A Free-To-Play MMO? Neverwinter Performance, Benchmarked

Onus · May 10, 2013

Well, I downloaded it last night. I will try to play it some this weekend, but I also need to rebuild / reload a friend's PC that croaked, and start testing a motherboard for a review.

kettu · May 10, 2013

[citation][nom]cleeve[/nom]Because CPU frame latency results are so consistently low (well below 15 milliseconds) they're insignificant. The only time I've seen them be an issue is with APUs, and that's covered.[/citation]

Isn't it relevant then to show those consistently low latency numbers to put the FPS results in perspective?

ubercake · May 10, 2013

I will definitely try it.

tadej petric · May 10, 2013

[citation][nom]de5_Roy[/nom]i can't believe it...http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 495-4.htmlhttp://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 495-5.html i could believe fx8350 sinking itself to core i3 level performance (it's kinda fx8350's routine) but hd4000 significantly outperforming radeon 7660g in min., avg., and frame time variance? with dual core i5 vs quadcore a10 even...how would an overclocked i5 3550 or 3570k or fx6300 would fare in this game?[/citation]

i5 is quad core too...

de5_Roy · May 10, 2013

tadej petric :

mobile core i5 cpus have 2 cores with hyperthreading. only 4 core mobile intel cpus are certain core i7 cpus.

dscudella · May 10, 2013

I don't quite understand the 1920x1080 chart. How does the Radeon 7750 beat out the GTX 650 Ti and even beats the 7790. Shenanigans?

dscudella · May 10, 2013

*1920x1080 low preset, the 7750 is the chart topper

tadej petric · May 10, 2013

dscudella :

And at high 650ti boost beats 7970...

cleeve · May 10, 2013

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]It's not actually as bottlenecked as the results lead you to believe. The problem is the game has a FPS cap of 60 FPS. [/citation]

You can turn that off in advanced graphics options. We did this for our benchmark tests, and saw the frame rate go above 60 FPS multiple times.

cleeve · May 10, 2013

[citation][nom]dscudella[/nom]I don't quite understand the 1920x1080 chart. How does the Radeon 7750 beat out the GTX 650 Ti and even beats the 7790. Shenanigans?[/citation]

Shenanigans? It's clearly CPU bottlenecked, man!

Any differences are so slight they're within the margin of error. There are no significant wins or losses.

cleeve · May 10, 2013

[citation][nom]kettu[/nom]Isn't it relevant then to show those consistently low latency numbers to put the FPS results in perspective?[/citation]

The frame time variance *is* shown for graphics cards, where a difference can sometimes be seen. I don't see much point in adding them to CPUs where there's nothing to see, but if more people want to see it I might consider adding it. You're the first person to ask.

dscudella · May 10, 2013

[citation][nom]cleeve[/nom]Shenanigans? It's clearly CPU bottlenecked, man! Any differences are so slight they're within the margin of error. There are no significant wins or losses.[/citation]

Thank you for explaining that. I should have deeper into the whole article instead of just the GPU benchmarks. After looking at the CPU benches your point is made.

bitoolean · May 10, 2013

[citation][nom]rootheday[/nom]well... would you look at that. Intel HD 4000 soundly beats the top AMD mobile APU
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[citation][nom]dirtyferret[/nom]here come the AMD fan boys screaming how unfair the CPU review of this benchmark is...[/citation]
Do you people even read the articles before commenting?! This game's performance is CPU-bottlenecked!

Consequently, this is one of those games where our processor benchmarks probably mean more than the graphics card numbers.

I'm not a fan of neither company, never have I been along the years... They've all brought respectable innovations to the table, they don't just stand out and sell the most products for no reason... You're the ones not being fair.

jshat · May 10, 2013

Ya'll do know there's an advanced options checkbox that allows you to further refine everything to 300% instead of 100% right?

Also an overclocked 2500k(4.4) with a 460GTX(800/1900) gets better framerates at 300% then you are getting at 100%. Wierd that a small bump can make such a difference.

Edit: 1920x1080

beoza · May 10, 2013

Just checked out the game last night. Plays quite well on my i5 3570k (stock settings), and 7870 LE (core OC to 1,200MHz). Getting 70+ fps in explorable zones, and 45+ in the city. I dropped the AA down to 8x from 16, didn't notice any improvement in fps. Using default settings which are maxed out and a res of 1920x1080. Decent game but I'll wait until it comes out of Beta to start playing, there's still some things that need addressed like switching toons, you have to log out of the game and log back in to switch toons. Other than that I rather liked the game, hopefully they'll add game pad support, as this game could be a good fit for a controller as well as mouse/keyboard.

Saxie81 · May 11, 2013

[citation][nom]rootheday[/nom]well... would you look at that. Intel HD 4000 soundly beats the top AMD mobile APU[/citation]

Guess you missed the part where it was CPU dependent...

bystander · May 11, 2013

[citation][nom]Saxie81[/nom]Guess you missed the part where it was CPU dependent...[/citation]
Does that mean the AMD APU is extraordinarily weak on the CPU side?

DarkSable · May 11, 2013

bystander :

Comparing it to an i5? yes.

bryonhowley · May 11, 2013

[citation][nom]Traciatim[/nom]Yet again we see any game that requires a descent amount of CPU power that AMD falls flat on it's face.I sure wish AMD was still in this competition so that we wouldn't have things like Haswell being essentially the same CPU as Ivy Bridge with a few tweaks and a better useless section that gets instantly disabled if you want to actually play games.[/citation]
That is odd since both my FX-8120 and FX-8350 based rigs get consistent 60fps vsync'd at 1080p max settings. The same by the way as my i5 3570K rig. So were did AMD fall flat on it's face? At least with my rigs AMD is right up there with intel just like with any other game I have.

tadej petric · May 12, 2013

bryonhowley :

Sorry but thats stupid.
Dissable Vsync and results will actually be diferend. For example i5 could now have 1000000 and AMD 60fps but your monitor is limited to 60hz so it cant show more.

gondor · May 12, 2013

Any chance we could get a review of performance of other F2P online multiplayer games ? My interest is in World of Tanks but it's interesting to read about other games as well

kettu · May 12, 2013

[citation][nom]cleeve[/nom]The frame time variance *is* shown for graphics cards, where a difference can sometimes be seen. I don't see much point in adding them to CPUs where there's nothing to see, but if more people want to see it I might consider adding it. You're the first person to ask.[/citation]

I see. I'm just thinking that if there is nothing to see in the latency chart it paints a contrasting picture against the raw FPS numbers. Like AMD had some latency issues with their graphics cards despite equal framerates against nVidia counterparts before driver updates. So if in this case AMD is behind Intel in FPS but equals them in latency (as you have alluded) I think that is very valuable information.

somebodyspecial · May 12, 2013

I hope this doesn't mean a REAL NWN3 is not coming. I have no intention of ever joining a subscription game or giving $1 to them. I want my single player experience period. MMO's can die for all I care. Ultima is doing this also (the new one from Richard Garriot...He's already lost me). It's a pity, just like tv went almost totally reality crap (kardashian crap) we're now going to go through this MMO crap big time on PC's. I guess I'll be praying for total failures so I can get back my Baldurs Gate 3 experience (I'll be pissed if they do the same thing to that one!). One more remake out of the way (BG2 still has to come this year I guess) then on to BG3. MMO's amount to paying $100-180 a year to play your game. I prefer $20-50 ONCE and play when I want without the punk kids, cheaters etc. Back to some gog games I guess...LOL.

somebodyspecial · May 12, 2013

I won't play F2P either. They are NOT free to play...LOL.

punnar · May 13, 2013

Update to my post: I tried it this weekend with the below system and it did fine. I only got to level 7 but I think I will install it on my main system and see how long it will keep me interested. I don't have FPS counts but it palyed smooth enough to not make me stop playing.

system: Windows 7 Ultimate, Pentium G860 3GHz, 4 GB RAM, HD 7770, Solid State Hard drive.

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