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As another one of the swarm (suckers?) waiting eagerly for the 448 core 560 TI to come out, I've got to wonder; how many people are ALSO waiting for this architecture to come out and how long until we actually see cards for the architecture? Is just the base architecture being unveiled on the 29th and THEN the companies will come in with their aftermarket coolers and overclocking tweaks or will they (ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, Zotac, etc.) just dump their stock of 560 TI 448 cores on the market that same day? It seems like it would be suicidal for them from a company perspective, if they wanted any of this potential market at all, and assuming there are a LOT of people waiting for these freaking cards to come out, NOT to release them on the 29th because that is when everyone will be searching for them and what we have all been led to believe will happen.

This is such a weird product launch, who is with me on this? The cards are essentially going to be marketed as the SAME as 560 TIs on the surface but are going to be completely different cards underneath the hoods (or so we have been led to believe). I mean how much better is it to have the G110 Silicon as opposed to the G114 Silicon on the older 560 TIs and down in the 500 series? What price point should we expect, ESPECIALLY if these cards come with just 1GB of VRAM? What will it do to the prices of NORMAL 560 TIs at, let's say, above $235-245? How are those cards going to be able to compete with a new price structure? And for god's sakes what about the 570 prices???? From the tech specs one can infer, though the one inferring in this case is a complete n00b for lack of a better term, that the 560 ti 448 CUDA is going to be at WORST 90% as powerful as a reference 570. I MEAN THIS IS MADNESS!!!!! SPARRRRTTAAAA GRAAAAAAAAAAAAA I AM GOING CRAZY OVER THIS STUPID FREAKING CARD ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!
 
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PS, id say get the ATI.

Why?

1) limited production of this card. SLI might be out of the question unless you buy 2 within a few months.

2) Performance boost vs 560ti doesnt warrant the extra cost, right now you can get a free game and such for around 220 or less on a 560ti and free shipping on the 900mhz EVGA card. These cards you get slightly better performance, an extra 256MB or so of video ram, but no free game, and a 8 dollar shipping card. So total extra cost is right around 80 bucks. Too much for what you are getting vs what you can get for a regular 560TI

The only possible con I can see with the ATI is the driver problems ive been hearing..and thats only hearsay.
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NewEgg - EVGA 012-P3-2066-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores FTW 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16

NewEgg - EVGA 012-P3-2068-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores Classified 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16

Although I'm still on the fence between one of those and one of these. According to all reviews, even the ones sorted by most recent, these are easily unlocked to 6970 shaders, etc.

I've been picking out parts for over a month now, and have everything nailed down except the motherboard and was waiting to see what happened with the release of this GPU. Thoughts?
 
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Not sure how the hell you found those lol. I was doing searches, and trying looking under their various 560ti lists, then 500 series lists...it would never show anything..hell even now it shows none of those cards under EVGA...i can only get to them via your links...weird.
 
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It's just not worth $300. Or well to be fair it would be a reasonable price at that if the 6950 didn't exist. But it does, and everything else is crap perf/$ because of that. Sorry to be a broken record but we all know it.
 
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PS, id say get the ATI.

Why?

1) limited production of this card. SLI might be out of the question unless you buy 2 within a few months.

2) Performance boost vs 560ti doesnt warrant the extra cost, right now you can get a free game and such for around 220 or less on a 560ti and free shipping on the 900mhz EVGA card. These cards you get slightly better performance, an extra 256MB or so of video ram, but no free game, and a 8 dollar shipping card. So total extra cost is right around 80 bucks. Too much for what you are getting vs what you can get for a regular 560TI

The only possible con I can see with the ATI is the driver problems ive been hearing..and thats only hearsay.
 
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I'd like to pretend like I have some hidden know-how, but honestly I've been all over tech forums this morning/afternoon digging up information on these cards, and someone linked those and I refuse to close the tabs in my browser just in case. :)

You plan on picking one of these up? Like I said, I'm still on the fence between this and an unlockable 6950.

Edit: I am, and have been leaning towards the ATI.
 
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Wow, this thread really got big since this morning...well they released these cards last night at some places on the east coast/canada but I haven't been able to find any since then and am still looking.
 
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Yea I just bought one via that link you gave me..so thanks lol. Im only buying it even with all the cons i listed above because my budget was always around 300 dollars. My maybe ignorant concern was Vram, i didnt think 1GB would be good enough for 1900x1200 or 1080 gaming in say..1-2 years time. while 1.2 isnt much better..it is better.

The only reason I wouldnt (and didnt) get that ATI card is because im wholly ignorant about ATI, last time i used them was with their RAGE FURY card. And i had a bad experience with it. im just used to dealing with EVGA and nvidia. Oh yea..and Im not a fan of dirt 3 lol.

PS, had i known about this link earlier I probably would of been able to get the card tomorrow if it shipped out of Memphis. oh well..Thursday is fine too. Once this business with my car needing 16K in repairs is finished, ill work on tri-sli before they might sell out.

Oh, and i decided on the FTW edition. The classified was tempting, but all the DS cards ive been seeing on newegg seem to have complaints about noise and even a couple saying the fans are striking the sides..... while the FTW might not cool as well, i got a nice case. So i think it will be a non-issue. Specs are the exact same cept for the fans...10 dollars more for an extra fan and a (i admit) cooler looking GPU just doesnt do it for me.
 
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Nice , please let us know how the Card works out for you ..I too have been waiting (still on 8800GTS Sli, which I was glad to see was add to Toms Charts recently and actually faired better than I thought it would being 4yrs old now) ..I was searching earlier and found a forum where someone had picked up this card at a Fry's in CA BEFORE the 29th, he said he was going to put in in his daughters PC , but said he liked it so much better than the unlocked 6950 he had , he decided to keep it for himself ..wish I had kept that link so I could post it, but ..Please let us know how that card works out ..any Benchies or scores would great for compares ..I actually liked ATi back before AMD bought them up..now I cannot tell anymore if it is an ATi Radeon Card or an AMD Radeon card ? what are the differences are ..and I whole heartily agree with you on the VRAM issue ..I dont think 1GB is going to cut it for much longer especially at higher Res , I have read several people reporting that BF3 is eating all their VRAM ...and DONT forget to register :) ..my XFX 8800GTS has lifetime warranty ..and I was honestly hoping that they would kind of die soon, lol. so I could get a replacement..but they just WONT quit, I have used the HELL of them for 4 years now and they just keep going..and I was actually abel to play BF3 beta at 1920x1200 with good fps , although everything wasturned down, and 2x AA but still I was amazed that it was very playable .sorry I am rambling now ..let us know ow the card works out please ..thanks
 
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Just wanted to let you know I went ahead and, after far too much research, ordered a EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores Classified.

My decision came down to a handful of pretty convincing reviews mixed with being absolutely exhausted and burnt out on research on PC parts as a whole over the last three or so weeks.

Best choice? I feel like it is... and regardless, it is at least A choice. I could do an internal debate for an eternity. Feels good to have something ordered.
 
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Haha dude, I'm all for conspiracy and shady business practices at play constantly in this market, but all of the reviews point to it bein at MOST a 5% percent difference between a reference 570 and these new 448s. I agree with you that they are a lot of money for what you can get comparatively with an sli'd 560 ti setup, but these cards still have worth and are invading the 570 market boldly
 
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Sorry, I thought the GTX570 was closer to the $300 mark.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130593

EVGA GTX570 with Batman game for $348 out the door. Seems to be one of the cheapest GTX570s out there as well btw. The one linked just above me was $305 out the door, so your saving around $45. Still not that worth it to me.

You get more or less the same power draw and thermal numbers as the GTX570 and one less group/cluster of shaders. Don't worry about clock speed, they should all more or less get to the same area. Cooling might be worth it, but only to a point. $250? You got my interest.

In terms of the comment above about drivers, he was probably referring to issues you might have if they drop this "limited release" product from their drivers. It might drop out of their drivers before the GTX570 does. I'm not as convinced that this is a problem as much as finding another to SLI later. That will be an issue. (as will buying one if you don't live in an area where they will be released.)

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but these cards still have worth and are invading the 570 market boldly
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LOL, yes. For two months they will....
 
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EXACTLY. If you EVER want to SLI these cards you will be forced to get 2-4 of them NOW. Or get 1 on ebay for $600 in a few months when they are all sold out.


I think nvidia and ati both struggle with drivers and its difficult to see who exactly is the best in that area.

Agree $300 is far to much for this card, but apart from the points made here, but im sure plent will still buy.
 
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Saying $300 is too much for a card that performs side-by-side with the 570 for $40 cheaper doesn't make a ton of sense.

Yes, you could get the 570 for a bit more, but for someone like myself where the budget was set at around $275 for a card, going up to $300 was a stretch already, let alone up to $340.
 
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It makes sense if you consider that all cards above the 6950 are hopelessly poor in terms of price/performance. This 560 Ti 448 is no exception to that rule, and for many $300 is too much for a card that is a couple of percent faster than the much cheaper 6950.
 
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Airek -- Anything over 300 is too much for these cards. Yes they can perform in some cases better than the 570 and have shown so in some reviews, problem is, there are going to be ZERO reference speed cards by the looks of it. All these cards are going to be factory overclock to some extent (which jacks the price up a bit). All these reviews were these overclocks vs a base 570. Yes these cards especially the 797mhz evga's can beat a base 570 in things.

But the 570s can be overclocked too. Once they do that, and somebody gives a fair comparison (aka a 448 @ 797 vs a 570 @ 797) youll see the 570 win every time.


As of right now my opinion is this : Anything over 300 is way too much. Only the EVGA FTW is worth it at 289.99. The classified can be somewhat justified at 299.99 because of the overclocking features added AKA 6+2 PWM, 8+6 pin power connectors, DS fans. but its a stretch.

All the rest are overpriced. EVGA gained my respect here.

On the bright side, they now show up on newegg, IF YOU DO A SEARCH. NOTE: only the EVGA brands have 448 in the title, the rest just mention a 560ti...that could be confusing. The price hopefully is a good indicator of what they are, plus the specs sheet.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=560ti+448+&x=16&y=20


IMHO: its almost as if all the other brands are expecting or are colluding to price these high, so they can then bump up the 570 to 340-350 range.
 
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Am I crazy? I still thought the GTX570 was down to the $300 range. I could swear I've seen them that low.

My "beef" is that this is basically 100% a failed chip. They aren't introducing a new card, they have GPUs that can't pass as a GTX570 and they are ruining the GTX560TIs good name, sorry, selling them as a GTX560TI. They will do this a few months, and then "sorry, so sad" to anyone who bought one. You get near GTX570 performance levels with no real change in power usage. (going by rated TDP)

At least AMD when they brought out the 6790 brought us that card. AFAIK its not a "limited release" card. They have cores that can't make it as a 6850, so they cut it down to what people wanted when they brought out the 5770. Saving some $$$ just to get near the performance of a different card in this case doesn't seem right to me. Just buy the bigger card, or get the excellent GTX560TI/6950.
 
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Do people really think these cards are ever going to sell for that much MORE than what they are worth currently? I mean, Kepler is getting released a little after ati's cards and will tank the worth of anything 570 and below in my opinion. I just think this wholle448 was great marketing on nvidia's part but if you just do a simple per core cost derived from dividing the current prices of the570 and these cards by the number of cores they have and the 570 is only about five cents more per core.... At higher clock rates. I was really stoked for Hesse cards but at only 1.25 gb VRAM and standard clocks and the core count, I think there are better deals out there that will stay relevant because of higher VRAM, clock speeds and the ability to FIND another one in a couple of months
 
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*shrug* I didnt mind buying one. I used to be a tech chaser, getting the best and most expensive, but I found after a bit there really wasnt much need for it.

I was forced into the market when my GTX 280 finally died a week ago. Figures too because it was pretty much the only thing i salvaged (other than power supply) from my old computer.

My budget was a strict 300. I wasnt able (see also: my avatar. thats 16K worth of repair lol), or even willing if i could to slap another 500-700 on a video card like i had previously with the 9800gx2 and GTX 280 FTW. But I wanted more muscle than the 560ti. It seemed I was gonna end up with a very high overclocked 560ti. But then I read up on these cards. It was perfect for me. Not for anybody else probably, but for me it fit the niche i needed to fill.



PS. Newegg didnt bother to ship the card today. Must be because of cyber monday backlogs. Ive never dealt with them over holiday stuff. But its not their usual M.O to set on a charge for over 24 hours without it meaning they have no stock.
 
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yes, I was also under the impression 570's were a little cheaper. In fact, I think they were at least $10 cheaper a few weeks ago...weak. $275 is more reasonable for 448 cores, but nvidia knows that the limited edition nature of the card and their already massive fan base are going to sell this card for anything less than $340.


Great stuff on this thread, really confirms my mixed feelings for the release. I still don't know whether to love or to hate it. Ugg nvidia stop making so many different pretty cards and technologies. I only need one. Heres something that has not been said already:

When Kepler comes out and us tech fiends start selling off our old cards, what do you think is going to sell better? A 570, which is one of the most popular recommended cards for the past year+ or a limited edition, not sold in stores 448 core? I think their will be a large used market for these cards...dunno i might have that backwards...still computing.
 
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I read that the days of Sub $300 GTX 570s are done. These cards were basically released to prop up the 570 at 330-350 till the next generation.

I was following the 570 for the past week, only one card via rebate was under 300. And it was an amazing $260. If you look on newegg now there isnt a single 570 under 320. This card has actually caused prices to RISE on the 570 IMHO. And even on the 560TI, i swear they went up 10 bucks too.
 
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