AMD and Intel General Discussion (not for getting help)

[Reynod]

Despite the public Larrabee flush Intel still went ahead and glued a GPU (well a basic one) next to a CPU and it is selling ... i3 / i5.

I bet the Larrabee project is still up and running ... but under far less pressure now.

Just like the i7 integrated the memory controller eventually, and put 4 cores on the same die (after the core2's) ... they will shortly stick a GPU on the same die as the cpu.

It is more cost effective ... simple.

My prediction ... Larrabee is still running .... under the radar.

 

[Upendra09]

you will now be terminated

 

[Cryslayer80]

I think upendra09 should get a job in AMD/Intel marketing department His posts in the forums are just like TV (and internet) advertising, meaning they are: interrupting, not related to anything that is being talked about, annoying and occasional, and most of all, make no sense. Hm... I wouldn't want an employee like that in my company. Join Spintel today! 😀

JK upend...

 

[randomizer]

You're not supposed to be here... Get off my lawn!

 

[Cryslayer80]

And since when do kittehs own 'em?

 

[Upendra09]

since dogs sold them

DUH!!!!!!!

 

[randomizer]

What he means is: Since cats "acquired" them.

 

[Upendra09]

yeah cuz the dogs took pity on u stupid cats, u guys needed some shelter

 

[Upendra09]

they finallly moderate the comments

this means they are looking for more mods too..................

hmmmmmmmm 😀

 

[Mousemonkey]

this means they are looking for more mods too

No it doesn't. 😛

 

[Upendra09]

darn

 

[Mousemonkey]

darn

Do you? 'cos I got socks with holes in that use your skills. 😀

 

[Upendra09]

?????

 

[Mousemonkey]

?????

What do they teach in school these days? yeesh.


darn verb
/dɑːn/US pronunciation symbol/dɑːrn/ v [T]
to repair a hole or a piece of clothing with long stitches across the hole and other stitches woven across them
She still darns the holes in her socks.

 

[Upendra09]

ohhh ok
no

 

[Avro Arrow]

Anand is a bought and paid for Intel Shill.

I applaud the quality of his past articles but in the last 5 years his website has atrophied to the point where it is no longer useful ... unless you want a warm and fuzzy Intel feel.

Lets face it ... the news feed site connected to it is the worst in the business.

The layout is a disaster.

It loads slow.

One good point - their forum section is quality ... but over moderated and there are no real "Characters" like you encourage here.

We have a lot of fun ... and nobody loses an eye now that the moderation team is a positive one.

Anand has to maintain a negative AMD image ... or Intel will probably cut his "lifeline" with earlier ES and permission to leak reviews before anyone else.

I would now rate Charlies semiaccurate site higher than anandtech, as the AMD and ATI lead news is broken there (or with Fuad A at Fudzilla) well before anyone else, and they also maintain current engineering knowledge on NVidia ... again ... well before anyone else. Bot those sites do not have the reviews like are available here though.

What THG does now have (as it was going downhill 2 years ago) is a superior hardware review team in Chris A, Don W, and some insightful stuff from Markus Y, and a good article here and there from Thomas S.

Maintaining the currency of the existing database by adding new products (reviews on cards, cpus', drives etc) is the backbone of this site ... in terms of being of interest, and relevent to the users out there.

To see how bad a site can go overnight take a look at the venerable old archetype Mike M setup ... the inquirer. Since the core staff left a while back it died ... in the last week a revamp basically sunk it to new lows.

I agree that he does tend to have an Intel bias but I really must point out that he was one of the few review sites that had the sense to compare the Phenom II X4 920 and 940 to their intended targets. Namely the Q8200 and Q9400 respectively. I will always respect him for that because he didn't tow Intel's line and do the COMPLETELY RETARDED comparison against the i7 which stacks the deck so heavily in Intel's favour.

 

[Reynod]

I think Markus should put me on staff as forum idiot.

That way I can look good all of the time.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I think Markus should put me on staff as forum idiot.

That way I can look good all of the time.

Ah, don't be so hard on yourself. I've seen REAL morons in online forums and believe me, you're not one of them.

 

[Upendra09]

Reynod is a genius but he acts stupid so that the n00bs like me can feel better abt themselves 😀

 

[Avro Arrow]

Reynod is a genius but he acts stupid so that the n00bs like me can feel better abt themselves 😀

Well at least you're a veteran noob. I'm just an apprentice. Apparently I haven't quite learned how to be a noob yet!

 

[Upendra09]

yeah, i have a badge and a hammer though

😀

 

[grb1212]

intels is nice and im an amd fan myself intel is over prited i will put my machine up against any intel and win

 

[Upendra09]

no you won't cuz Intel is currently the top

about 5 years ago u could have won

 

[Avro Arrow]

i'm still amazed that when entering this forum you aren't given a book of matches, and i only skimmed through a few pages.

So first and foremost....did anyone ever figure out the increasing popularity of the french language? I find it hard to picture people not from france (or canada) waking up one morning and proclaiming "i want to be more like...the french"

Hey, I'm a Canadian and I LOVE the fact that I can speak French! LOL

second i know it was from awhile ago, but my take on the i5 series unpopularity (at least at first haven't been paying much attention in tech circles past few months) is due to the ongoing trend of "new entry level chip.....new socket req that covers the price difference of the chips with HT still enabled!"Intel makes great strides in a wide variety of tech fields, SSD's Ethernet, BUS/interface improvements, they produce ungodly huge volumes of silicone, and their business model of "GIMMIE THAT IT'S MINE, that's not fair we can't figure out how to do that yet so why can they? die-shrinks = new socket designs, if you play with those other guys we won't share our toys with you Mr.OEM and of course putting all their products on the lowest shelf so thier customers have to bend over making it easier for intel to "service" them. They accept the fact that the majority of their customer base doesn't know the difference between a Mac and a Dell, and they embrace it with marketing of half truths and shiny distractions.

Well that's nothing new! LOL

AMD on the other hand has almost no marketing department, have 1/20th the resources and still manages to be the innovative of the two, considers what's best for their majority customer base with their designs and is actually more interested in advancement in the tech field no matter how many times they almost go broke to successfully break new ground where intel failed to.

That's why my Avatar tag says "Intel is SATAN!"

We've had 64bit hardware and OS's around on a consumer level for 7 years, intel couldn't compete in that field, so they denounce it, dismiss it and focus their effort into distracting everyone with shiny things in marketing gimmicks. Vista was supposed to be exclusively 64bit, and dx10 was supposed to include tesilation, it was a selling point in fact that MS coordinated with AMD/ATI to ensure they would have the 2900HD card complete with tessellation ready for Vista launch, as well as optimized vista around A64. Intel's chip sets can barely render XP let alone meet new and improved standards, so they bitched until that along with a couple other features were removed from DX10 so their chip sets could continue to limp along. Same deal with why we got a 32bit version of Vista, intel couldn't break through the 64bit barrier so they had to be accommodated further even after doing all they could to keep people running xp with their 32bit chips. Vista got earmarked as horrible because 32bit version sucked and blew similtaniously because it was never designed with those limitations in mind, so DX10 was useless due to insignificant feature improvements as well as 80 some % of users still running XP which didn't support it.

Actually it was nVidia doing the bitching about DX11, although Intel probably was involved too.

Yet somehow intel is praised for taking the Pentium pro and P3 designs and turning them into C2/Q, was a great 32bit chip, made amd look horrible since A64 chips in 32bit OS's took a 20% performance hit....but i can't get around how much worse it makes EVERY chip between p3 and C2 look even worse. because even they had to admit thier was no salvaging numerous product designs they marketed the hell out of over most of a decade with their fingers crossed all the while.

The Core 2 Quad is NOT a 32-bit CPU. One of the Pentium-4 2.8GHz's was the first Intel x86-x64 CPU and all those that followed are also 64-bit including the Core 2 series. I don't know what point you're trying to make in this case. I hate Intel but I won't lie about them.

The i7 is an impressive chip in performance....if someone gave me an i7 system i'd prolly use it, but not if it means accepting the fact that it will be bested by the tock cycle at a fraction of the price in another 6-9 months and require a system overhaul. Besides which it's overkill for pretty much anyone who doesn't do any rendering extensive video editing or complex scientific simulations. Nice to have, but not justifiable for the majority

Some people just need an Intel-based penis extension. It's so they can feel like they're the big spender buying the completely useless Gallardo when a Supra Turbo is every bit the equal of it in the majority of cases and costs way less.

Baffling that the higher performing i7 based server chips limited to a dual socket/8-core server was overlooked in lieu of AMD's 48-core 8 socket configuration...that were already backwards compatible with existing motherboards to the point of AMD selling out of the 6 core chips for the better part of a year 3 weeks before official launch.

Isn't backwards compatibility the reason that the AMD Athlon 64 succeeded where the Intel Itanium 64 failed? AMD RULES the realm of backwards-compatibility.

(Larrabee) performed half as well as it should of and clocked 1/3rd as high as was promised, and the most recent had one of their longest existing employees in charge of the project throw up his hands after multiple hardware delays, poor yields, design complications and performance issues saying "it's hopeless and never going to work, and i don't want my name attached to it when it crashes and burns at launch, i quit" It was never going to be a successful GPU anyone capable of basic math skills should have figured that out after the first round of articles on the specs. Has great potential as a gpgpu, but for now it's consumer launch is postponed indefinitely.

Wait a minute... Intel can't make good GPUs? Well we knew THAT already! LOL

People can only get screwed by intel so much before getting pounded a bit too raw. But doesn't quite matter so long as AMD keeps the trend in their gpu designs.

Here come the Canadians (ATi) to the rescue!!!

"in soviet russia, screws intel you!

Along with everywhere else in the world.

 

[Avro Arrow]

When it came to LRB, I tried telling them. All the Intel fanbois came out and labeled me, it didnt matter I was dead on about LRB, about Intels IGP.
I think i5 is hated somewhat by Intels own, the i7 buyers themselves, which I again tried to tell about. They needed to put down i5 or allow it to be put down, because it performed as well if not better than their precious, was cooler, used less power etc.
Thats a great read ioceed, and tho its in grinding style against the sovereign, it nails it pretty much.
AMD has no marketing, or, its marketing isnt like M$ or Apple or Intel, where they dont need word of mouth to help them along, or sites such as Toms or Anands. No, AMD needs such sites and marketing, they arent a household name, and until they are, theyll have a tougher time.
They need a AVIS POV, and show No.2 tries garder proof/popularity type marketing approach

Well he ALMOST gets it all. Except the whacked-out idea that the Core 2 Quad CPUs are 32-bit. (??????)
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I do agree that AMD needs the review sites but so many (such as AnandTech) have been bought and are owned by Intel and basically allow Intel to dictate what tests they run and what the outcomes are. I mean seriously, comparing a Phenom II X4 to a Core i7 920 is like comparing a Core 2 Quad to a Core i7 920. Can you say "Apples and Oranges"? LOL! I believe that every site that did that is guilty of either blatant stupidity or of being owned by Intel. You saw Phenom II vs. i7 a lot more than Phenom II vs. Core 2 Quad which would have made a lot more sense IMHO. The Core 2 Quad is what AMD was aiming at. Here's the review that forever destroyed HardOCP's credibility in my eyes:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/05/19/real_world_gameplay_cpu_scaling/
They took the most powerful i7s and even a Core 2 Extreme QX9650 and compared them to the Phenom II X4 810 and X3 720BE. I mean, just how moronic can you get? Here's to hoping that the Phenom II X6 takes down the Core i7 920! Then AMD will be back in the game because nobody in their right mind will pay the kind of money Intel is going to want for the i7 6-core.