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lol i still want one .. look how many ipod touch apps that are out there you think people will just sit back and not want to make more money by making apps for the ipad ... its not going any where and trust me when i say this its going to be a awesome piece of hardware .. you know whats wrong with some people the biggest complaint i have heard about it is that it dose not support Micro sd or sd cards but really why would you need it. 99 percent of you will already have it on your desktops .. and just like the iphone you either need to have a desktop or a labtop just to be able to register and use an ipad and then you gotta put all the videos and music and your books and apps on it .. I just do not see why a simple usb thumb drive wont suffice! also if you dont like the touch aspect there is a apple keyboard you can use to type with even has a vertical stand mount to use instead of the touch screen personally i like the touch screen it just takes getting used too i mean thats the only complaint i see no universal media drive ports but as i said before you wont need one ..... correct me if im wrong but a lot of mainstream lcd plasma and led tv's all have usb ports and pc inputs if you get the decent ones .. whats to stop you from using them for your photos ! lol i know i can do it on my sony! haha
I worked for UPS as a holiday part timer back in 1993. They were using a digtal signature pad that also had the info for the deliveries loaded onto it. I see many posts here saying implying this would be the best use for a tablet. I just wanted to bring up the fact that there has been something to do this for at least 16 years.
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Motion, Panasonic TB, Fujitsu, and HP have supplied quality tablets for quite some time that people snap up like hotcakes for their business, government and academic ventures.
I think the article meant to say 'slate' where it said 'tablet'. Although, graphics card models have proven to be too much for many readers, so I can see why you'd dumb it down beyond Enquirer levels.
I think the article meant to say 'slate' where it said 'tablet'. Although, graphics card models have proven to be too much for many readers, so I can see why you'd dumb it down beyond Enquirer levels.
I really don't see where the stylus/touch interface is better than a conventional keyboard and trackpad. When you close the lid of an 8.9" netbook, it's no bigger than a 9" slate anyway. Yet when opened it provides you with a proper keyboard (almost as good as normal laptop keyboards in some cases).
Well, used a table PC for a while. All of the above is basically true. TabletPC is mainly a toy for top executives that use it only to check their e-mail 
"Can you imagine pecking around with your finger on ultra-thin scroll bars and tiny buttons?"
The designers of Windows Mobile could
The designers of Windows Mobile could
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General problems with tablets not specific to the ipad
1: Touch screens whether you use a finger or a stylus will get scratched.
2: Because of the contact with the screen, a screen protector will be needed. screen protectors are already hard to add on to small mobile devices, imagine doing it for a 10-17 inch screen, screen protectors also scratch more easily and reduce picture quality especially in high light environments.
3: Very limited screen space and generally no keyboards in the more compact devices. Imagine having to pull up a large on screen keyboard on a tablet with a 10 inch screen, just like the ipad, it takes up most of the screen leaving very little space to see what you are typing into.
4: A tablet mush have a capacitive touch screen, resistive touch screens don't last as long as the digitizer layer eventually warps or collapses and before you know it, your touch screen no longer responds to touches, (the resistive touch screens also lack a uniform top layer since the digitizer has to be able to flex. this is a problem with high light situations), only problem is you cant have a accurate stylus with resistive touch screen. they require a much larger receptive field to be stimulated before you get a response.
5: Tablets are more expensive due to the touch screen technology. A technology that is not as efficient as a keyboard and mouse. A touch screen requires a lot more hand and arm movement; these movements are also slower.
6: Typing on a touch screen is hard even if you have a decent sized keyboard being displayed. this is because theres no tactile feedback, the surface is also flat this makes typing harder.
7: Even worst, fingerprints all over the screen, you will have to constantly clean your screen or suffer with countless smudges obstructing your view. especially in a high light environment, smudges become a white glare all over the screen making it nearly impossible to use.
1: Touch screens whether you use a finger or a stylus will get scratched.
2: Because of the contact with the screen, a screen protector will be needed. screen protectors are already hard to add on to small mobile devices, imagine doing it for a 10-17 inch screen, screen protectors also scratch more easily and reduce picture quality especially in high light environments.
3: Very limited screen space and generally no keyboards in the more compact devices. Imagine having to pull up a large on screen keyboard on a tablet with a 10 inch screen, just like the ipad, it takes up most of the screen leaving very little space to see what you are typing into.
4: A tablet mush have a capacitive touch screen, resistive touch screens don't last as long as the digitizer layer eventually warps or collapses and before you know it, your touch screen no longer responds to touches, (the resistive touch screens also lack a uniform top layer since the digitizer has to be able to flex. this is a problem with high light situations), only problem is you cant have a accurate stylus with resistive touch screen. they require a much larger receptive field to be stimulated before you get a response.
5: Tablets are more expensive due to the touch screen technology. A technology that is not as efficient as a keyboard and mouse. A touch screen requires a lot more hand and arm movement; these movements are also slower.
6: Typing on a touch screen is hard even if you have a decent sized keyboard being displayed. this is because theres no tactile feedback, the surface is also flat this makes typing harder.
7: Even worst, fingerprints all over the screen, you will have to constantly clean your screen or suffer with countless smudges obstructing your view. especially in a high light environment, smudges become a white glare all over the screen making it nearly impossible to use.
Now if we can have a capacitive multi-touch tablet with an OS with a GUI like http://10gui.com/ then we will be moving forward.
[citation][nom]dheadley[/nom]Imagine a hospital where instead of having to go to the nurses station and grab the proper chart, the doctor just calls up the patients charts, test results, x-rays, MRI or ultrasound pictures right there on the iPad. If he wants to add instructions for the nurses, order tests or change medications he can do it as he does his examination and on the other side of the hospital the pharmacy instantly gets an update, the nurses stations, labs etc are instantly alerted to make the necessary changes happen. Heck you could have patients who are on support equipment be able to be monitored from anywhere in the hospital, so that a doctor that just came out of hours of surgery could rest in his office and still have instant access to his recovering patient's condition.[/citation]
Maybe you havn't been to a modernized hospital in a while but my Doctors office/hospital already does this with tablet notebooks. To reiterate my first post, the companies who make viable products out of tablet PCs don't advertise to the masses. Why would they when they only need to advertise to the already niche market (in this case hospitals). The people who make consumer level tablet PCs simply don't advertise to the consumers.
Maybe you havn't been to a modernized hospital in a while but my Doctors office/hospital already does this with tablet notebooks. To reiterate my first post, the companies who make viable products out of tablet PCs don't advertise to the masses. Why would they when they only need to advertise to the already niche market (in this case hospitals). The people who make consumer level tablet PCs simply don't advertise to the consumers.
[citation][nom]nforce4max[/nom]They should at least add a few usb ports so that users could use a standard mouse and keyboard when they wished but still be able to be on the go and use a stylus then. If done right they would make great general use possible better yet multitasking as well the means to be able to hook up to a secondary monitor would be great at the office.[/citation]
The iPad has Bluetooth and supports the Apple Bluetooth keyboards. The UI is touch driven, not mouse driven, so why would you need a mouse?
The iPad has Bluetooth and supports the Apple Bluetooth keyboards. The UI is touch driven, not mouse driven, so why would you need a mouse?
Has anyone else seen this youtube video demo from Adobe of the HP Slate yet? It gives a good sneak peak of what it may be like to actually control the device. It does look like they changed the interface for it a bit, or at least the desktop and some windows menus.
Also looks like the app issue may be getting solved with the help of true flash support, it is Windows 7 after all, and they demo one from the NY Times, not my favorite, but it does show great potential and a great demo of what to expect from future releases from other companies with mixed content, i.e. tomshardware.com.
Oh and the Device still looks great! Almost the perfect size. Not to small. Not too big. Anyways, see for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-RZAwQq0E&feature=player_embedded#
Also looks like the app issue may be getting solved with the help of true flash support, it is Windows 7 after all, and they demo one from the NY Times, not my favorite, but it does show great potential and a great demo of what to expect from future releases from other companies with mixed content, i.e. tomshardware.com.
Oh and the Device still looks great! Almost the perfect size. Not to small. Not too big. Anyways, see for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-RZAwQq0E&feature=player_embedded#
I got a Toshiba tablet/laptop. It is totally useless outdoors as the screen is so dark that it becomes totally unusable. Biggest waste of money ever and it is less than 1 year old. Also, it is a bit on the heavy side. Tablets needs to be lighter and definitely have a proper pen interface, as an add on. (same way you have an add on in a media center environment). You should be able to do everything easily, I repeat, easily using just the pen. Same goes with smartphones. You should be able to do everything using one hand as with the normal phones that have the numeric pad.
Just to clear a few things up about the iPad:
1. It is not just iPhone OS... If you watch the full video announcement (not the advert) they completely re-wrote iPhone OS to take advantage of a 10" screen. It has a very slick user interface.
2. It is not underpowered. Nobody has been able to benchmark it yet but again if you bother to watch the full announcement and see iWork being demoed you would see its very very quick.
3. This article was spot on. Apple spent the cash and the years doing the R&D for a proper touch operating system.
4. All the people that got to use the iPad in person at the launch were totally knocked out by it.
5. This is not meant to be used as anything but a consumer device. For one thing it has no way to easily hold it while walking around and taking notes.
6. It has a very tough Glass screen like the iPhone not some cheap plastic notebook display. For every day home use it will be very rugged.
7. Its not another netbook... get over it.
1. It is not just iPhone OS... If you watch the full video announcement (not the advert) they completely re-wrote iPhone OS to take advantage of a 10" screen. It has a very slick user interface.
2. It is not underpowered. Nobody has been able to benchmark it yet but again if you bother to watch the full announcement and see iWork being demoed you would see its very very quick.
3. This article was spot on. Apple spent the cash and the years doing the R&D for a proper touch operating system.
4. All the people that got to use the iPad in person at the launch were totally knocked out by it.
5. This is not meant to be used as anything but a consumer device. For one thing it has no way to easily hold it while walking around and taking notes.
6. It has a very tough Glass screen like the iPhone not some cheap plastic notebook display. For every day home use it will be very rugged.
7. Its not another netbook... get over it.
A few years ago, when I had more money to burn, I bought a pure slate-style Tablet PC. A year later, I bought a convertible one. Both machines ran the Tablet PC version of Windows XP.
Aside from the other problems that have been mentioned, I discovered that a major weakness of these machines was their mechanical design and general lack of ruggedness. Something about tablets leads people to treat them less gently than laptops or netbooks. They tend to get tossed around a lot, as if they were a book or clipboard. I had two hard drive failures with the slate and the swivel hinge on the convertible broke after a few months. I also had problems with switches and power sockets coming loose after constant use.
(I also lost at least one stylus after forgetting to put it back in its slot at the end of a meeting.)
My conclusion: to be successful, a Tablet PC needs to be a rugged device, all solid-state with NO moving parts. And it should let you use your fingers instead of a stylus.
Aside from the other problems that have been mentioned, I discovered that a major weakness of these machines was their mechanical design and general lack of ruggedness. Something about tablets leads people to treat them less gently than laptops or netbooks. They tend to get tossed around a lot, as if they were a book or clipboard. I had two hard drive failures with the slate and the swivel hinge on the convertible broke after a few months. I also had problems with switches and power sockets coming loose after constant use.
(I also lost at least one stylus after forgetting to put it back in its slot at the end of a meeting.)
My conclusion: to be successful, a Tablet PC needs to be a rugged device, all solid-state with NO moving parts. And it should let you use your fingers instead of a stylus.
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"Cramming a full desktop OS into a tablet is pure laziness. Cramming a desktop OS into a tablet but rebuilding the user interface from the ground up? That's what needs to be done."
I agree with this, but if you are suggesting that this is what Apple is doing, I can't help but laugh.. I mean it is exactly a tweaked iPhone OS, with all its caveats. Tablets with a mouse/touchpad and keyboard would be preferable, where you can use it like a regular laptop and switch to the tablet view when you need to.
I agree with this, but if you are suggesting that this is what Apple is doing, I can't help but laugh.. I mean it is exactly a tweaked iPhone OS, with all its caveats. Tablets with a mouse/touchpad and keyboard would be preferable, where you can use it like a regular laptop and switch to the tablet view when you need to.
I have a Toshiba 12" tablet, and I love it. I can flip the screen around and over and read an ebook, or write on it like I would a notebook. If i need a keyboard, I can flip it around and use it as a regular laptop too. I just wish it was a little lighter.
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[citation][nom]CorkyAgain[/nom]My conclusion: to be successful, a Tablet PC needs to be a rugged device, all solid-state with NO moving parts. And it should let you use your fingers instead of a stylus.[/citation]
Seems totally reasonable to me. SSD could easily be integrated; although in a "convertible" I'm not sure how you could eliminate the hinge. Maybe some metal or carbon fiber construction for the casing/hinge. Stylus' suck. I buy the things in bulk for my kids' Nintendo ds systems...
Seems totally reasonable to me. SSD could easily be integrated; although in a "convertible" I'm not sure how you could eliminate the hinge. Maybe some metal or carbon fiber construction for the casing/hinge. Stylus' suck. I buy the things in bulk for my kids' Nintendo ds systems...
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[citation][nom]ThisIsMe[/nom]Has anyone else seen this youtube video demo from Adobe of the HP Slate yet? It gives a good sneak peak of what it may be like to actually control the device. It does look like they changed the interface for it a bit, or at least the desktop and some windows menus.Also looks like the app issue may be getting solved with the help of true flash support, it is Windows 7 after all, and they demo one from the NY Times, not my favorite, but it does show great potential and a great demo of what to expect from future releases from other companies with mixed content, i.e. tomshardware.com.Oh and the Device still looks great! Almost the perfect size. Not to small. Not too big. Anyways, see for yourself.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p- [...] _embedded#[/citation]
This is what tablets are for, OK previous tablets have been hard to work with because they are simply convertable laptops and that is just too large. This formfactor will work.
[citation][nom]wicko[/nom]"Cramming a full desktop OS into a tablet is pure laziness. Cramming a desktop OS into a tablet but rebuilding the user interface from the ground up? That's what needs to be done."I agree with this, but if you are suggesting that this is what Apple is doing, I can't help but laugh.. I mean it is exactly a tweaked iPhone OS, with all its caveats. Tablets with a mouse/touchpad and keyboard would be preferable, where you can use it like a regular laptop and switch to the tablet view when you need to.[/citation]
But those already exist, and Asus are making a converable tablet netbook so you can go wild.
For pure tablets though it is not lazy to have a full OS, what if it is your only computer device and at home you have it sat on a desk with connectors to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, external hard drives and optical drive. You would need a full OS to do all those other computer things, you could load it with your music or videos and take them on the go. Any of those things that the iPad can do, such as loading up videos or music, you need a PC to go with it as well. I know a lot of people whose only computer device is a netbook, the Slate could cannibalise the market.
This is what tablets are for, OK previous tablets have been hard to work with because they are simply convertable laptops and that is just too large. This formfactor will work.
[citation][nom]wicko[/nom]"Cramming a full desktop OS into a tablet is pure laziness. Cramming a desktop OS into a tablet but rebuilding the user interface from the ground up? That's what needs to be done."I agree with this, but if you are suggesting that this is what Apple is doing, I can't help but laugh.. I mean it is exactly a tweaked iPhone OS, with all its caveats. Tablets with a mouse/touchpad and keyboard would be preferable, where you can use it like a regular laptop and switch to the tablet view when you need to.[/citation]
But those already exist, and Asus are making a converable tablet netbook so you can go wild.
For pure tablets though it is not lazy to have a full OS, what if it is your only computer device and at home you have it sat on a desk with connectors to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, external hard drives and optical drive. You would need a full OS to do all those other computer things, you could load it with your music or videos and take them on the go. Any of those things that the iPad can do, such as loading up videos or music, you need a PC to go with it as well. I know a lot of people whose only computer device is a netbook, the Slate could cannibalise the market.
I've owned 2 tablet pc's, a Fujitsu 2300 and a Fujitsu 5011D. I found them great for casual internet browsing, if a little bulky. I really appreciated having full versions of the Windows OS when needed. I look forward to the next-gen super-thin OLED touchscreen tablets with a full Windows or Android OS and a standard laptop's peripheral support, when the price comes down.
My roommate turned me to the idea of using a tablet pc as my "school book", which i have now successfully been doing for over two years. The HP TX2 style laptops are by no means the best solution possible, but they are the best option I've found yet. At 12.1 inches, the laptop is small and light weight enough to carry around all day, yet the screen and processors are still big enough to play WOW or MW2. When I'm in class the screen flips around and i write all of my notes and read PDF based photo copies of my school text books that I took and converted myself. I don't carry around the otherwise 30lbs of books back and forth from work and school and home, I am NEVER without my school books or any of my notes. If I wanted to print a copy of the lecture notes i "hand wrote" for my calculus class, (including strange formulas you couldn't type with a laptop)from last semester, no problem, they are all saved in OneNote.
BUT... If i get tired of using a stylus to scroll around facebook or newegg, no problem again, i just flip the screen back up and use both the touch-pad/keyboard and the touch screen directly. The web has a drastically different feel and experience when you can literally point/touch your through browsing experience when you want this tab or that box, but then also have the benefits of using a touch pad to "scroll" through tons of blog posts.
I honestly think the solution is a better suited OS with the possible integration of cell phone coverage along with wifi, and an app store, but with all of the main uses of my normal windows 7 OS. After that, lighter weight and more robust hardware would be nice, but obviously I'm living without it already.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do;HHOJSID=qyZkLmWNyftqQM7JzlFlt9QvN2RLDkChBP4QLmYScLS3RRp9pvdQ!-672252445?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Ultra-Portable&series_name=tm2t_series&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/notebooks/Ultra-Portable/tm2t_series
BUT... If i get tired of using a stylus to scroll around facebook or newegg, no problem again, i just flip the screen back up and use both the touch-pad/keyboard and the touch screen directly. The web has a drastically different feel and experience when you can literally point/touch your through browsing experience when you want this tab or that box, but then also have the benefits of using a touch pad to "scroll" through tons of blog posts.
I honestly think the solution is a better suited OS with the possible integration of cell phone coverage along with wifi, and an app store, but with all of the main uses of my normal windows 7 OS. After that, lighter weight and more robust hardware would be nice, but obviously I'm living without it already.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do;HHOJSID=qyZkLmWNyftqQM7JzlFlt9QvN2RLDkChBP4QLmYScLS3RRp9pvdQ!-672252445?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Ultra-Portable&series_name=tm2t_series&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/notebooks/Ultra-Portable/tm2t_series
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