Question Advice on my suggested gaming build

[Seburb]

Hey all, first time builder and poster here. Looking for advice on my proposed build: are there any parts I can minmax, e.g. make the build work better / perform the same but with cheaper parts? Mostly upgrading because my current PC doesn't perform well any more with pretty basic games (e.g. can't progress in endgame in POE due to performance issues on low settings).

Thanks in advance!

Approximate Purchase Date: this week

Budget Range: 1500-2300eu

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies/streams

Are you buying a monitor: No, maybe a new second monitor


Parts to Upgrade: All

Do you need to buy OS: No
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: PCpartpicker

Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands, Europe

Parts Preferences: -

Overclocking: Maybe, I don't have experience or knowledge about this.

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe, I don't have experience or knowledge about this.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: -

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I'm having trouble running games like Path of Exile or Baldur's Gate, on low settings or max settings

Component	Selection	Price in Euro
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor	€489.00
CPU Cooler	Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler	€42.99
Motherboard	MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard	€159,00
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory	€129.40
Storage	Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2/2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive	€180.06
Video Card	PowerColor Hellhound Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card	€699.00
Case	Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL ATX Full Tower Case	€179.90
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€119.00
Total		€1998.35

Edit: pcpartpicker link: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/user/seburbatron/saved/#view=JZJCrH

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Build looks great for someone as a first poster. I would however opt for 2x SSD's. A smaller capacity drive for the OS, app's and launchers while the larger drive will act as the game library.

Out of curiosity, do you plan on adding more 2.5"/3.5" drives to the build or perhaps a lot more fans or maybe even watercooling? If not, you could downsize the case.

Just an FYI, you can pass on the link to your build if you focus your attention to the in-site address bar, pass on what you see. We can then edit it without much difficulty.

 

[helper800]

That is a decently optimized build but you could save about half on the CPU and its platform by going with an Intel platform while still getting 90%+ of the performance in most cases. This is even more true if you ever get a 1440p+ monitor like I recommend because its in the budget. XL cases are usually way bigger and more expensive than they are worth so the smaller much cheaper version of that case is what I recommend. You would get very similar performance between the cases. You can save a bit on the SSD while getting very similar performance by getting a Crucial T500 at 2 TB. Here is my recommendation with and without a monitor:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€220.92 @ Amazon Netherlands)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140 77.8 CFM CPU Cooler (€46.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€187.86 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory (€109.00 @ Megekko)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€155.05 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card (€909.00 @ Azerty)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Lite ATX Mid Tower Case (€89.90 @ Megekko)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€114.77 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS FO27Q2 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Monitor (€659.00 @ Alternate)
Total: €2492.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-27 21:53 CET+0100

Without a monitor:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€220.92 @ Amazon Netherlands)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140 77.8 CFM CPU Cooler (€46.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€187.86 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory (€109.00 @ Megekko)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€155.05 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card (€909.00 @ Azerty)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Lite ATX Mid Tower Case (€89.90 @ Megekko)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€114.77 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Total: €1833.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-27 21:54 CET+0100

 

[Why_Me]

Low profile RAM if using a dual tower cpu cooler so that the heatsinks don't impede said cooler. This allows you the option of DLSS.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (€489.00 @ Alternate)
CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€38.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: *MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard (€159.00 @ Alternate)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory (€109.90 @ Alternate)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€126.90 @ Megekko)
Video Card: *Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (€865.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Case: *Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case (€71.90 @ Megekko)
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€115.05 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Monitor: *MSI G272QPF E2 27.0" 2560 x 1440 180 Hz Monitor (€189.00 @ Alternate)
Total: €2164.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-27 22:17 CET+0100

A better look at those components.

https://www.msi.com/Monitor/G272QPF-E2

https://www.montechpc.com/en/products_detail.php?nid=356

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/montech-air-903-base/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/mem...cl30-amd-expo-memory-black-cmk32gx5m2b6000z30

 

[logainofhades]

With the 9800x3d only a couple weeks away, I would hold off buying anything right now.

 

[helper800]

With the 9800x3d only a couple weeks away, I would hold off buying anything right now.

its purported to be 450-600 dollars depending on where you look. That price is hard to justify even if its 25% faster than a 14600k, same with the 7800X3D...

 

[Seburb]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Build looks great for someone as a first poster. I would however opt for 2x SSD's. A smaller capacity drive for the OS, app's and launchers while the larger drive will act as the game library.

Out of curiosity, do you plan on adding more 2.5"/3.5" drives to the build or perhaps a lot more fans or maybe even watercooling? If not, you could downsize the case.

Just an FYI, you can pass on the link to your build if you focus your attention to the in-site address bar, pass on what you see. We can then edit it without much difficulty.

Thank you for the kind feedback!
I’ll take the size of the case into account, and look into two smaller SSD’s.

 

[Seburb]

That is a decently optimized build but you could save about half on the CPU and its platform by going with an Intel platform while still getting 90%+ of the performance in most cases. This is even more true if you ever get a 1440p+ monitor like I recommend because its in the budget. XL cases are usually way bigger and more expensive than they are worth so the smaller much cheaper version of that case is what I recommend. You would get very similar performance between the cases. You can save a bit on the SSD while getting very similar performance by getting a Crucial T500 at 2 TB. Here is my recommendation with and without a monitor:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€220.92 @ Amazon Netherlands)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140 77.8 CFM CPU Cooler (€46.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€187.86 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory (€109.00 @ Megekko)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€155.05 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card (€909.00 @ Azerty)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Lite ATX Mid Tower Case (€89.90 @ Megekko)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€114.77 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS FO27Q2 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Monitor (€659.00 @ Alternate)
Total: €2492.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-27 21:53 CET+0100

Without a monitor:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€220.92 @ Amazon Netherlands)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140 77.8 CFM CPU Cooler (€46.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€187.86 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory (€109.00 @ Megekko)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€155.05 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card (€909.00 @ Azerty)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Lite ATX Mid Tower Case (€89.90 @ Megekko)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€114.77 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Total: €1833.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-27 21:54 CET+0100

Amazing feedback, thank you so much!

Some questions: I do see a list of some potential incompatabilities with these parts. I'm still a novice in that department. Anything I need to worry about? These are the messages:

• A: Warning: The MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard supports the Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor with BIOS version 7D31vHE. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.
• B: Note: The Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory operating voltage of 1.45 V exceeds the Intel Raptor Lake Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1350 mv+5% (1417.5 mv). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1350 mv voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
• C: Disclaimer: Some physical constraints are not checked, such as RAM clearance with CPU Coolers.

 

[triplex1]

Amazing feedback, thank you so much!

Some questions: I do see a list of some potential incompatabilities with these parts. I'm still a novice in that department. Anything I need to worry about? These are the messages:

• A: Warning: The MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard supports the Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor with BIOS version 7D31vHE. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.
• B: Note: The Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory operating voltage of 1.45 V exceeds the Intel Raptor Lake Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1350 mv+5% (1417.5 mv). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1350 mv voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
• C: Disclaimer: Some physical constraints are not checked, such as RAM clearance with CPU Coolers.

Change your cooler with Evo

 

[helper800]

Amazing feedback, thank you so much!

Some questions: I do see a list of some potential incompatabilities with these parts. I'm still a novice in that department. Anything I need to worry about? These are the messages:

• A: Warning: The MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard supports the Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor with BIOS version 7D31vHE. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.
• B: Note: The Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory operating voltage of 1.45 V exceeds the Intel Raptor Lake Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1350 mv+5% (1417.5 mv). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1350 mv voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
• C: Disclaimer: Some physical constraints are not checked, such as RAM clearance with CPU Coolers.

Your welcome!

1. The MSI MPG z690 can come with a BIOS that the CPU does not support, however, because this motherboard came out before the 14000 series of CPUs and the z790 motherboards its on a nice discount. It is a very nice motherboard with better features than most of the cheaper z790 motherboards that would guarantee out of box support for your CPU. The BIOS can be easily updated if it arrives without one that supports the 14600k in my recommended build. That motherboard will very likely come with a BIOS that can support that CPU.

2. That RAM kit I picked is a very fast low timing kit that is fully supported by both the CPU and the motherboard, though if you were to set XMP to a profile that uses more than 1.35v or 5600mghz it would be considered an OC. Getting RAM kits that can run above the default JEDEC speeds is very common. This particular kit is only slightly more expensive and gives you the option to get much more performance out of your RAM. Every build I have made and most that are suggested here on Toms will come with kits of RAM that are above the baseline specs for the CPU. These speeds that the kit can run at are something that would need to be manually turned on in the BIOS with a drop down table called XMP profile. Usually there are multiple profiles to choose from at different speeds and voltages. TLR it gives you options right out of the gate, and faster RAM kits are nearly universally good things to have as an option as long as they are within budget.

3. The RAM clearance warning with the CPU cooler is because PCPPicker cannot verify that all configurations of case, motherboard, CPU, and RAM are compatible in all combinations. The particular CPU cooler I chose is a very high performance cooler with several settings for RAM of all sizes. The fan on the cooler furthest to the right of the motherboard clips onto the CPU cooler above the RAM. The height that you can clip that fan onto the heatsink is very adjustable so that there is plenty of clearance for RAM sticks.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask!

 

[helper800]

On a separate note, I saw that the budget was actually up to 2300 Euros and when I made the first suggested build I mistakenly thought it was 2500 euros. Here is my top recommendation within budget with the nice monitor!

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€224.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140 77.8 CFM CPU Cooler (€46.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€187.86 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory (€109.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€155.05 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card (€689.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Lite ATX Mid Tower Case (€89.90 @ Megekko)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€114.77 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS FO27Q2 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Monitor (€659.00 @ Alternate)
Total: €2276.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-10-28 16:34 CET+0100