely worth it to wait for next generation.

Ridge is really good for a compact Gaming Build as well. It is not crazy restrictive for airflow in the top compartment for GPU and with CPU cooler sitting close to the top plate the air it pulls from front will be efficiently pushed out through the case.

It's a low profile heatsink on a notoriously difficult to cool chip no matter if you're going AMD or Intel, which means it's going to be obnoxiously loud more often than not. It's a wide, flat case that's going to be hard to get in and out of a bag and will be moved often. It's pure speculation on a card that hasn't even been officially announced yet, much less specs or a release date given, and you're effectively telling the OP to add $1000+ to a $2000 budget, which is already sufficient.

So yes, very bad advice all around, as many others have already gone out of their way to tell you.

 

[logainofhades]

The build as it is, does not happen.

CM NR200P PC case, namely the AIO in it, supports Intel up to LGA 1700 and AMD up to AM4. So, AM5 is not compatible and won't happen.

The AIO uses AMD's stock cooler retention system for mounting. There should be 0 reason it wouldn't work with AM5.

https://coolermaster.egnyte.com/dl/08QSK8tKoO

 

[King Dranzer]

It is unknown how much better RTX 50-series is going to be over RTX 40-series. So, can't rely on that. Also, RTX 50-series will cost more than RTX 40-series, whereby (knowing Nvidia) there won't be any value gains. Usually it is 60% price increase with 30% performance increase, whereby previous gen GPU is better value wise. And sometimes, next gen GPU is actually worse than previous gen GPU. Prime example would be RTX 4060 Ti, which is waste of silicone.

Price wise, RTX 4090 launched at $1600 and climbed shortly to $2000. Some AIB models even at $2200.
RTX 5090 is expected to launch at $1800 and as history has shown us, it's price most likely will climb past $2000 as well. $2000 is the entire OP's budget, for entire PC, not just for one GPU.

And then, there's power consumption. Speculation for RTX 5090 is anywhere between 600W and 900W. If OP goes with NR200P, then it comes with 850W unit, which is nowhere near enough to power RTX 4090, let alone RTX 5090. So, OP would need to buy bigger PSU as well. SFX PSUs go up to 1000W, which isn't enough to power 5090. So, ATX PSU is needed, which will be too big for mini-ITX case. So, OP would need to then buy bigger PC case as well, completely ruining their idea of portable PC.
And all that for what? So that you can feel good that someone eventually listened you, to gain what? Few more FPS? Have you actually calculated how much it is all going to cost?

You are absolutely correct about RTX5090 consuming up-to 600W. 900W not so much. Yes with that 600W consumption 1000W PSU be enough with 7800X3D if it was Intel i7 or i9 then that would have been an issue but 7800X3D is not crazy on power draw like them. For that combo 1000W PSU is absolutely sufficient. And yes RTX5090 will not consume more than 600W. That be the max.

It's a low profile heatsink on a notoriously difficult to cool chip no matter if you're going AMD or Intel, which means it's going to be obnoxiously loud more often than not. It's a wide, flat case that's going to be hard to get in and out of a bag and will be moved often. It's pure speculation on as card that hasn't even been officially announced yet, much less specs or a release date given, and you're effectively telling the OP to add $1000+ to a $2000 budget, which is already sufficient.

So yes, very bad advice all around, as many others have already gone out of their way to tell you.

That is a really good CPU Cooler and can easily handle loads under 200W and maintain temps under 80C. Please check out it's reviews and you will surely agree on that. Yes if it was i7 or i9 then it would not have been sufficient. But it is 7800X3D. That cooler is more than sufficient for it.

 

[Andrew CC]

In my Intel build suggestion, you can only replace CPU to 14th gen and all other components are compatible. No need to change the MoBo or included AIO with NR200P case.

Reason why i didn't put 14th gen into, are:
* MoBo needs latest BIOS for 14th gen CPU. So, BIOS update may be inevitable. And BIOS update, if it fails, will brick the MoBo. So, not much point in risking that.
* i7-14700K is 65 bucks more than i7-13700K, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/Mm6p99,BmWJ7P/ while on 4K gaming there isn't any performance increase;
i7-14700K review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-14700k/20.html

So, for extra 65 bucks, you do not gain any performance; do gain severe risk of bricking the MoBo with BIOS update and maybe feel a bit more proud that you have 14th gen CPU, rather than 13th gen CPU. Your call in the end.


You mean your Sapphire and my MSI suggestion?

Sapphire version has base clocks of 2119 MHz and boost clocks of 2680 MHz.
MSI suggestion has base clocks of 1929 MHz and boost clocks of 2498 MHz while being 130 bucks cheaper.

Might as well use MSI Afterburner and OC the MSI suggested GPU to the levels of Sapphire and save 130 bucks. But if you have money to burn and aren't bothered wasting time on GPU OC, sure, you can get Sapphire too.
Personally, for 130 bucks, i'd either pocket it, or get more storage/RAM. Going with better CPU (Core i9) is also possible but that AIO would struggle to cool that damn thing. With Core i9, running at 95C is the norm.


That's a poor advice. It's not where RTX 50-series is a week away, for to suggest holding back on it. All we know, RTX 50-series MIGHT release Q4 2024. No-one knows. What are out there, are rumors. Heck, it may not come even before 2025.

By that time, Intel 15gen should also arrive (Q4 2024). Same with Ryzen 8000-series non-G (Q3-Q4 2024). I don't see you talking to hold back on PC purchase in favor of that.

Thing is, OP needs the PC right now. Not 3 months in future. Not 6 months in future. Not 1 year in future.
My take on this is - get what is currently available and use it until dissatisfied. Once that point is reached (usually 3-5 years time), get what is available then. Never wait for something, especially when you have nothing to begin with and you need it right now.

Thanks for clearing that up! Your explanation makes a TON of sense. I’ll move forward using this.

 

[Andrew CC]

... Telling someone who wants to build a machine now that they should wait 6 months to a year is terrible advice.

The Ridge is better suited to an entertainment center than a backpack.

That HSF is terrible.



7800X3D
48 or 64GB fast DDR5, ideally on your motherboard's QVL list
ITX board of your choice
Lian-Li A4-H2O case
240mm AIO of your choice (I typically recommend Thermalright - make sure the pump block isn't too tall)
7900XTX that's on the biggest sale when you buy and fits the case
4TB WD Black SN850X or Samsung 980/990/whatever
1kw SFX PSU that reviews well

Love the input, plus I think that case looks pretty awesome. For now I’d probably just start with the 2x16gb, but I’ll take your advice and increase it in the future!

 

[Andrew CC]

A bit over 2k for the 14700k and 4080 super combo:

get the 14600k if you want to stay within 2k.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor ($399.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Alphacool Core Ocean T38 62.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.00 @ ModMyMods)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760I AORUS PRO DDR4 Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($53.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($123.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY VERTO OC GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($990.64 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 2000D AIRFLOW Mini ITX Tower Case ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair SF1000L 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2062.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-07 02:19 EDT-0400


AMD Combo:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($362.56 @ MemoryC)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($37.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650I AORUS ULTRA Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($87.39 @ Amazon)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($123.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card ($926.77 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 2000D AIRFLOW Mini ITX Tower Case ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair SF1000L 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($156.96 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: HYTE flow FA12 72 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack ($21.50 @ Newegg)
Total: $2062.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-07 05:36 EDT-0400

Awesome lists! Will definitely be saving them.

 

[kira-faye]

Love the input, plus I think that case looks pretty awesome. For now I’d probably just start with the 2x16gb, but I’ll take your advice and increase it in the future!

It's a great case (I own two) but tricky to work in. Maybe not the best choice for a first ITX build, but far from the worst. Clearances are well documented, so do the research and make sure everything you buy will fit.