Question 9800x3d // 9070xt ((Stuttering Issue))

[Cebiri]

''Sigh''... I dont know where to begin,, lets list all the specs:
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Corsair 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 6400MHz CL32 Dominat
ASUS ROG Loki 850W SFX-L
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 104MB
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-I Gaming WIFI
Samsung 990 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1TB
Corsair iCUE LINK QX120 RGB Startkitt Svart 3-pac
Corsair iCUE LINK H100i LCD RGB Svart
ASRock Radeon RX 9070 XT Steel Legend 16GB
((Windows 11 Pro))
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So ive been experiencing terrible frametimes, stuttering and frame lag spikes in all (intensive games) Games such as rocket league, and indie games are rarely affected by this/ However league of legends is affected by only the lag spikes*
Its very inconsistant, sometimes my frametimes are a flat line, sometimes it super jittery, sometimes it hard spikes only once every 10 min, sometimes many times during one minute.
I have so far scouered the whole internet, including discord servers for personal help, to alas no vail.. Seams like an impossible task to fix.
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Laundry list ( Might have forgothen afew things) and all these things have been tested multiple times both on and off:

MPO
C-states
Windows power plan
Task scheduler (disabled interruptables)
DOCP
SVM
spread spectrum
IMMO
TPM
SVT
PBO
Load Line power level
Samsung Magician (Update/Tuning)
Pcie link speed
Dissable integrated gpu
Gamebar
HAGS
Game mode ( on/off ) Resulted to using Process lasso, all possible tweaks in lasso aswell
Win32PrioritySeparation
Windows full reinstall (2x times)
DDU (multiple times Including only drivers and no adrenalin)
OCCP Error testing ( only DOCP cause instability, when DOCP is off no errors on any components )
I have also done a full clean of bloatware with revo uninstaller, no armory crate, no mouse or keabord programs, in icue, no nothing..
Only: Adrenalin+ProcessLasso+ISLC are running

Im sure i have missed something since ive tested (literally every single advice on the whole internet)

Only two things are left witch are:
1: Supported ram* I read somewhere that if you use ram thats not listed on the mobo recomended list, it might cause issues
2: Buffer Bloat related to the router.
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In conclusion, im at my withs end.. Im starting to think that maybe its all in my head, and literally everyone experience these sorta issues, and im just extra sensitive to them..
At this point i think i will try to get one of the ram kits from the supported list, and get a new router that will eliminate buffer bloat, however i have a strong (STRONG) feeling that it wont solve my issue..

(edit): Forgot to mention Cmos Reset, and running full default in bios. And unplugging usb's so only mouse keabord is plugged in.

(Edit2) Did afew more benchmarks with PBO, had a stable down curve at -20 at 1h test in OCCP, however it when gaming, it feelt like the frame pacing was worse, so i ended up returning to default again, and just doing the successful changes ( C-states On / Integrated GPU Off / Boot UEFI mode(for battlefield to work) It seams this is as stable as it can be right now, still micro stutter from 0-2%, and random frame spikes in all games tho..
I have noticed that when playing, the cpu makes a sound (like its working) and when the lag spikes happen, the sound briefly stops then resumes.. Not sure what the indication is.

(Edit3) Made a video compilation with the frame spikes, stuttering and bad frame time

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5peWlXMh6y0
These issues happen in basically all games.

(Edit3) Things are abit more stable atm. Im not sure what made it better, Stuttering and fps drops still occur however its about 50% less often, and 30% less strong.
What i have done so far (that has helped abit) is as following:

exploit protection / control flow guard off for certain games.
Game mode / Hags / MPO off
Powerplan balanced
Core isolation Off
Changed my Radeon GPU overclock setting to Favor Efficiency.
Bios: Docp on but reduced ram to 6000mhz, C-states enable, Integrated gpu disabeled.
I might have missed something, but these changes have so far had an positive effect.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Hey there,

Have you updated your bios?

Turn off anything like Processlasso or any other app that controls system components, like Asus Armoury Crate, MSI Centre, iCUE etc.

Reset your bios to default (you can also do this by doing a bios update and CMOS clear, which might just be a good idea.). Then retest.

 

[Cebiri]

Hey there,

Have you updated your bios?

Turn off anything like Processlasso or any other app that controls system components, like Asus Armoury Crate, MSI Centre, iCUE etc.

Reset your bios to default (you can also do this by doing a bios update and CMOS clear, which might just be a good idea.). Then retest.

I should had mentioned*
Yes bios is up to date, and all drivers are up to date.

Its listed in the description that i tried bios update, cmos clear.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Its listed in the description that i tried bios update, cmos clear.

My bad. I missed that! Did you do it as outlined in the link?

 

[Cebiri]

My bad. I missed that! Did you do it as outlined in the link?

not sure what you mean by outlined link

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Apologies. I'm answering 2 threads at same time, and on my phone! 🤣 gimme a mo!

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

How did you clear cmos?

 

[Cebiri]

How did you clear cmos?

using a screwdriver to shortcut the power to it, i google both the manual+watched a video before doing it, and it did reset successfully.

 

[Cebiri]

Updated thread info (Edit2)

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

using a screwdriver to shortcut the power to it, i google both the manual+watched a video before doing it, and it did reset successfully.

Ok, that's good.

I'm a bit stumped now. You've done almost everything someone could do to troubleshoot.

I suspect its some hardware conflict or software bug. But you've reinstalled Win11 twice, so it's highly unlikely a software issue.

Did you do a fresh install of Win11 or from a back up?

When you installed windows, did you disconnect all other drives before the install?

When the issue happens can you check disk usage (alt-tab) and temp With HWMonitor. What temp does it hit?

 

[Cebiri]

Ok, that's good.

I'm a bit stumped now. You've done almost everything someone could do to troubleshoot.

I suspect its some hardware conflict or software bug. But you've reinstalled Win11 twice, so it's highly unlikely a software issue.

Did you do a fresh install of Win11 or from a back up?

When you installed windows, did you disconnect all other drives before the install?

When the issue happens can you check disk usage (alt-tab) and temp With HWMonitor. What tenp does it hit?

I reformated a new usb stick and installed the latest windows 11 instalation iso with the microsoft program onto it. So i t shouldent be any issue with the installation.

Using amd Monitoring software my cpu,gpu usage is usually consistant and temprature is always bellow like 70. Nothing is overheating.

 

[Cebiri]

I have a video i made a while back
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAw9VgM-384&t=2s
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Showcasing the issue, it is somewhat the same thing happening in other games, however in bdo specifically it seamed to be an game-engine issue, safe to say nobody has won the 100usd bounty..

However the Spike/lag issue is happening in other games to*

 

[MEMOFLEX]

Having done a quick search online it seems that there are a lot of threads with people having similar issues to what you have on BDO. In the video you mentioned that you have had the same issue with this game on other hardware as well.

Are you able to provide an example video of some other - possibly more stable - games?

In hardware terms then only the memory jumps out at me as at default speeds of 4800 you might have issues but I see the memory is 6400 which can be a stretch for the 9800x3d to be stable. What ratio was this running at?

 

[Cebiri]

Having done a quick search online it seems that there are a lot of threads with people having similar issues to what you have on BDO. In the video you mentioned that you have had the same issue with this game on other hardware as well.

Are you able to provide an example video of some other - possibly more stable - games?

In hardware terms then only the memory jumps out at me as at default speeds of 4800 you might have issues but I see the memory is 6400 which can be a stretch for the 9800x3d to be stable. What ratio was this running at?

I made a short little compilation with the frame spikes, stutter and bad frame timing.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5peWlXMh6y0

 

[Cebiri]

Having done a quick search online it seems that there are a lot of threads with people having similar issues to what you have on BDO. In the video you mentioned that you have had the same issue with this game on other hardware as well.

Are you able to provide an example video of some other - possibly more stable - games?

In hardware terms then only the memory jumps out at me as at default speeds of 4800 you might have issues but I see the memory is 6400 which can be a stretch for the 9800x3d to be stable. What ratio was this running at?

The memory is running at pure bios stock settings.
I can enable docp and it does work in gaming and windows, however when stress testing it crashes the test due to error's.
So i leave the ram speeds on default.

( also even with default ram, versus docp enable it changes nothing, problem still exists )

 

[MEMOFLEX]

The memory is running at pure bios stock settings.
I can enable docp and it does work in gaming and windows, however when stress testing it crashes the test due to error's.
So i leave the ram speeds on default.

( also even with default ram, versus docp enable it changes nothing, problem still exists )

What i wanted to understand is that at 6400 I expect this may be too fast for the IMC (some will do it, most wont) and at 4800 this is very slow for the cpu. Have you tried enabling EXPO but then manually putting the speeds to 6000. This should give you a 1:1 ratio

 

[MEMOFLEX]

I made a short little compilation with the frame spikes, stutter and bad frame timing.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5peWlXMh6y0

Do you have any overlays or any other software running in these examples?

 

[Cebiri]

What i wanted to understand is that at 6400 I expect this may be too fast for the IMC (some will do it, most wont) and at 4800 this is very slow for the cpu. Have you tried enabling EXPO but then manually putting the speeds to 6000. This should give you a 1:1 ratio

I remember running it at that channel at some point, however i used to have this issue back then aswell.
Does not hurt to go back into bios and test docp with 6000mhz, however i doubt it will solve or fix anything.

Another possible solution ive recently stumbled upon would be to use two pcie cables from the psu to the gpu, instead of a single cable with 2x pins attached to it.
However upon further investigation, my psu does not have an extra pcie outlet, and when googling if its possible to use a cpu > psu connector for the gpu, it was strongly not recomended..
Soo back to square one i guess

 

[Cebiri]

Do you have any overlays or any other software running in these examples?

Only the Amd tracking overlay that you can observe in the video.
Steam overlay is disabled,

 

[Cebiri]

https://imgur.com/a/clgyxy6

I wonder, could i use 2x pcie's from the red colum instead of a single one that im currently using in the blue one?

 

[MEMOFLEX]

I remember running it at that channel at some point, however i used to have this issue back then aswell.
Does not hurt to go back into bios and test docp with 6000mhz, however i doubt it will solve or fix anything.

Another possible solution ive recently stumbled upon would be to use two pcie cables from the psu to the gpu, instead of a single cable with 2x pins attached to it.
However upon further investigation, my psu does not have an extra pcie outlet, and when googling if its possible to use a cpu > psu connector for the gpu, it was strongly not recomended..
Soo back to square one i guess

Sorry i missed what PSU you are using (include make, model and age) Should have looked at this earlier. You are using 1 daisy chained cable? This is not really advisable

 

[Cebiri]

Sorry i missed what PSU you are using (include make, model and age) Should have looked at this earlier. You are using 1 daisy chained cable? This is not really advisable

ASUS ROG Loki 850W SFX-L
I also linked a picture above with the outlets in the PSU, my psu only has 1x of those pcie sockets with the 4 extra dots on it,
Should i get two separate cables and use it in the circeled red zone instead of the single one i have in the blue one?

 

[MEMOFLEX]

ASUS ROG Loki 850W SFX-L
I also linked a picture above with the outlets in the PSU, my psu only has 1x of those pcie sockets with the 4 extra dots on it,
Should i get two separate cables and use it in the circeled red zone instead of the single one i have in the blue?

I would certainly be using 2 separate cables. You should definitely have them supplied with the PSU. Have these just been mislaid?

Each 8pin can provide 150w so a daisy chain is technically 300 although this may be up for discussion. Pcie slot can offer 75w. From what I have seen the 9070xt can hit 350w under heavy load but there may be excursions from this. You would be right on the edge.

I would certainly be trying 2 x 8 pin cables to rule this out and it is good practice regardless

 

[Cebiri]

I would certainly be using 2 separate cables. You should definitely have them supplied with the PSU. Have these just been mislaid?

Each 8pin can provide 150w so a daisy chain is technically 300 although this may be up for discussion. Pcie slot can offer 75w. From what I have seen the 9070xt can hit 350w under heavy load but there may be excursions from this. You would be right on the edge.

I would certainly be trying 2 x 8 pin cables to rule this out and it is good practice regardless

I never throw away the boxes, or attachments that come with pc parts, however i checked the box, and i only have 8 pin CPU > PSU cables..

Nether way, its a potential thing to try, however my guess would likely be that its not gonna fix things

 

[MEMOFLEX]

I never throw away the boxes, or attachments that come with pc parts, however i checked the box, and i only have 8 pin CPU > PSU cables..

Nether way, its a potential thing to try, however my guess would likely be that its not gonna fix things

From looking at the PSU specs then it looks like there is a 16pin to 2 x 8pin which is not the cable I was thinking of. My apologies as you did highlight this in blue above. I thought it was an 8pin Pcie to split pcie. This explains why you dont have an additional cable. This cable should be able to provide more than enough power as long as you are using both cables and not the secondary 8pin from 1 cable.