Question 7800x3D returned. Which option would you choose: 13700k, 13600k or 5800x3D?

[SydB12]

Hi, after spending 3 weeks researching PC components (I wasted a lot of time finding a mobo w/o intel ethernet chip + spdif), I decided to build a new gaming system around a 7800x3D for the next 4-5 years. Despite my last 2 systems being a 3570k and 8600k (both oc'ed and paired with a 1050ti and 1070), this time I decided to give a chance to red team due to the efficiency/performance of x3D architecture. All components were packed over my desk, waiting for the GPU to arrive, but after seeing all the issues that AM5 platform is having... I decided to return CPU+mobo+RAM, cancel the order for the 7900xtx, and plan something new. I might have panicked, but it is how it is. This was the original build for 2790€:

• CPU: 7800x3D
• mobo: x670e Steel Legend
• RAM: G.Skill 32gb ddr5, 6000, cl30 (expo)
• case: 5000D airflow (to have the chance to go custom liquid cooling in the future)
• PSU: rm1000x shift (cheaper than the non-shift model when i bought it)
• GPU: 7900xtx Sapphire nitro+
• cooler: Thermaltake PE 120se

And now I'd like to know your opinion between the 3 clear options that I see for my re-build. The idea is to keep case + PSU, and then depending on the build, keep the CPU cooler and maybe even upgrade the GPU. The 3 options I'm considering are:

OPTION (A): build around a 13700k which, although being a modern CPU, I'm not so happy about it when compared with the gaming price/performance/TDP that the 7800x3D was offering. Also, I believe I'd need to replace the PE 120se cooler (maybe for a Noctua NH-D15 or even some 360 aio), as the intel CPU runs hotter. The build would be then 2680€ (110€ cheaper than the original):

• CPU: 13700k
• mobo: z790
• RAM: 32gb 6400 cl32 xmp
• case: 5000D airflow
• PSU: rm1000x shift
• GPU: 7900xtx Sapphire nitro+
• cooler: Noctua nh-d15

OPTION (B): build around a 13600k instead of 13700k for pure gaming. I think I could keep the PE 120se cooler in this scenario. But then, by choosing this route I could aim for a 4090 instead of the 7900xtx, with a final build cost of 3230€ (440€ over the original build which, although it could be within my budget, is starting to be a bit too much for my taste. Anyway, I'd choose this route if is the best):

• CPU: 13600k
• mobo: z790
• RAM: 32gb 6400 cl32 xmp
• case: 5000D airflow
• PSU: rm1000x shift
• GPU: 4090
• cooler: Thermaltake PE 120se

OPTION (C): build around a 5800x3D with the drawback of being an older platform that I'd be building from scratch (the only thing I could use from my current intel build is the RAM and I'd only need to get 16gb cheap 3200 ddr4 to swap for it). Adding a 4090 here as well. And in 2-3 years I could just change mobo+cpu (which together cost almost the same as the 7800x3D). The build would cost 3015€ ("only" 225€ more than the original):

• CPU: 5800x3D
• mobo: b550
• RAM: 32gb ddr4, 3600, cl16 (already owned)
• case: 5000D airflow
• PSU: rm1000x shift
• GPU: 4090
• cooler: Thermaltake PE 120se

IMHO, I think I prefer OPTION (C), as I believe the 4090 is a monster (an expensive one, though), and the cpu performance difference for pure gaming compared with the intel routes is not so large. What do you think? What would you do?

 

[SydB12]

For 4k the 7600x is all the money you need to spend as far as a cpu.

Would it be significantly different at 1440p?

 

[SydB12]

4K 144hz? Good luck

Let me dream, lol. I'm still running a gtx1070 with a 8600k@5GHz. 4k@80-120hz then.

EDIT: also, you don't run games a "x amount of Hz", sorry if it was hard for you to understand that I was referring to my monitor/TV frequencies.

 

[GarrettL]

Would it be significantly different at 1440p?

At 1440p the 13600 and 7600x are similar with a 4090, Google it. Both typically generate over 144 FPS in most game titles.

Once again, if you buy the 13th Gen now that may be the last cpu for the LGA1700, 14th may have a refresh but not stated yet.

The AM5 platform leaves room to upgrade the cpu later without having to purchase a whole new set up.

I don't think we will see 4k 120Hz for atleast one if not two generations of gpu's.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

Let me dream, lol. I'm still running a gtx1070 with a 8600k@5GHz. 4k@80-120hz then.

EDIT: also, you don't run games a "x amount of Hz", sorry if it was hard for you to understand that I was referring to my monitor/TV frequencies.

I always look at hz as in fps... i.e. 4k 60hz = 60fps. Same for 120hz... 144hz... etc...

My OLED does 120hz... but I game at 60hz because not only can I not see a difference in 120hz the 4090 can't do 120 fps anyway in 4K Ultra.

Once again, if you buy the 13th Gen now that may be the last cpu for the LGA1700, 14th may have a refresh but not stated yet.
The AM5 platform leaves room to upgrade the cpu later without having to purchase a whole new set up.

That's why I went AM5 over Intel 13th gen. I have been trolled a bit on various forums for it from the Intel guys because mine blew up on day 3... but it didn't cost me any money so I'm not even salty about it. I'm looking forward to the ease of upgrades for the next few years.

I don't think we will see 4k 120Hz for atleast one if not two generations of gpu's.

I agree. Not a huge deal to me either way. I might be sticking with the 4090 for quite a long time because it definitely exceeds the 4K 60 threshhold.

 

[SydB12]

I always look at hz as in fps... i.e. 4k 60hz = 60fps. Same for 120hz... 144hz... etc...

My OLED does 120hz... but I game at 60hz because not only can I not see a difference in 120hz the 4090 can't do 120 fps anyway in 4K Ultra.



That's why I went AM5 over Intel 13th gen. I have been trolled a bit on various forums for it from the Intel guys because mine blew up on day 3... but it didn't cost me any money so I'm not even salty about it. I'm looking forward to the ease of upgrades for the next few years.



I agree. Not a huge deal to me either way. I might be sticking with the 4090 for quite a long time because it definitely exceeds the 4K 60 threshhold.

Ok then. I'm going with the 4090 and the 7600x. Unless... it is worth to spend 90 bucks more on the 7700x.
My plan would then be to upgrade cpu in 2-3 years (keeping the 4090 for another additional 2-3 years) maybe to a 8000x3D, or even 9000x3D if still fits on the AM5 socket

 

[ohio_buckeye]

As I said you may consider the 7600 non x. It's only about 5% slower, but is a lower wattage cpu and should run cooler. But as long as you have a good cooler the x should be great also.

 

[SydB12]

As I said you may consider the 7600 non x. It's only about 5% slower, but is a lower wattage cpu and should run cooler. But as long as you have a good cooler the x should be great also.

They cost exactly the same. I have a PE120se, it should be fine for both

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Yeah at microcenter I think the non x is like 20 something cheaper. Either one should be good. I think the non x was idle at 65 watts if you care about power usage. If you don’t have good cooling, get the x.

 

[Karadjgne]

One thing to think about is that resolution has very little to no affect on the cpu. A 7600x will send the same instructions to the gpu at 4k as it will at 720p. Resolution is what the gpu must deal with.

So all that's really needed is a cpu that'll hit @ 120fps in most games. For the choices of 1440p or 4k, and getting close to refresh Hz, or more, that's on the gpu. That's where you'd need to be looking at top shelf, not so much the cpu.