AMD becomes Intel as trio socket switch frenzy

[eden]

Wow, this has Intel beat!

AMD to introduce 3 damn sockets for Athlon 64 alone. Heheh, well that compensates for any changes they were to do with Socket A AthlonXPs. I wonder what excuse the fanboys will now use, now that AMD also will screw up lots of consumers who buy the 754 pin A64s.
"sigh"

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10794" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10794</A>
and
<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10811" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10811</A>

An even more interesting yet funny example of how consumers will be screwed up even more when paying for Workstations:

So, the burning question is, what's the difference between the 940 pin Opteron 1xx and the 940 pin Athlon64? Before you ask that question, make sure your local AMD representative is not a) standing upright b) around anything that they could hit their head on c) holding any sharp objects. The difference is the laser etching on the heat spreader that says Opteron 1xx or Athlon64. Yup, that's it.

Quote from this interesting article revealing it: <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10686" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10686</A>

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[Spitfire_x86]

They are using actually 2 sockets. The 940 pin version exists only for compatibility with Opteron mobos.

However, this also sux. Before you could buy a Duron and then upgrade to Athlon without changing the mobo. Now you can't.

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[Spitfire_x86]

It's going to be like Celeron/P2. Here socket/socket instead of socket/slot.

AMD is following Intel's path slowly to achieve success. I hope within few years some 3rd CPU manufacturer will be strong enough to compeat with Intel/AMD.

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[POPEGOLDX]

only way to beat INTEL is to play thier game

socket-a-roo

 

[Spitfire_x86]

Which is very bad

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[spud]

Oh god now its the end of the world they are changeing sockets Im going to go f@cking cry... STFU you whine fan boys jesus...

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[eden]

And Spud saves the day...

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[pitsi]

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10811" target="_new">Extra Athlon64 pin mystery solved</A>

Oh and btw, it's 2 sockets. Sure it still sux but it's not three, it's two. One for the 754-pin Athlons (64-bit Durons anyone?) and one for the 940-pin Athlons, which will later on be able to also accept the 939-pin ones.

 

[spud]

Saves the gays... Im not into fanboy's they are just too skinny for me...

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[mr_gobbledegook]

There is also speculation that the 940 pin Athlon 64 will need registered memory. As far as I see there is very little diffrence between an A64 and Opteron other than multi processor support. A64 is a Opteron in sheeps clothing.

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[TheMASK]

there he does it again...Spud the Stud!

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[eden]

I don't get it, it was said that there is Socket 754, 939 AND 940. Why is it not 3 sockets?
Regardless of market availability, it seems to me there are three socket versions out there for A64.

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[bluevil]

the matter is that probably the 940 e 939 pin versions will use the same socket and the added pin will be introduced to make the first Athlon 64(the one equipped with Dual Channel and launched the 23rd Semptember) compatible with opteron mobos.

 

[eden]

And that just makes things more confusing. Why on earth would there be an A64 Opteron combo. It's pointless, I don't see any advantage.

AMD is mixing consumers far worse than Intel EVER did.

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[bluevil]

I don't think so. I can be wrong but it's clear that there will be a first version (Single Channel) with 754 pin and two version (Dual Channel) with 940-939 pins. We will never see three different processor on the market because the 939 will replace , the next year, the 940. So there will be two choices: single or dual channel. And two different kind of mobos, with support for single or dual channel, just like the CPUs. I think it's not too confused 😉

 

[POPEGOLDX]

well if your an INTELLIOT... its your duty to make sure u make everyone think its very confusing for AMD to have 2 sockets... one for dual high end and one for single lower end...

 

[Spitfire_x86]

If the 754 pin A64's are usable in 940 pin socket , then there should not be any problem.

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[eden]

You missed my point. In ONE YEAR, in fact less than one, 3 sockets have been introduced for one CPU. This is ridiculous, there probably is no new core during the 3!

The worse thing is probably that the A64 will likely be a bad performing CPU relative to Prescott, there will be ridiculously 3 sockets in one year, and fanboys will still go on.
Ah well, I guess at least the Socket A argument is forever killed.

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[pitsi]

If the 754 pin A64's are usable in 940 pin socket , then there should not be any problem.

Exactly! What does it matter whether they have 1, 2 or 15 different sockets? If they all fit on the same mobo, then there is no problem for the consumers.

The worse thing is probably that the A64 will likely be a bad performing CPU relative to Prescott...

And I assume you know this because .....? Currently, nobody knows for sure what clock frequency the 3400+ will have. If AMD managed to work things out with SOI and ramped up their speeds, then they could have a very competitive product there. And I still haven't seen any proof of Prescott's performance. I think you must agree with me that we can never judge by the specs (remember Geforce FX 5800?).

Be patient and only time will show. I trust AMD that they know what's best for them, and that they will do the right thing. I just can't understand your obsession of showing that AMD is just crap. Yes, I currently have a Barton and if A64 is a flop, then I will change to Intel. But I know for sure that nobody can predict what the outcome of the A64 vs Prescott fight will be.

 

[MaximumGoat]

1) there are only 2 sockets, opteron hardly counts.
2)they are being released at the same time, if it was intel they would release one, let everyone upgrade, then introduce the next so everyone has to upgrade again, whereas in this situation you could just buy a 939 pin one from the start,
3)when was the last time AMD introduced a new socket? long time ago (relatively).

i'm not a fanboy, but those are the facts.

 

[POPEGOLDX]

your such a intelliot its sickening

 

[eden]

You're such a hypocrite it's unbelievable.

Oh and I OWN an AMD XP, please review your facts.

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[eden]

1)There are <b>3</b> sockets, did you read the article?

let everyone upgrade, then introduce the next so everyone has to upgrade again, whereas in this situation you could just buy a 939 pin one from the start,

Please count me the timelength of Socket 478's life. In fact, include Prescott as well which is supposed to use the same socket. Don't even evade my request, answer me.

2)The point being that AMD is now doing this, when they shouldn't do it. Why did AMD NOT switch sockets when Dual Channel mainboards came out for it, but now Dual-Channel-supported A64s NEED an extra socket? Why not all into one? It's ridiculous at its best.

3)Long time ago but hey, tell me which schmuck actually got to upgrade his 1GHZ Tbird into a Barton 400MT 3200+ using the same socket same mobo. Please, tell me. Educate me with how glorifying the "Same socket" argument is valid. THEN, educate me how having an old chipset like an AMD750 is just as performing as an nForce 2 system, despite giving you about 60% of the new chipset's performance according to THG. Please, show me.

i'm not a fanboy, but those are the facts.

Facts only uninformed like to use.

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[eden]

Exactly! What does it matter whether they have 1, 2 or 15 different sockets? If they all fit on the same mobo, then there is no problem for the consumers.

By your theory a 478 P4 should fit and work on Xeon mainboards. Pray tell when did we ever use Socket-to-Socket configurations? This is probably the most ridiculous suggestion I ever heard and I will hit my head hard on the wall if it happens. It's beyong technical reasoning.

Currently, nobody knows for sure what clock frequency the 3400+ will have.

AMD's leaked roadmap had revealed ~2GHZ. Now you look at Opteron with 1MB L2, and you tell yourself A64 is the very same design. Now you tell me how the hell can A64 win, if sometimes the on-die mem controller DOESN'T help, making it an AXP in disguise occasionally?
There is btw no way they can change any A64 now. One month left, far from having the time to design, implement, in fact create chips out of the fab, and ship them. If the A64 is an Opteron with no SMP, it's done for. There is so little in it that can do much. It has SSE2 and the on-die mem controller, that's it. Prescott will continue offering more and more multimedia features that are USABLE.

I think you must agree with me that we can never judge by the specs (remember Geforce FX 5800?).

The FX5800 was based on a NEW CORE. NV3x has to be the most poorly conceived core with no future. P7 core is the total opposite. As for specs, it can ONLY GO UP. Prescott adds L2 over NW, adds even more SSE instructions, adds an improved HT, and some more I forgot. PLUS, it starts at 3.4GHZ. If the 3.2GHZ nails the 3200+, how on earth has Prescott any chances of being weak? It won't devastate, but it will have such an easy time against Athlon 64, and that is a sure thing thanks to 0.09m technology.

I trust AMD that they know what's best for them, and that they will do the right thing.

They've not done a single right thing in the past year except for Thorton (using more out of wafers and stopping Tbred production). Everything they did is purely marketting crap, and horrible decisions on Barton's clock speeds.

I just can't understand your obsession of showing that AMD is just crap.

Where did I say that, pray tell?
Prove me that. I only showed just how bad AMD has become, by having to resort to 3 different Athlon 64 sockets within a year. Not even implying anything about 3 market sockets at once, just TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, which some here are still not understanding, sadly. It's stupid, inefficient, and pointless. On top of that, Duron was Socket A, so if Athlon64 Socket 754 is a Duron, then you got proof of bad management on their part.
I don't understand AMD anymore, but can only say that Opteron is their only lifeline left. Forget A64 for now, to me, this thing is simply NOT gonna be enough in the long run. The K7 core should just be put to rest already, and a new 20-stage design should be created. Lord knows if the design dept. has even began researching this at least, so that we don't wait 3-4 more years before it happens (P7 took 5 years I believe to be designed).

But I know for sure that nobody can predict what the outcome of the A64 vs Prescott fight will be.

While I do agree, my tilt is strongly towards Prescott. Thermal problems aside, Intel has the power anytime to throw AMD off, thanks to their advanced core and robust fab knowledge and funding.

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[MaximumGoat]

you are confused, a64 has 2 sockets, and opteron has one, and you cant count the opteron as it is aimed at workstations/servers which are an entirely different story as i'm sure you are aware.

i dont know how long 478 has been around, but not as long as socket A, i am glad you mention the socket 478 and prescott, as prescott will shortly change to a different socket so 478 prescotts will have a very short lifespan!!

"tell me which schmuck actually got to upgrade his 1GHZ ", i upgraded thunderbird to palomino to tbred, my father has, my brother will shortly and my uncle has, i'm sure millions of other people have to. socket A with 266 bus has been around for a long time, give AMD credit for that.

i know changing bus is almost as good as changing socket as motherboards arent always compatible which is the point your making, but intel does that all the time to.

your reply to me was very agressive, this was innappropriate as this community is for discussion not arguements, it is common knowledge that intel changes specification more often than AMD.