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Graphics ≠ good game
The game may be pretty, but it plays no better than any linear shooter from the last decade.
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5870x2 will likely sell for $700, while NVidia's GTX 385 (or equivalent.. meaning the card in that segment) will sell for about $600
and cheapest card from AMD will sell for $200... scroll to bottom somewhere.
and cheapest card from AMD will sell for $200... scroll to bottom somewhere.
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GTX 295 costs £350+ in the UK, which is about $600... so doesnt seem hard to swallow that a new-generation top-end GPU will come out costing a lot.
it also maybe have to do with AMD not having any competition for a while till nvidia catches up or something
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Nvidia catches up? Rofl.....
Nvidia has always been in the lead, by a small margin but Nvidia has never trailed Ati....
Now everyone is waiting to see what the 5XXX and 3XX series have to offer, and chances are that Nvidia might lose the top spot for the first time in history......
Nvidia has always been in the lead, by a small margin but Nvidia has never trailed Ati....
Now everyone is waiting to see what the 5XXX and 3XX series have to offer, and chances are that Nvidia might lose the top spot for the first time in history......
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i prefer NVidia too but, anyone can see right now ATI is ahead in its development of DX11. it will be a few months at least before nvidia comes out iwth a DX11 card.
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That isn't really true.. The 9700pro was alone at the top for a while, and ATI was not exactly within a small margin to the 8800Ultra at first. They do go back and forth though.. have to wait and see this time.
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Thats not the point, I am talking (Overall).....
Please dont let me pull out the numbers from back in the day and start schooling all of you....
Of course if we compare one card to the other it will always be a back n forth battle, this is obvious, but when it comes to market share and companies that have adopted Nvidia vs. Ati from the begining, its clear that Nvidia has been the leader since the get-go.... Of course Ati is not far behind, as a matter of fact it is at Nvidias heels ATM.....
Please dont let me pull out the numbers from back in the day and start schooling all of you....
Of course if we compare one card to the other it will always be a back n forth battle, this is obvious, but when it comes to market share and companies that have adopted Nvidia vs. Ati from the begining, its clear that Nvidia has been the leader since the get-go.... Of course Ati is not far behind, as a matter of fact it is at Nvidias heels ATM.....
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Yes, changing the subject of a debate is one way to win...
Nvidia is a massive company, they will probably always have a market share lead over ATI.. but by that logic intel would be the undisputed king of graphics, as they currently hold ~50% of the market to Nvidia's paltry ~30%...
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To clarify, my statement was made with respect to the technology lead. And there is no doubt ATI will release their DX11 chips first, and in the months that NVIDIA is still struggling to get the GT300s out in the marketplace, ATI will have the tech lead over NVIDIA. They may even force NVIDIA to lower prices for DX10 chips by releasing DX11 chips at competitive. for example, given the option of a next-generation DX11 chip that equals the performance of, say, a GTX 275, almost anyone (except maybe those using 3D Vision or doing CUDA programming using hte GPU) will end up going for the ATI option. This will force NVIDIA on the backfoot as they'll have to slash prices on their cards to remain competitive. currently its ATI that's on the back foot.
and as a result of ATI going to market with DX11 first, all the early adopters will thus have no choice but to go to ATI for DX11 chips.... or wait. but waiting is not 'early adopting'
ATI claims it will release its high-end RV870 based GPU at around the time DX11/win7 launch. NVIDIA's GT300 is not expected to be distributed in volume until March 2010, which is quite a bit of a ways off.
and as a result of ATI going to market with DX11 first, all the early adopters will thus have no choice but to go to ATI for DX11 chips.... or wait. but waiting is not 'early adopting'
ATI claims it will release its high-end RV870 based GPU at around the time DX11/win7 launch. NVIDIA's GT300 is not expected to be distributed in volume until March 2010, which is quite a bit of a ways off.
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iirc it will be nov 09 when they get the first DX11 parts, but volume shipments will be delayed till march '10. sucks i know. 🙁 esp as ATI is not an option for me. ah well.
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When your silicon is 60% the size of the competition, and your yields are higher due to smaller die size, and youre incorpoating a smaller bus, and less traces on pcb, and the pcb traces are designed however you want, instead of demanded by length/resistance, Id hardly call having lower pricing as ATI being on its back feet. It simply costs less to make a ATI product thru their ingenuity and advancements. ATI, if you recall, wasnt the one starting off at 700$, and was sooo far under nVidias asking price of their 280, tho it still was a halo card, nBidia had to write rebates to its own customers, they overcharged so much, just in case anyones forgotten
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tastelikecrab :
To clarify, my statement was made with respect to the technology lead. And there is no doubt ATI will release their DX11 chips first, and in the months that NVIDIA is still struggling to get the GT300s out in the marketplace, ATI will have the tech lead over NVIDIA. They may even force NVIDIA to lower prices for DX10 chips by releasing DX11 chips at competitive. for example, given the option of a next-generation DX11 chip that equals the performance of, say, a GTX 275, almost anyone (except maybe those using 3D Vision or doing CUDA programming using hte GPU) will end up going for the ATI option. This will force NVIDIA on the backfoot as they'll have to slash prices on their cards to remain competitive. currently its ATI that's on the back foot.
and as a result of ATI going to market with DX11 first, all the early adopters will thus have no choice but to go to ATI for DX11 chips.... or wait. but waiting is not 'early adopting'
ATI claims it will release its high-end RV870 based GPU at around the time DX11/win7 launch. NVIDIA's GT300 is not expected to be distributed in volume until March 2010, which is quite a bit of a ways off.
and as a result of ATI going to market with DX11 first, all the early adopters will thus have no choice but to go to ATI for DX11 chips.... or wait. but waiting is not 'early adopting'
ATI claims it will release its high-end RV870 based GPU at around the time DX11/win7 launch. NVIDIA's GT300 is not expected to be distributed in volume until March 2010, which is quite a bit of a ways off.
And you are correct, all of this is done for a reason... Here we go to the "back n forth" again... Ati will come out with the first batch of thier GPU's.... Then Nvidia will counter with their Batch of GPU's... in the end we will just have to wait n see who put more effort in to claim the top spot......
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6 weeks, nda is up. Launch, should be good, and if you order early on, youll get your card. Supplies may or may not run out
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