AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[esrever]

At the end of the day we still have to live with the pre-compiled programs. Would be nice if we could remove the bias, but certainly this is difficult in the Windows world.

Faster is still faster, even if the code is biased because we certainly can't do anything about it :/.

can always boot unix and use a different program

 

[viridiancrystal]

http://www.crazyjoys.com/advanced-micro-devices-inc-nyseamd-signs-global-distribution-contract-with-symmetry-electronics,20121943

I think this is good news for AMD.

 

[gamerk316]

@Gamerk316 Hazarding a guess, correct me if wrong: 90% of the propritery/FOSS software/app/program we use on our Windows machines is built/compiled using windows SDK+ Visual Studio ?


To all :

I read an article that compared ICC vs Visual Studio . They found that Intel does discriminate against AMD CPU's.
BUT
Code compiled on ICC for AMD is faster than same code compiled on VS2012 for AMD. That is, ICC creates better code than VS2012 for both Intel and AMD. In case of Intel CPU, the code is more better.

More or less correct on both points. When you get into things like threading and graphics rendering, its hard NOT to invoke the OS SDK and API. That logic needs to be replaced when porting across platform, Java or no.

And yes, ICC typically produces better code for AMD then any other compiler. Sure, it biases Intel, but given how the compiler is designed/developed/owned by Intel, and it produces better code for AMD then any other compiler, AMD really doesn't have much of an argument to make.

 

[Cazalan]

AMD has had several options. Sadly they are not in a position really to improve that with the current layoffs and projected layoffs for early next year.

Make their own compiler.
Work with Microsoft to improve theirs.
Get more involved with GCC.

 

[griptwister]

AMD has had several options. Sadly they are not in a position really to improve that with the current layoffs and projected layoffs for early next year.

Make their own compiler.
Work with Microsoft to improve theirs.
Get more involved with GCC.

I couldn't agree more...

 

[esrever]

AMD has had several options. Sadly they are not in a position really to improve that with the current layoffs and projected layoffs for early next year.

Make their own compiler.
Work with Microsoft to improve theirs.
Get more involved with GCC.

D- none of the above and just quit the high end market.

 

[griptwister]

D- none of the above and just quit the high end market.

:lol: Someone wants processor prices higher than Wiz Khalifa and less demand for performance increase from intel.

 

[esrever]

:lol: Someone wants processor prices higher than Wiz Khalifa and less demand for performance increase from intel.

I really could care less about how much it costs for an i7. For my needs, AMD actually offers better performance/$ and is even competitive on performance/watt. Trinity APUs for general use is great. As long as I can do basic gaming on my off time and run 2 virtual machines Im fine.

 

[griptwister]

I really could care less about how much it costs for an i7. For my needs, AMD actually offers better performance/$ and is even competitive on performance/watt. Trinity APUs for general use is great. As long as I can do basic gaming on my off time and run 2 virtual machines Im fine.

I see what you're saying... It sounded like you wanted AMD going down hill for a second there... But I like AMD's "Enthusiast Level" Processors I hope they get their Gig together and release a finished product by Summer 2013 (even though we all know that's not happening).

 

[-Fran-]

AMD has had several options. Sadly they are not in a position really to improve that with the current layoffs and projected layoffs for early next year.

Make their own compiler.
Work with Microsoft to improve theirs.
Get more involved with GCC.

Uhm... All of the above? =/

They do have their own compiler called Open64: http://developer.amd.com/tools/cpu-development/x86-open64-compiler-suite/

They did work with MS for the old Athlon and x86_64 extension at the time, but MS never pushed more than that. That's not AMDs fault (nor Intel's for that matter).

And they do work with GCC: http://developer.amd.com/tools/open-source/gcc-and-gnu-toolchains-for-amd-platforms/

Being the underdog is not easy, because big devs answer to big bucks

Cheers!

EDIT: Typo

 

[mayankleoboy1]

AMD's open64 is quite sh!tty. In Phoronix tests, it regularly fairs worse than GCC. Plus, Open64 produces only Linux code, IIRC.

 

[amdfangirl]

I can never understand why this thread always ends up being advice for AMD as a company when more or less we should be concerned with the product.

It just amuses me .

 

[davemaster84]

I think is not so expensive to send stuff (with Amazon) to Colombia. You could take a look into the mail over seas area for Amazon. My guess is it should be around usd$40 to send it.

And the FX8350 holds its own in some games. Too bad Intel still gets more love though

Cheers!

Thanks man!

 

[davemaster84]

Well if he lives in Bogota and thinks it's Iran, he has a somewhat bigger problem, such as maybe using iMaps ..

True story there's a big difference between Iran and Colombia but whatever, I'll wait a bit and see what happens. Thanks people

 

[esrever]

I can never understand why this thread always ends up being advice for AMD as a company when more or less we should be concerned with the product.

It just amuses me .

companies make products. concern for the product might as well be concern for the company that makes it.

 

[de5_Roy]

I can never understand why this thread always ends up being advice for AMD as a company when more or less we should be concerned with the product.

It just amuses me .

a. slow news day.
b. steamroller(as rumored so far) atm seems pretty much a bust. amd could end up designing something else and call it steamroller.
c. Loooooooove <3 <3 <3 for amd due to strong(creepy) brand loyalty(intel b ebil!).

i am too lazy to make another post.
amd says they will fall back on x86 once their arm ventures fail... or something to that effect....
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20121130040403_AMD_Expects_x86_to_Remain_Important_Architecture_for_25_30_Years.html
Socket AM3 continues to Q2 2012+
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/29668-socket-am3-continues-to-q2-2012
AMD to show off Temash soon
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/29651-amd-to-show-off-temash-soon

 

[earl45]

Check this review out, AMD needs to make something worth buying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7wFKewAbgs&feature=g-all

 

[griptwister]

Check this review out, AMD needs to make something worth buying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7wFKewAbgs&feature=g-all

LOL! That guy's review sucked.

 

[earl45]

LOL! That guy's review sucked.

How about this one then?
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/1

 

[griptwister]

How about this one then?
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/1

Better constructed. Rating was a bit low, but it is expected. That guy in the previous video is a hardcore intel fanboy. I've seen some hard core trolling from his channel on everything AMD.

 

[esrever]

How about this one then?
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/1

software used:
"our very own media benchmark"

and having scores completely different than other sites. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

 

[fazers_on_stun]

companies make products. concern for the product might as well be concern for the company that makes it.

Yep, esp. if you are concerned about said company providing support or warranty for the product, or developing new drop-in upgrades for the product.. Not many enthusiasts willing to shell out for a dead-end product, which is something Intel might learn if Broadwell is indeed soldered to the mobo and not socketed.

 

[anubis44]

I agree. AMD has stated that they are no longer in the x86 performance race and I take that to mean that they can get more out of HSA than they would be able to from classic 'IPC' improvements going forward. If they can actually accomplish that on a reasonable timeline is the question.

I am very interested in how well the FirePro branded APUs will be received and I wonder if an Opteron branded APU is going to show up in the extended roadmap.

I would like to see SR do well enough to extend the viability of my AM3+ platform but if the release is not until 2014 that seems unlikely. Upgrading my 4100 to an 8320 for $170 was an easy decision, upgrading again may not be.

AMD said that about x86 performance in the fall of 2011, before they got Jim Keller back this past August. There's no way that guy, who is now head of AMD's CPU division, isn't going to crank up their x86 performance dramatically. He's the best CPU designer in the world. Literally.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

^ Point to consider
It appears there will be a change of direction, as theyve cleared the way for it, and hired Keller to make those changes, be glad this has happened actually

 

[-Fran-]

Remains to be seen. Actually, I'm more afraid of JP Morgan getting their dirty claws in AMD than anything else.

Cheers!

EDIT: Typo