News After just 12 days, Nintendo is already nuking Switch 2 consoles for players caught using Mig Flash — popular cartridge allows Switch 1 games on th...

[geofferey]

It's a low IQ move if you ask me. Banning people from your online markets and services so you can ensure you never get another cent. Genius moves!

Stop buying their trash, stop trying to re-live your childhood... Nintendo never valued your loyalty and love for their products anyways. You and your children are just another dollar to these suits, nothing more. It's pointless, souless trash with zero innovation anymore.

I'll continue to enjoy the old days with emulators but even that's a stretch given my hatred for the company at this point. There is no good in Nintendo or any modern day tech company for that matter. It's all control, subscriptions and lack of ANY ownership whatsoever. I'm gonna laugh at anyone who went digital and expects any type of preservation in the not so distant the future.

 

[circadia]

The Deck is like 500 for worse specs (770ti, bad screen res on either the OLED or LCD, 16gb is obsolete for PC gaming, 90min-2hr realistic battery life, CPU on par with low end Walmart ryzen 3 laptop that's like $200) and a <Mod Edit> OS that's not optimized. Ur just a salty deck meatrider anyway. Especially when you see how much of a commercial failure the deck is compared to the switch 2 or other better PC handhelds

okay, some of your points about the Steam Deck, I can understand, some others... they're just straight up stupid.

- 16GB is obsolete??? when???
- how are you so sure the Deck's CPU is "on par" with such a laptop?
- Linux makes games quite a bit faster, just look at benchmarks...

 

[TheyStoppedit]

As far as a future Class Action lawsuit for bricking consoles. Just a heads up, Nintendo much like Apple have incredible lawyers. They also warned in advance what they could do if their hardware was compromised. If the end user accepts the terms then it will make it incredibly hard to win litigation if they brick your hardware. Here's one of many articles covering this very topic.

And Nintendo isn't the only console maker that has issued that threat !

Why console makers can legally brick your game console

“If the ability [to brick a console] is there, someone will want to ‘see how it goes.'”…

arstechnica.com

The problem here, is that bricking a console isn't just bricking a console. It's taking away something that you paid for which you can not do. Paying for something makes it rightfully yours. If they want to take it away, that's fine. But they damn well better reimburse the customer what they paid for the device. Bricking the console is FUNCTIONALLY no different then literally swiping it out of their hand AFTER they paid for it.

An agreed to EULA does not allow them to take away basic consumer rights. EULA has limits. You don't get to fine print your way around consumer rights. Monsanto found that out the hard way when they were handed a wrongful death suit. There was fine print on their product that clearly stated the dangers of their product and that they are not liable for anything that happens to the consumer from use. This was very clearly printed. 2 people died. Monsanto was sued. They lost

EULAs are not a weapon to attack consumer rights. If purchasing isn't ownership, then piracy isn't theft. If you can purchase a product, and the manufacturer can walk up to you and swipe it from your hands at a moment's notice and not give you your money back, I'm sorry, but just.... That's not happening. That's exactly what bricking the console is. I think the reason it's been done so rarely, if at all, is because if they start doing it avidly, it will get tested in court and Nintendo would lose, not to mention the PR disaster.

 

[GiinTak]

Yes, because playing a backup of a game you own is now "hacking". (No, let's not turn pirates into a convenient excuse to also punish paying customers.)

Is Nintendo legally in the clear doing this? Sure. Doesn't mean anyone should like living in a world where a company gets to effectively brick hardware you've paid for (you'll probably want an update some time unless you planned to play the launch titles forever) because you played a game the wrong way.

This is why I will not be buying a Switch 2.

Lol, it literally is hacking. Hacking is just using hardware or software in an unintended way. Loading a ROM onto a custom cart to run it on a device designed and intended to only run authentic carts, literally the definition of hacking.

Y'all take media depicted extremes and assume that to be the authoritative meaning. Most hacking is far more mundane than stealing top secret files from the Pentagon, just like terrorism is literally politically motivated violence against civilians. Yes, blowing up a building can be terrorism, just like throwing a milkshake at a campaigning political candidate is also literally terrorism, and any and all political violence in between.

 

[killerbite717]

Am I suppose to feel bad for these people? Pure stupidity on those peoples part

 

[killerbite717]

A scam?

The Switch 2 comes with 2-3 hours of battery life. A laughable 256GB of storage which hasn't been relevant in a decade. (1TB NVME drives are $50) A non-OLED edge lit LCD screen. Non Hall Effect or TMR sticks, so they're 100% going to drift over time. And it runs the equivalent of a RTX 2050 Mobile, a bottom of the bin GPU from about 5 years ago.

And they have the absolute nerve to charge $450 for that thing? lol That's WILD.

Still more worth it than a Steam deck. Steam is pretty much a paper weight.
There is a reason most people dont have one

 

[ikethederg]

Still more worth it than a Steam deck. Steam is pretty much a paper weight.
There is a reason most people dont have one

Yeah especially with Linux lol Linux belongs on the server. And any edge SteamOS had is gone with the new Xbox mode in Windows lol

 

[ikethederg]

Yeah especially with Linux lol Linux belongs on the server. And any edge SteamOS had is gone with the new Xbox mode in Windows lol

IF Valve makes another deck (probably won't it's a flop especially with other handhelds with a better OS on the market now) it would probably come with said Xbox OS

 

[Sqwal]

What pisses me off with that kind of practice is that it's enforced on the console and not the account or IP, which means whoever gets their console blacklisted can resell it to some oblivious person, so the second-hand market will be even more of a gamble where you might end up with a blacklisted console...
And for anyone about to say it is for the buyer to do their own research, I say no: most average people (not people reading tomshardware or any other tech related news outlet) will barely know what piracy is and not even fathom that a console's online capabilities could be restricted. And not all second-hand market place have good return policies, especially when the issue is at the software level.

 

[rambo919]

Lol, it literally is hacking. Hacking is just using hardware or software in an unintended way. Loading a ROM onto a custom cart to run it on a device designed and intended to only run authentic carts, literally the definition of hacking.

Y'all take media depicted extremes and assume that to be the authoritative meaning. Most hacking is far more mundane than stealing top secret files from the Pentagon, just like terrorism is literally politically motivated violence against civilians. Yes, blowing up a building can be terrorism, just like throwing a milkshake at a campaigning political candidate is also literally terrorism, and any and all political violence in between.

Here is the disconnect.... people are already having an instinctual resistance to the idea that the software you pay for is not owned by you.... if a company tries to tell you what to do with something physical you paid for.... a lot of people are more likely to bash their heads in with it for the violation of personal autonomy than comply.

Which is why piracy will never stop being a thing.

 

[JohnyFin]

Nintendo become very greedy company (Switch 2 is best example), this will lead in future for many piracy problems

 

[Heat_Fan89]

Nintendo become very greedy company (Switch 2 is best example), this will lead in future for many piracy problems

Umm, I wouldn't say greedy. Nintendo has IP rights since they created both the games and hardware. As such they have the right to set terms and it is up to the buyer to review, accept or refuse those terms. Piracy has always been a problem. It is a cat and mouse game. Sony learned that with the widely popular Sony PSP.

 

[j_123]

FYI, you don't need to say "formerly Twitter" any more.

 

[j_123]

Umm, I wouldn't say greedy. Nintendo has IP rights since they created both the games and hardware. As such they have the right to set terms and it is up to the buyer to review, accept or refuse those terms. Piracy has always been a problem. It is a cat and mouse game. Sony learned that with the widely popular Sony PSP.

Nintendo is blanket-banning users who use the MIG Flash even though they may legally own the games on it. They have zero evidence of wrongdoing. It's annoying.

 

[thesyndrome]

Lol the people in these comments live in a bubble. Go outside

Said the person who seemingly only joined these forums today to defend Nintendo and started insulting anyone who says a bad word about them? Do I really need to post the "Leave the multibillion-dollar corporation alone" meme?

 

[logainofhades]

okay, some of your points about the Steam Deck, I can understand, some others... they're just straight up stupid.

- 16GB is obsolete??? when???
- how are you so sure the Deck's CPU is "on par" with such a laptop?
- Linux makes games quite a bit faster, just look at benchmarks...

Games can easily eat up 16gb these days. I have seen 16gb + usage on my system, and I only play WoW.

 

[oninoshiko]

Well, I did the easy answer and didn't buy a switch 2, and can play both modern games and ones from a decade or more ago.

PCMR4Evr

 

[Heat_Fan89]

Nintendo is blanket-banning users who use the MIG Flash even though they may legally own the games on it. They have zero evidence of wrongdoing. It's annoying.

But Nintendo set the terms of service and issued a warning on what they considered acceptable. Those Flash cards are not considered acceptable. Once a user accepts Nintendo's terms, they are bound by them.

Sure we all hate to read legalize but that's why it's a good idea, actually mandatory for a user who might be using questionable accessories to read if they could be in violation of the Rights Holders terms. I know I would.

 

[DRagor]

Here's a problem I see:
If we (as customers) allow this BS to continue then soon we wake up in a world when your fridge will not open to pick up your food unless you pay a monthly subscription to fridge's manufacturer.
Which is a nightmare world if you ask me. Nintendo has to be sued and destroyed financially for this. Or we are doomed.

 

[fivebarpipes]

Games can easily eat up 16gb these days. I have seen 16gb + usage on my system, and I only play WoW.

On linux?

 

[TerryLaze]

Nintendo is blanket-banning users who use the MIG Flash even though they may legally own the games on it. They have zero evidence of wrongdoing. It's annoying.

The usage of the mig flash alone is already wrongdoing because of the way the copyprotection works.
You have to crack the game for it to run from a backup and that's illegal, no matter if the backup itself is legal.

For the mass banning/bricking we will have to see, if the EU sues them we will know that it's not kosher.

 

[curian1286]

My big concern/question is regarding someone buying a secondhand Switch 2, only to find it having that issue. Surely Nintendo would have considered that. Maybe it is specific to the account using that particular console and not the system being completely blocked for all accounts. Otherwise....

 

[TerryLaze]

Surely Nintendo would have considered that.

They have.
They considered that they don't get any money from a second hand sale.

 

[punkncat]

Where it has been touched on to some degree in this thread, one of the biggest reasons I don't game on consoles and handheld devices really comes down to backward compatibility.

I was super into the Sony 'community' early on with Play Station and so on. There were all these promises made about how this ecosystem was going to carry on and your old games were going to play and so forth. Then, they didn't on launch. Then they took a while and might port through some other portal whether paid or hardware dependent and so on. With PC, as long as you have a launcher that continues to support the game you are pretty much golden. We have seen that model sliding some as well, but it is still multitudes better.

 

[logainofhades]

On linux?

No on Windows, but it's a 20yr old game. Modern titles are way more demanding than WoW, so I see 0 reason they can't hit or exceed 16gb, in a Linux environment.