AMD 965BE / 770-C45 Overclock

[teh187]

Ok it crashed again, do you think its my cpu voltage /cpu nb volt? Ive lowered the nb from 1.3 to about 1.28 im not sure if it would make any difference, or perhaps the cpu needs more voltage? its already at 1.4v

edit: nope, still same problem with lower nb volt at 1.28

Blech... try CPU 1.4375~1.4500V, NB 1.3V (NB clock 2000), mem at 1333 9-9-9-27-2T 1.55V.

Let's see if we can get away with that OR try reinstalling the game (but please back up your save file, just to be sure).

Try Sony Vegas and see if it conks out as well?

The funny thing is (or weird thing) is even when bios is put back to stock coretemp is still giving me 69 degrees on max through linx, lol. It really doesnt sound right considering 3.8 gets me to the same temp, i've reseated the heatsink twice about a week ago using correct cleaning technique etc, so no fault there, though idle temp is lower at stock bios settings

I almost thought my cpu was gone last night because i seemed to be getting more system crashes than usual..cpu manufacurers wont rma if it damages due to oc right

 

[chrisafp07]

They won't rma if they "know" you did overclock it ;p, because they want to assume it is your fault. Notice, its "if they know' hehe.
Have you tried any other temp reading programs besides Coretemp? You should give hwinfo64 or hwmonitor a try, in my experiences I cannot trust coretemp's readings, it doesn't match up with those other programs or my bios.

Also, what types of crashes are you experiencing? Complete lockup with no error message forcing a manual shutdown, or are you getting a BSOD with a specific error each time?

 

[teh187]

They won't rma if they "know" you did overclock it ;p, because they want to assume it is your fault. Notice, its "if they know' hehe.
Have you tried any other temp reading programs besides Coretemp? You should give hwinfo64 or hwmonitor a try, in my experiences I cannot trust coretemp's readings, it doesn't match up with those other programs or my bios.

Also, what types of crashes are you experiencing? Complete lockup with no error message forcing a manual shutdown, or are you getting a BSOD with a specific error each time?

BSOD's do not occur as frequently as the normal lock ups, for example occasionally on overclocked settings if prime fails, (closes all together and prime refuses to open again), other applications will also stop working alltogether and i have to restart the computer, with reverted bios settings to get stuff working again. When i say other application stop working also, an example is google chrome, ill open it and it will just say 'oops chrome has crashed' and will refuse to open. However if you have read a few posts above you will see i was getting somewhere, and passed linx a few times on 3.7, untill i started playing gta iv and discovered it constantly crashing. Hell it still crashed when oc was backed down to 3.6. Really stuck on what to do now


just to state again here is what i passed linx on (many settings ago, which was yesterday or day before)

1.412v - cpu voltage (may be a few 0.005/10's under or over)
1.3b - cpu nb
nb speed - 2200/2000 mhz
1333mhz 7-7-7-24-2T

Update:

Ok even after reverting back to the stock bios, gta iv still crashed. Though this time it took a little longer to crash. Really weird, perhaps its the game? (screen just froze completely, had to kill process in task manager) hopefully its not the cpu as it seems to be working fine for other applications right now

One question, sometimes linx, it will fail occasionally but 10 mins after i try again and it passes the tests? is that normal to happen? Currently im passing (5 passes) under 3.8ghz, 1.42 cpu v, 1.3nb and 1333 7-7-7-24, (however i got a blue screen saying memory management..and a load of other text). got a noctua cooler on temps seem to be peaking at around 55 so better than before at 60. gta still is locking up, hell i think it locked up at stock bios earlier on so perhaps its just the game. so just ignore that for now.

on the 1333 settings i did get a mem management bsod while using chrome.
and just failed a linx test at pass 8

need stability, ive read amd like low timings but im failing
Thanks

 

[teh187]

Double Post.

 

[abegnale]

1.412v - cpu voltage (may be a few 0.005/10's under or over)
1.3b - cpu nb
nb speed - 2200/2000 mhz
1333mhz 7-7-7-24-2T

Dude, increase memory timing 1333, 8-8-8-24-2T... Also, (I mentioned earlier on a post) try reinstalling GTA.

If you've re-sat the old Artic several times and are still getting the same temperature, it's because the CPU heatspreaded is probably more concave on your CPU than others that's why you aren't getting the right CPU+HSF seating. The Noctua might be more efficient that's why you are getting lower temps but that still would not eliminate the concave heatspreader. Try pulling out the CPU and get a blade and put over the two diagonal corners of the CPU heatspreader to see if there are any gaps on it.

Here's my settings for reference:

 

[teh187]

I had a memory management bsod again in 8-8-8-24 / 1333. Reinstalling gtaiv will take me a few more days because every morning i come to my pc and check something odd has happened and for some reasons its stop alltogether. Though thats just steam being stupid i think not my pc setttings. Ill write back once its been up.

About the thermal paste i have used a fair bit on the noctua so it should have spreaded out more evenly than last time with the arctic, about the temps do you think mine should be lower? My case has good airflow

 

[chrisafp07]

I had a memory management bsod again in 8-8-8-24 / 1333. Reinstalling gtaiv will take me a few more days because every morning i come to my pc and check something odd has happened and for some reasons its stop alltogether. Though thats just steam being stupid i think not my pc setttings. Ill write back once its been up.

About the thermal paste i have used a fair bit on the noctua so it should have spreaded out more evenly than last time with the arctic, about the temps do you think mine should be lower? My case has good airflow

Make sure you only apply about a 5mm diameter blob of thermal paste in the center, too much will negatively affect cooling.

You should drop you NB down to your RAM's stock speed and set the RAM speed to its stock as well. Lower the NB voltage to 1.05 and try again.

 

[teh187]

I had a memory management bsod again in 8-8-8-24 / 1333. Reinstalling gtaiv will take me a few more days because every morning i come to my pc and check something odd has happened and for some reasons its stop alltogether. Though thats just steam being stupid i think not my pc setttings. Ill write back once its been up.

About the thermal paste i have used a fair bit on the noctua so it should have spreaded out more evenly than last time with the arctic, about the temps do you think mine should be lower? My case has good airflow

Make sure you only apply about a 5mm diameter blob of thermal paste in the center, too much will negatively affect cooling.

You should drop you NB down to your RAM's stock speed and set the RAM speed to its stock as well. Lower the NB voltage to 1.05 and try again.

Okay should i use the default timings for it as well which is 9-9-9-24
And when you say drop my nb down are you referring to cpu nb which is at 2000mhz at the moment, or my nb voltage?
thanks

 

[chrisafp07]

I'm referring to your CPU/NB and its corresponding voltage. For some experiencing RAM instability this can provide a fix while really not sacrificing any real world performance. Make sure you leave you regular NB on normal voltage, only adjust the CPU/NB voltage and clock speed.

 

[abegnale]

I had a memory management bsod again in 8-8-8-24 / 1333. Reinstalling gtaiv will take me a few more days because every morning i come to my pc and check something odd has happened and for some reasons its stop alltogether. Though thats just steam being stupid i think not my pc setttings. Ill write back once its been up.

About the thermal paste i have used a fair bit on the noctua so it should have spreaded out more evenly than last time with the arctic, about the temps do you think mine should be lower? My case has good airflow

Make sure you only apply about a 5mm diameter blob of thermal paste in the center, too much will negatively affect cooling.

You should drop you NB down to your RAM's stock speed and set the RAM speed to its stock as well. Lower the NB voltage to 1.05 and try again.

Okay should i use the default timings for it as well which is 9-9-9-24
And when you say drop my nb down are you referring to cpu nb which is at 2000mhz at the moment, or my nb voltage?
thanks

1333 9-9-9-24-2T then if you have odd things happening (which was about the same as what was happening to me when I was running my memory at 1T). Let's see if 9-9-9-24-2T will give you problems.

Thanks for joining in Chris; good idea to keep NB/HT at 2000 first. Try CPU at ~1.4250, and NB VID at 1.1-1.2 then memory at 9-9-9-24-2T. Try running LinX to see if it somewhat works then try an hour or two of Prime. Try doing something in Sony Vegas too.

 

[teh187]

I had a memory management bsod again in 8-8-8-24 / 1333. Reinstalling gtaiv will take me a few more days because every morning i come to my pc and check something odd has happened and for some reasons its stop alltogether. Though thats just steam being stupid i think not my pc setttings. Ill write back once its been up.

About the thermal paste i have used a fair bit on the noctua so it should have spreaded out more evenly than last time with the arctic, about the temps do you think mine should be lower? My case has good airflow

Make sure you only apply about a 5mm diameter blob of thermal paste in the center, too much will negatively affect cooling.

You should drop you NB down to your RAM's stock speed and set the RAM speed to its stock as well. Lower the NB voltage to 1.05 and try again.

Okay should i use the default timings for it as well which is 9-9-9-24
And when you say drop my nb down are you referring to cpu nb which is at 2000mhz at the moment, or my nb voltage?
thanks

1333 9-9-9-24-2T then if you have odd things happening (which was about the same as what was happening to me when I was running my memory at 1T). Let's see if 9-9-9-24-2T will give you problems.

Thanks for joining in Chris; good idea to keep NB/HT at 2000 first. Try CPU at ~1.4250, and NB VID at 1.1-1.2 then memory at 9-9-9-24-2T. Try running LinX to see if it somewhat works then try an hour or two of Prime. Try doing something in Sony Vegas too.

I was messing a little about with settings today, though not by much. My nb voltage is set back to auto my mem on 1333 8-8-8-24 this time cpu voltage 1.44 which is higher than you said, though i passed prime 3 hours and linx passed fine, though lower voltage would be nice..
thing is the memory management bsod comes when it wants to so its hard to try and forcefully get one to test if it has been solved.

gta iv, i did uninstall it but trying to re-install it is a f***ing pain =/, ill buy it on cd at a later date (steam is hopeless). I have dota 2 which i play occasionally but it is no where as near cpu intensive as gta.

i will change the settings in the morning as you stated above, and hope for the best.

 

[abegnale]

I had a memory management bsod again in 8-8-8-24 / 1333. Reinstalling gtaiv will take me a few more days because every morning i come to my pc and check something odd has happened and for some reasons its stop alltogether. Though thats just steam being stupid i think not my pc setttings. Ill write back once its been up.

About the thermal paste i have used a fair bit on the noctua so it should have spreaded out more evenly than last time with the arctic, about the temps do you think mine should be lower? My case has good airflow

Make sure you only apply about a 5mm diameter blob of thermal paste in the center, too much will negatively affect cooling.

You should drop you NB down to your RAM's stock speed and set the RAM speed to its stock as well. Lower the NB voltage to 1.05 and try again.

Okay should i use the default timings for it as well which is 9-9-9-24
And when you say drop my nb down are you referring to cpu nb which is at 2000mhz at the moment, or my nb voltage?
thanks

1333 9-9-9-24-2T then if you have odd things happening (which was about the same as what was happening to me when I was running my memory at 1T). Let's see if 9-9-9-24-2T will give you problems.

Thanks for joining in Chris; good idea to keep NB/HT at 2000 first. Try CPU at ~1.4250, and NB VID at 1.1-1.2 then memory at 9-9-9-24-2T. Try running LinX to see if it somewhat works then try an hour or two of Prime. Try doing something in Sony Vegas too.

I was messing a little about with settings today, though not by much. My nb voltage is set back to auto my mem on 1333 8-8-8-24 this time cpu voltage 1.44 which is higher than you said, though i passed prime 3 hours and linx passed fine, though lower voltage would be nice..
thing is the memory management bsod comes when it wants to so its hard to try and forcefully get one to test if it has been solved.

gta iv, i did uninstall it but trying to re-install it is a f***ing pain =/, ill buy it on cd at a later date (steam is hopeless). I have dota 2 which i play occasionally but it is no where as near cpu intensive as gta.

i will change the settings in the morning as you stated above, and hope for the best.

That looks good. Try cleaning the memory pins then re-seat. I see that temps have dwindled down. As soon as things seem stable, try getting the CPU at 3.9 (the extra voltage at 1.44 might be too much for the 3.8 so we might get away with bumping up to 3.9? - but that's later on okay?)

Good luck!

 

[chrisafp07]

No problem about chiming in. I would def recommend the cpu/nb clock drop only in worst case scenario. I just figured it was worth a try to find some stability.

So you passed Prime for 3 hours now but are still getting random memory BSOD? I know this may be a stupuid question, and it may have been covered above, (I tried reading through everything I could) but did you run Memtest on that RAM together and individually yet?

 

[teh187]

No problem about chiming in. I would def recommend the cpu/nb clock drop only in worst case scenario. I just figured it was worth a try to find some stability.

So you passed Prime for 3 hours now but are still getting random memory BSOD? I know this may be a stupuid question, and it may have been covered above, (I tried reading through everything I could) but did you run Memtest on that RAM together and individually yet?

ive never used memtest, i will soon. like i said i cant really trigger a memory bsod as easily as i can with a system lock up due to failed linx test.. when the next one happens i will post back right away, for now ill do prime overnight and see if it runs for a full 8 hours or so

one question about cool and quiet why does everyone reccomend it turned off for testing, considering it will be used in daily use for applications, is it because it messes with the voltages or something on the tests?

 

[chrisafp07]

Well I've never turned it on and watched my voltages but yes, I would assume that it definitely will alter the power going to the cpu and probably will force the cpu to throttle under high loads. Not 100% sure, but I've always disabled as second nature when overclocking. I did find this for your reference: http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64738.0

I would say if you run into instability your next step should be to run Memtest.

 

[abegnale]

This is old but this is where I got the foundation for all the OC on my 955...

Credits to Dolk for spending so much time dialing in and lab-ratting results:
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596023

Spend time reading on it and I'm more than sure it'll be of great help to you.

Look into a two phase pstate as CnQ throttles between 4 settings. On my screenshot, I'm on Phenom Msr Tweaker (although an older revision that only has TWO pstate - which is what I need). Low state 1600 on terribly low voltage and for 3D and other CPU-intensive programs, 3800.

As Chris is trying to eliminate bad ram, try running the mem sticks one at a time? That should rule out any probs.

 

[teh187]

Just got a general bsod while putting a usb in to the front of my computer what could be the cause of that (the usb had no virus i know its clean). by general bsod it says, something has stopped your computer from working or something like that i cant remember what it said, but it was a memory one. was it really just bad luck? its a shame because things seemed to be going well

as said above by one of you i will put voltage back down to 1.42 and my nb to 1.2, with 99924 1333 timings. will run prime overnight hopefully a little better this time

 

[abegnale]

Out of the blue, what power supply are you using?

 

[santiodarc]

The problem could in fact be the adapter as well.

 

[teh187]

Prime failed overnight again. Same thing as usual prime shuts it self and google chrome crashes too. Refuses to open. im using a 500w enermax power supply
linx always passes (fails occasionally) but prime always crashes like a few hours in..really confusing.

 

[chrisafp07]

Prime failed overnight again. Same thing as usual prime shuts it self and google chrome crashes too. Refuses to open. im using a 500w enermax power supply
linx always passes (fails occasionally) but prime always crashes like a few hours in..really confusing.

Is this your power supply? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194003 If so it should be completely fine with your setup.

Also how were your temps during that overnight Prime run? What was your max and average temperature? How hot did the cpu socket get? Usually labeled cpu tin, or even just cpu.

Also, have you run Memtest yet? If you haven't and are still getting these BSOD you need to. At least eliminate it as a possibility so you can move on. I'm telling you if you keep going through this and then run Memtest later on to find out it was RAM you wasted alot of time trying to get stable. Just run Memtest, if it fails, there you go. If it passes, well at least we have scientifically eliminated that possibility. If you need help creating the bootable just come on back, I'm sure Abegnale, myself or anyone else will be able to walk you through that. It is pretty easy.

 

[teh187]

Prime failed overnight again. Same thing as usual prime shuts it self and google chrome crashes too. Refuses to open. im using a 500w enermax power supply
linx always passes (fails occasionally) but prime always crashes like a few hours in..really confusing.

Is this your power supply? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194003 If so it should be completely fine with your setup.

Also how were your temps during that overnight Prime run? What was your max and average temperature? How hot did the cpu socket get? Usually labeled cpu tin, or even just cpu.

Also, have you run Memtest yet? If you haven't and are still getting these BSOD you need to. At least eliminate it as a possibility so you can move on. I'm telling you if you keep going through this and then run Memtest later on to find out it was RAM you wasted alot of time trying to get stable. Just run Memtest, if it fails, there you go. If it passes, well at least we have scientifically eliminated that possibility. If you need help creating the bootable just come on back, I'm sure Abegnale, myself or anyone else will be able to walk you through that. It is pretty easy.

I was going to install it on my usb last night before the blue screen which happened 1 seconds after lol. I will try it again. And the max temp i have ever seen with the new cooler is 51/52. Last night 51 i believe.

 

[chrisafp07]

Ok cool, your temps are perfect then. Run Memtest86, if your RAM together is getting errors then run 1 stick at a time. Come back and let us know what happens! Goodluck

 

[teh187]

I will test now and hope for the best, this memory was bought off ebay so i dont know if ill still be able to open a case, if it doesnt past the test

 

[teh187]

Ok cool, your temps are perfect then. Run Memtest86, if your RAM together is getting errors then run 1 stick at a time. Come back and let us know what happens! Goodluck

There was a load of red bars and i got like 30000 errors or something, that doesnt look good at all though i dont really understand how the application works. i guess ill have to get new ram eventually? kinda worried now. im not sure whether i can get a refund back for these as i got these many weeks ago