Question About Windows 11 AI ?

[Endre]

Hello!

As many of you know, Windows 11 v24H2 comes out later this year.
Copilot+ PCs will have AI "features" like: Recall, which will take snapshots of our PCs every 3-5 seconds!
This is just "Big Brother" in disguise, to me!

So, Microsoft, instead of working on Windows 11 to make it better, they push these unwanted AI "features" on us just so they can spy on us!
I believe that these "features" will end up being installed on ALL PCs, not just on Copilot+ PCs!

I, simply, hate what Microsoft does lately!

Please give me your thoughts on this stuff!

 

[USAFRet]

Hello!

As many of you know, Windows 11 v24H2 comes out later this year.
Copilot+ PCs will have AI "features" like: Recall, which will take snapshots of our PCs every 3-5 seconds!
This is just "Big Brother" in disguise, to me!

So, Microsoft, instead of working on Windows 11 to make it better, they push these AI crappy "features" on us, so they can spy on us!
I believe that these "features" will end up being installed on ALL PCs, not just on Copilot+ PCs!

I, simply, hate what Microsoft does lately!

Please give me your thoughts on this stuff!

MS has recently changed this to Opt-In.

And it cannot be ON by default, because it would fall afoul of many many govt and HIPAA privacy regulations.

 

[USAFRet]

Opt In

https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4319952/microsoft-overhauls-recall-makes-opt

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...l-opt-in-after-privacy-security-backlash.html

https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/07/microsoft_recall_changes/

(etc)

 

[hotaru.hino]

So when are you going to Linux?

 

[Endre]

MS has recently changed this to Opt-In.

And it cannot be ON by default, because it would fall afoul of many many govt and HIPAA privacy regulations.

I hope that MS will allow users to bypass the installation of Recall completely at the Windows 11 setup, and also not include it in their later updates.
I, also, don't want Copilot on my PC at all!

 

[Endre]

So when are you going to Linux?

Well, I would, but unfortunately I have bought a lot of software that doesn't run on Linux.
Also, my audio interface doesn't have drivers for Linux.
Maybe things will change regarding Linux hardware/software compatibility in the next 10 years.

 

[Colif]

To even run recall you need a co pilot+ capable laptop. Right now that only includes Snapdragon X processes. You need an NPU that can do 40 TOPS. So until all PC have that feature, it won't be just added to all windows PC. I expect it likely show up in windows at one stage, just like Secure Boot/TPM. It needs hardware support that CPU makers aren't adding onto desktop yet.

So when 24H2 is released, it wouldn't have worked on any old PC anyway. I am totally not concerned about it... even before it became opt in.

Stop panicing... I wish there was more money made in telling truth than getting people into a panic and make them make stupid decisions. So many videos saying 24H2 is the end of the world...

no one looks at details.

 

[Endre]

To even run recall you need a co pilot+ capable laptop. Right now that only includes Snapdragon X processes. You need an NPU that can do 40 TOPS. So until all PC have that feature, it won't be just added to all windows PC. I expect it likely show up in windows at one stage, just like Secure Boot/TPM. It needs hardware support that CPU makers aren't adding onto desktop yet.

So when 24H2 is released, it wouldn't have worked on any old PC anyway. I am totally not concerned about it... even before it became opt in.

Stop panicing... I wish there was more money made in telling truth than getting people into a panic and make them make stupid decisions. So many videos saying 24H2 is the end of the world...

no one looks at details.

Well, here are the facts:
You don't need a Copilot+ PC to run Recall.
There are people on the internet claiming that they've installed it even on Windows 11 unsupported machines, that have no TPM, no Secure Boot, and no NPU.
That means that it works on x86-64 platforms too, not only on ARM.
So, in the end, I suspect that it will be rolled out through updates on all PCs.

 

[Colif]

Just because people have made it work on non supported hardware, doesn't mean Microsoft will.
Pretty sure Microsoft would have released it to all if they wanted to, its them restricting it here. I don't know what their reason is.

Some people actually want it... don't ask me why... but they do. People will try to run it even if told they can't. Just to prove they can.

 

[Endre]

Just because people have made it work on non supported hardware, doesn't mean Microsoft will.
Pretty sure Microsoft would have released it to all if they wanted to, its them restricting it here. I don't know what their reason is.

Some people actually want it... don't ask me why... but they do. People will try to run it even if told Athey can't. Just to prove they can.

A user was able to install Recall on an Apple laptop, in a virtual machine.

Microsoft's reason for not rolling it out to everyone is that there's a huge backlash against this feature.
Users don't want it.
YouTube is already filled with tutorial videos on how to disable Recall & AI features altogether.
There are huge security risks too, so companies freak out.

In the future, I can see companies spying on their employees & rating their working value simply by accessing the Recall feature.

 

[Colif]

Worry about it if it happens. Can't do anything about it now.

 

[Endre]

Worry about it if it happens. Can't do anything about it now.

Using Windows 10 for another 3 years could be an option.
Ditching Windows altogether might be another option.

For people who don't do much with their PCs, or to those that only do certain specific tasks with them, Linux could be an option too.

 

[USAFRet]

For people who don't do much with their PCs, or to those that only do certain specific tasks with them, Linux could be an option too.

That has been an option for a decade or more.
Yet, people don't.

Even among geeks who bitch long and loud about Windoze!, and Micro$haft!
Those that would completely jump ship have already done so.

 

[Endre]

That has been an option for a decade or more.
Yet, people don't.

Even among geeks who bitch long and loud about Windoze!, and Micro$haft!
Those that would completely jump ship have already done so.

Yeah.
I just think that the number of ex-Windows users will grow even more if Microsoft continues on this path.
(Look at Adobe! Users that have used their programs for decades ended up switching to DaVinci Resolve because of Adobe's new policies & license agreements).

 

[USAFRet]

Yeah.
I just think that the number of ex-Windows users will grow even more if Microsoft continues on this path.
(Look at Adobe! Users that have used their programs for decades ended up switching to DaVinci Resolve because of Adobe's new policies & license agreements).

Adobe is only really good if you're using the whole workflow chain, and your employer is paying for it.

Any hobbyist that says "I need Photoshop, or I'll just use a cracked install", is a fool.
There are soooo many legal free or low cost alternatives.

 

[Colif]

windows users are an aging population, a lot of younger people have alternatives to spend time on (phones) and won't miss Windows when its gone. Chrome OS still exists,

Microsoft must know that

They adding extra features onto recall that might make it difficult to run without an NPU. So just saying it might work now but if its anything like TPM, it will be a running battle between people wanting to run it on unsupported hardware and MS changing things so it won't.

https://www.tomshardware.com/softwa...ature-which-analyzes-current-desktop-contents

I don't worry about things that might happen or I just wouldn't get anything done. There are no steps you can take now to avoid it - apart from learn an entire new OS, but I expect it won't take long for them to show up after its live. If its a threat at all to people without an NPU.

 

[Endre]

Adobe is only really good if you're using the whole workflow chain, and your employer is paying for it.

Any hobbyist that says "I need Photoshop, or I'll just use a cracked install", is a fool.
There are soooo many legal free or low cost alternatives.

Yes.
But, Adobe's new license agreement gives them full control over YOUR content to use it for whatever purpose Adobe wants, if you store your data on their servers!
And you, the user, must agree to these new terms at the installation of the program!

No user is happy about such an agreement with Adobe!
There are companies that ditched Adobe & switched to DaVinci Resolve and other programs over this new agreement.

 

[Endre]

windows users are an aging population, a lot of younger people have alternatives to spend time on (phones) and won't miss Windows when its gone. Chrome OS still exists,

Microsoft must know that

They adding extra features onto recall that might make it difficult to run without an NPU. So just saying it might work now but if its anything like TPM, it will be a running battle between people wanting to run it on unsupported hardware and MS changing things so it won't.

https://www.tomshardware.com/softwa...ature-which-analyzes-current-desktop-contents

I don't worry about things that might happen or I just wouldn't get anything done. There are no steps you can take now to avoid it - apart from learn an entire new OS, but I expect it won't take long for them to show up after its live. If its a threat at all to people without an NPU.

You are talking about phones & tablets, but those are in the context of fun stuff.
Anyone doing some type of serious work must use one of these platforms:
Windows, Apple, Linux or BSD.

 

[Colif]

BSD is such a distant 4th I had to look up what you meant

It still stands, people these days more likely to know other OS. Especially Apple. Its only really grown in usage in last 15 years or so. Getting into schools helped there, its why Chromebooks are in schools now... get audience young and they might not go to dark side... I mean, use windows.

I have used windows for too long to want to have to learn something else. Not sure what windows needs to do to stop me using it. Many of the crazy ideas people have suggested MS would do in next version, might have been it.

Every time Microsoft announce almost anything to do with changing Windows, the reaction is the same... panic based on speculation. Almost all the time it doesn't end up being anywhere near as bad as people expect.

 

[Endre]

BSD is such a distant 4th I had to look up what you meant

It still stands, people these days more likely to know other OS. Especially Apple. Its only really grown in usage in last 15 years or so. Getting into schools helped there, its why Chromebooks are in schools now... get audience young and they might not go to dark side... I mean, use windows.

I have used windows for too long to want to have to learn something else. Not sure what windows needs to do to stop me using it. Many of the crazy ideas people have suggested MS would do in next version, might have been it.

Every time Microsoft announce almost anything to do with changing Windows, the reaction is the same... panic based on speculation. Almost all the time it doesn't end up being anywhere near as bad as people expect.

Yeah.
We'll see what happens next.
But, I personally, hate AI assistents & control based on AI, in general.

 

[Colif]

I haven't jumped at the opportunity myself. I don't need them yet, I know they can be useful for some things and it would be stupid to just ignore them.

Unless Microsoft change it, and you don't need an NPU, the Ryzen 9000 series don't have NPU in them. So the way I see it, desktop won't get the feature for a few years to come. Otherwise it would make sense to include an NPU in their desktop CPU. You would think MS at least tells AMD & Intel its plans ahead of time, as they have to make hardware to match specs

People speculate they might get it working off GPU, but as I said, people will imagine all sorts of possibilities, until one actually happens we can't really sit here worrying about what might be.

There are people who actually want it. hence your examples of making it run on things its not supposed to work on. Just as some are running away, others are running towards. Its hard to not get trampled in the crowd

 

[WrongRookie]

So when are you going to Linux?

Linux is not really a good alternative in a lot of use cases.

As for my thoughts, I honestly don't care and I'm pretty sure that MS is aware that a lot of people just won't care about these. We already got workarounds that can revert all the problems MS has.

imo, MS should rather worry about optimizing their OSes and make everything else come second.

 

[Colif]

We already got workarounds that can revert all the problems MS has.

can you share this solution you have for all MS problems... we could just close forums now

just being silly

 

[WrongRookie]

can you share this solution you have for all MS problems... we could just close forums now

just being silly

I mean...we got third party software that just breaks windows and gives more freedom for Windows. For some reason MS doesn't seem to care.

Not suggesting anyone should but I'm just saying that people have been fixing windows for decades now.

 

[Colif]

I mean...we got third party software that just breaks windows and gives more freedom for Windows. For some reason MS doesn't seem to care.

i think it just comes with the territory. They haven't locked it down to point users can't change things, and its always been possible to break it pretty fast with commands. Its not like Apple where you are restricted to what you can & can't do.
That openess comes with risk.
Its a platform for the programs to run on. Sure, some programs will break it but most devs have an incentive to make sure program works on windows or word will get around and no will buy product.
Windows update runs the malicious program search every month, so its not like MS don't not act...