2 Hard Drives - 2 Oper. Sys??

JimD

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Thanks in advance to all that reply.

Using a Dell 4100, Maxtor 20GB HDD (original), Maxtor 60GB
HDD (new)

I want to install a larger hard drive with Windows XP Home
Edition and also use the original one with either Windows
XP HE or Windows Me loaded. Yes, I do want to have the
choice of seperate OS and drives at bootup. I have the
following questions:

1. Can I install both of them on the same ATA cable with
each configured as a Master? (I know how to set the drive
jumpers - not sure if they can be on the same cable.)

2. Windows XP Home Edition, I believe, allows the OS to
be installed on a laptop as well as the primary computer.
Can I load that same OS on both HDDs instead of a laptop?

3. I recently read an article that addressed multiple OS
on a single partitioned HDD. It stated to install the
older Windows version first. Is this necessary if using
two HDDs instead of one HDD partioned?

4. I have recently seen an article that mentioned "...
the dual boot menu." What is this and where can I find
info on it's use?

Thanks,
Jim D.
 
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1. You'll need to set your drive jumper settings to Master for
one drive and Slave for the other drive.

2. No, you can only install Windows XP once. A second
installation requires a second license, regardless if it
is installed on the same computer.

3. You'll need to install Windows ME first, then install
Windows XP on the other drive.

4. Installing Windows XP after installing Windows ME will
automatically create a dual-boot loader. After XP is installed,
a menu selection will appear when booting your computer,
providing an option to boot to Windows XP or Windows ME.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"JimD" wrote:

Thanks in advance to all that reply.
|
| Using a Dell 4100, Maxtor 20GB HDD (original), Maxtor 60GB
| HDD (new)
|
| I want to install a larger hard drive with Windows XP Home
| Edition and also use the original one with either Windows
| XP HE or Windows Me loaded. Yes, I do want to have the
| choice of seperate OS and drives at bootup. I have the
| following questions:
|
| 1. Can I install both of them on the same ATA cable with
| each configured as a Master? (I know how to set the drive
| jumpers - not sure if they can be on the same cable.)
|
| 2. Windows XP Home Edition, I believe, allows the OS to
| be installed on a laptop as well as the primary computer.
| Can I load that same OS on both HDDs instead of a laptop?
|
| 3. I recently read an article that addressed multiple OS
| on a single partitioned HDD. It stated to install the
| older Windows version first. Is this necessary if using
| two HDDs instead of one HDD partioned?
|
| 4. I have recently seen an article that mentioned "...
| the dual boot menu." What is this and where can I find
| info on it's use?
|
| Thanks,
| Jim D.
 
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Thanks Carey for the quick and concise reply.

Concerning the Master / Slave issue, Item 1. I thought I
understood that a second hard drive set as a Slave could
be used as data storage only, not as a bootable device?

Jim D.
>-----Original Message-----
>1. You'll need to set your drive jumper settings to
Master for
> one drive and Slave for the other drive.
>
>2. No, you can only install Windows XP once. A second
> installation requires a second license, regardless if
it
> is installed on the same computer.
>
>3. You'll need to install Windows ME first, then install
> Windows XP on the other drive.
>
>4. Installing Windows XP after installing Windows ME will
> automatically create a dual-boot loader. After XP
is installed,
> a menu selection will appear when booting your
computer,
> providing an option to boot to Windows XP or Windows
ME.
>
>--
>Carey Frisch
>Microsoft MVP
>Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.a
spx
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------
>
>"JimD" wrote:
>
>Thanks in advance to all that reply.
>|
>| Using a Dell 4100, Maxtor 20GB HDD (original), Maxtor
60GB
>| HDD (new)
>|
>| I want to install a larger hard drive with Windows XP
Home
>| Edition and also use the original one with either
Windows
>| XP HE or Windows Me loaded. Yes, I do want to have the
>| choice of seperate OS and drives at bootup. I have the
>| following questions:
>|
>| 1. Can I install both of them on the same ATA cable
with
>| each configured as a Master? (I know how to set the
drive
>| jumpers - not sure if they can be on the same cable.)
>|
>| 2. Windows XP Home Edition, I believe, allows the OS
to
>| be installed on a laptop as well as the primary
computer.
>| Can I load that same OS on both HDDs instead of a
laptop?
>|
>| 3. I recently read an article that addressed multiple
OS
>| on a single partitioned HDD. It stated to install the
>| older Windows version first. Is this necessary if
using
>| two HDDs instead of one HDD partioned?
>|
>| 4. I have recently seen an article that mentioned "...
>| the dual boot menu." What is this and where can I find
>| info on it's use?
>|
>| Thanks,
>| Jim D.
>.
>
 
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A second hard drive (slave) can be used any way you wish.
If you do not have the jumper installed as a slave, your BIOS
will not recognize it.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"JimD" wrote:

| Thanks Carey for the quick and concise reply.
|
| Concerning the Master / Slave issue, Item 1. I thought I
| understood that a second hard drive set as a Slave could
| be used as data storage only, not as a bootable device?
|
| Jim D.
 
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Hi, Carey - and Jim.

Excellent explanation, but with a slight clarification of some terminology
that can be confusing...

> 3. You'll need to install Windows ME first, then install
> Windows XP on the other drive.

The term "drive" is used SO ambiguously! :>(

A single HDD can be divided into up to 4 partitions, of which ONE can be an
extended partition, with the others being "primary partitions". Within the
extended partition, we can create one or more "logical drives". Each
primary partition and each logical drive can be assigned a "drive" letter
and formatted independently of all other "drives". To cut down on the
confusion, I like to refer to each primary partition and logical drive as a
"volume".

Each Windows installation should be on a separate volume. Neither WinME nor
WinXP cares whether it is on the master or slave HD, or in a primary
partition or a logical drive, just so long as they are not both in the same
volume.

But no matter how many HDs or volumes you have or how many installations of
Windows, both WinME and WinXP must put its few "system files" in the "system
partition", which is almost always Drive C:. For MS-DOS and Win9x/ME, the
system files are io.sys and msdos.sys; for WinXP (and other NT-based
Windows), the system files are NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM and boot.ini. The
computer will start with Drive C:, read the system files to see whether to
boot WinME or WinXP, then branch to whichever drive/partition/folder is
pointed to by C:\boot.ini.

In response to your later comment, Jim, the term "boot" is also used
ambiguously. As many writers have pointed out, we boot from the system
partition and keep our operating system files in the boot volume. There are
legacy reasons for the counterintuitive terminology; no sense fighting it,
just deal with it. Both WinME and WinXP use \Windows as the default name
for their "boot folders", which they put into whatever you designate as the
"boot volume", which may or may not be the same as the system partition. A
common arrangement is to have WinME in C:\Windows and WinXP in D:\Windows -
or one of them in X:\Windows.

And always, as Carey says, install the newest Windows last. WinXP knows
just how to handle WinME, but WinME never heard of WinXP and has no idea how
to create a dual boot.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
Microsoft Windows MVP

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uz8VTJgiEHA.2624@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> 1. You'll need to set your drive jumper settings to Master for
> one drive and Slave for the other drive.
>
> 2. No, you can only install Windows XP once. A second
> installation requires a second license, regardless if it
> is installed on the same computer.
>
> 3. You'll need to install Windows ME first, then install
> Windows XP on the other drive.
>
> 4. Installing Windows XP after installing Windows ME will
> automatically create a dual-boot loader. After XP is installed,
> a menu selection will appear when booting your computer,
> providing an option to boot to Windows XP or Windows ME.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
> "JimD" wrote:
>
> Thanks in advance to all that reply.
> |
> | Using a Dell 4100, Maxtor 20GB HDD (original), Maxtor 60GB
> | HDD (new)
> |
> | I want to install a larger hard drive with Windows XP Home
> | Edition and also use the original one with either Windows
> | XP HE or Windows Me loaded. Yes, I do want to have the
> | choice of seperate OS and drives at bootup. I have the
> | following questions:
> |
> | 1. Can I install both of them on the same ATA cable with
> | each configured as a Master? (I know how to set the drive
> | jumpers - not sure if they can be on the same cable.)
> |
> | 2. Windows XP Home Edition, I believe, allows the OS to
> | be installed on a laptop as well as the primary computer.
> | Can I load that same OS on both HDDs instead of a laptop?
> |
> | 3. I recently read an article that addressed multiple OS
> | on a single partitioned HDD. It stated to install the
> | older Windows version first. Is this necessary if using
> | two HDDs instead of one HDD partioned?
> |
> | 4. I have recently seen an article that mentioned "...
> | the dual boot menu." What is this and where can I find
> | info on it's use?
> |
> | Thanks,
> | Jim D.
 
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I just upgraded to XP and now I get the dual boot loader.
What is the safest way to uninstall ME and get rid of the
dual boot while transferring all the other programs
installed with ME to XP?

I have a compaq 5106cl. That hard drive was partitioned
into two, C and D. Windows ME was somehow damaged (it
performed poorly anyway) so I installed XP on drive D so
that I would be able to recover some important files on
drive C. Is it necessary to wipe the whole PC clean and
re-format or is there an easier way?


>-----Original Message-----
>1. You'll need to set your drive jumper settings to
Master for
> one drive and Slave for the other drive.
>
>2. No, you can only install Windows XP once. A second
> installation requires a second license, regardless
if it
> is installed on the same computer.
>
>3. You'll need to install Windows ME first, then install
> Windows XP on the other drive.
>
>4. Installing Windows XP after installing Windows ME
will
> automatically create a dual-boot loader. After XP
is installed,
> a menu selection will appear when booting your
computer,
> providing an option to boot to Windows XP or
Windows ME.
>
>--
>Carey Frisch
>Microsoft MVP
>Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.
aspx
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------
>
>"JimD" wrote:
>
>Thanks in advance to all that reply.
>|
>| Using a Dell 4100, Maxtor 20GB HDD (original), Maxtor
60GB
>| HDD (new)
>|
>| I want to install a larger hard drive with Windows XP
Home
>| Edition and also use the original one with either
Windows
>| XP HE or Windows Me loaded. Yes, I do want to have
the
>| choice of seperate OS and drives at bootup. I have
the
>| following questions:
>|
>| 1. Can I install both of them on the same ATA cable
with
>| each configured as a Master? (I know how to set the
drive
>| jumpers - not sure if they can be on the same cable.)
>|
>| 2. Windows XP Home Edition, I believe, allows the OS
to
>| be installed on a laptop as well as the primary
computer.
>| Can I load that same OS on both HDDs instead of a
laptop?
>|
>| 3. I recently read an article that addressed multiple
OS
>| on a single partitioned HDD. It stated to install the
>| older Windows version first. Is this necessary if
using
>| two HDDs instead of one HDD partioned?
>|
>| 4. I have recently seen an article that
mentioned "...
>| the dual boot menu." What is this and where can I
find
>| info on it's use?
>|
>| Thanks,
>| Jim D.
>.
>
 
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Carey and R.C.,

Many thanks to both of you. The information you have
provided will help me tremendously. The generalization of
terms, or ambiguity that R.C. referred to, is one of the
primary reasons I came here for clarification. If I say
puppy you may envision a St. Bernard while I'm thinking
Beagle.

Again - thanks to both.

Regards,
Jim Dahlstrom
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi, Carey - and Jim.
>
>Excellent explanation, but with a slight clarification of
some terminology
>that can be confusing...
>
>> 3. You'll need to install Windows ME first, then install
>> Windows XP on the other drive.
>
>The term "drive" is used SO ambiguously! :>(
>
>A single HDD can be divided into up to 4 partitions, of
which ONE can be an
>extended partition, with the others being "primary
partitions". Within the
>extended partition, we can create one or more "logical
drives". Each
>primary partition and each logical drive can be assigned
a "drive" letter
>and formatted independently of all other "drives". To
cut down on the
>confusion, I like to refer to each primary partition and
logical drive as a
>"volume".
>
>Each Windows installation should be on a separate
volume. Neither WinME nor
>WinXP cares whether it is on the master or slave HD, or
in a primary
>partition or a logical drive, just so long as they are
not both in the same
>volume.
>
>But no matter how many HDs or volumes you have or how
many installations of
>Windows, both WinME and WinXP must put its few "system
files" in the "system
>partition", which is almost always Drive C:. For MS-DOS
and Win9x/ME, the
>system files are io.sys and msdos.sys; for WinXP (and
other NT-based
>Windows), the system files are NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM and
boot.ini. The
>computer will start with Drive C:, read the system files
to see whether to
>boot WinME or WinXP, then branch to whichever
drive/partition/folder is
>pointed to by C:\boot.ini.
>
>In response to your later comment, Jim, the term "boot"
is also used
>ambiguously. As many writers have pointed out, we boot
from the system
>partition and keep our operating system files in the boot
volume. There are
>legacy reasons for the counterintuitive terminology; no
sense fighting it,
>just deal with it. Both WinME and WinXP use \Windows as
the default name
>for their "boot folders", which they put into whatever
you designate as the
>"boot volume", which may or may not be the same as the
system partition. A
>common arrangement is to have WinME in C:\Windows and
WinXP in D:\Windows -
>or one of them in X:\Windows.
>
>And always, as Carey says, install the newest Windows
last. WinXP knows
>just how to handle WinME, but WinME never heard of WinXP
and has no idea how
>to create a dual boot.
>
>RC
>--
>R. C. White, CPA
>San Marcos, TX
>rc@corridor.net
>Microsoft Windows MVP
>
>"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <mrxp2004@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in
message
>news:uz8VTJgiEHA.2624@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> 1. You'll need to set your drive jumper settings to
Master for
>> one drive and Slave for the other drive.
>>
>> 2. No, you can only install Windows XP once. A second
>> installation requires a second license, regardless
if it
>> is installed on the same computer.
>>
>> 3. You'll need to install Windows ME first, then install
>> Windows XP on the other drive.
>>
>> 4. Installing Windows XP after installing Windows ME
will
>> automatically create a dual-boot loader. After XP
is installed,
>> a menu selection will appear when booting your
computer,
>> providing an option to boot to Windows XP or
Windows ME.
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>>
>> "JimD" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks in advance to all that reply.
>> |
>> | Using a Dell 4100, Maxtor 20GB HDD (original), Maxtor
60GB
>> | HDD (new)
>> |
>> | I want to install a larger hard drive with Windows XP
Home
>> | Edition and also use the original one with either
Windows
>> | XP HE or Windows Me loaded. Yes, I do want to have
the
>> | choice of seperate OS and drives at bootup. I have
the
>> | following questions:
>> |
>> | 1. Can I install both of them on the same ATA cable
with
>> | each configured as a Master? (I know how to set the
drive
>> | jumpers - not sure if they can be on the same cable.)
>> |
>> | 2. Windows XP Home Edition, I believe, allows the OS
to
>> | be installed on a laptop as well as the primary
computer.
>> | Can I load that same OS on both HDDs instead of a
laptop?
>> |
>> | 3. I recently read an article that addressed
multiple OS
>> | on a single partitioned HDD. It stated to install the
>> | older Windows version first. Is this necessary if
using
>> | two HDDs instead of one HDD partioned?
>> |
>> | 4. I have recently seen an article that
mentioned "...
>> | the dual boot menu." What is this and where can I
find
>> | info on it's use?
>> |
>> | Thanks,
>> | Jim D.
>
>.
>
 
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:56:39 -0700, Les Dudiss wrote:

> I just upgraded to XP and now I get the dual boot loader.
> What is the safest way to uninstall ME and get rid of the
> dual boot while transferring all the other programs
> installed with ME to XP?
>
> I have a compaq 5106cl. That hard drive was partitioned
> into two, C and D. Windows ME was somehow damaged (it
> performed poorly anyway) so I installed XP on drive D so
> that I would be able to recover some important files on
> drive C. Is it necessary to wipe the whole PC clean and
> re-format or is there an easier way?

A good article on removing ME from a ME/XP dual boot setup:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html#remov1
--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User
 
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I would to add my 2 cents. I wanted to be able to use win98se and winXP.
To avoid any confusion I went to mobile trays, one for each HD. I have XP
Pro on one and Win98SE on the other. It takes about 15 seconds to change
HDs and go from OS to the other and there is no conflict to worry about.
Good Luck
"Sharon F" <sharonfDEL@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
news:eVn3WvriEHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:56:39 -0700, Les Dudiss wrote:
>
> > I just upgraded to XP and now I get the dual boot loader.
> > What is the safest way to uninstall ME and get rid of the
> > dual boot while transferring all the other programs
> > installed with ME to XP?
> >
> > I have a compaq 5106cl. That hard drive was partitioned
> > into two, C and D. Windows ME was somehow damaged (it
> > performed poorly anyway) so I installed XP on drive D so
> > that I would be able to recover some important files on
> > drive C. Is it necessary to wipe the whole PC clean and
> > re-format or is there an easier way?
>
> A good article on removing ME from a ME/XP dual boot setup:
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html#remov1
> --
> Sharon F
> MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User