AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[8350rocks]

Anyone else notice the HD 7990 is now retailing for around $700 +/-?

 

[blackkstar]

To be fair, I said from the beginning that GDDR5 wasn't going to be used. Aside from latency concerns, you have cost concerns. Using GDDR5 would force AMD to raise prices, putting them on par, platform wise, with Intel. And given Intels IPC edge, that would leave AMD non-competitive. So that part doesn't shock me in the least.

actually the GDDR5 was targeted to compete against Iris and probably would have slaughtered it gpu wise. the price point for iris is $468 and $657 and that gives AMD plenty of room. Was it canceled due to functionality, price, or the fact that at a higher price, OEM's would just opt for a Dgpu instead as seen with Iris pro?

only AMD knows the answer.

Charlie claims no one wants to touch Iris besides Apple.

It's unsurprising, really. We're in an age where you can get a decent laptop for $400 and a decent tablet for $300. You used to have to spend $1000+ to get a decent machine to do much on, but not anymore.

The cost of Iris or an AMD part that cost the same eats so much into the cost of the laptop that it's simply not worth it. For that price you can get a good dGPU that will blow it away.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Anyone else notice the HD 7990 is now retailing for around $700 +/-?

Eeyup, now with 13.8, better value than the 780 IMO. Then again, there are those 690s on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX690-Better-Performance-Price-than-Titan-or-GTX-780-/321178209995

 

[griptwister]

Anyone else notice the HD 7990 is now retailing for around $700 +/-?

Eeyup, now with 13.8, better value than the 780 IMO. Then again, there are those 690s on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX690-Better-Performance-Price-than-Titan-or-GTX-780-/321178209995

Did you see this? LOL!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-780-OC-3GB-GDDR5-2DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort-pci-e-Video-/190875993606?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2c71188606

 

[esrever]

If AMD does not make a 6 core with near the per-core performance level as SB i5 at a decent price. They can expect me to buy the competition. I could put a MSI Gamer Series Motherboard to use right about now. I'm in favor of the 1ms response times of the USB gamer ports.

Again, I'm not making a purchase till I see the numbers and the information presented directly from AMD. You all should do the same.

IF I'm forced to buy a quad core, it may as well be an i7, as I live down the freeway from Microcenter. But I highly doubt I'll have to resort to such dire needs. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for a AM4/FM2+ (or what ever it may be called) Gamer Series Motherboards. I mainly want 6+ SteamRoller cores. #MoarCores

I just can't see an i5 doing well once a game needs more cores.

why not just buy an fx8320 for like $140? I would expect per core performance will become a pretty pointless metric in the coming years with developers learning to use more cores and the drive to release software on multiple platforms. With phones having 4 cores now and likely will have true 8 cores by the end of 2014 and the fact that arm cores are extremely slow per core performance, I expect software to use less of from the size of the cores.

A phenom II x4 still runs all my software perfectly. I don't see any time I would need more single core performance really. Maybe if you are targeting 120fps, the cpu might be a bottleneck but 60fps is no problem for me.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Anyone else notice the HD 7990 is now retailing for around $700 +/-?

Eeyup, now with 13.8, better value than the 780 IMO. Then again, there are those 690s on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX690-Better-Performance-Price-than-Titan-or-GTX-780-/321178209995

Did you see this? LOL!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-780-OC-3GB-GDDR5-2DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort-pci-e-Video-/190875993606?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2c71188606

Dat cooler But that price I picked up a ASUS GTX 760 (Dat Shroud\ASUS love, don't come at me bro :3) along with a VH238H and a Corsair 500R this week and I must admit it is a very good card. I saw a 2K GTX 280 a while ago on ebay :3 Anyways, anyone looking forward to the 9970?

 

[jdwii]

If AMD does not make a 6 core with near the per-core performance level as SB i5 at a decent price. They can expect me to buy the competition. I could put a MSI Gamer Series Motherboard to use right about now. I'm in favor of the 1ms response times of the USB gamer ports.

Again, I'm not making a purchase till I see the numbers and the information presented directly from AMD. You all should do the same.

IF I'm forced to buy a quad core, it may as well be an i7, as I live down the freeway from Microcenter. But I highly doubt I'll have to resort to such dire needs. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for a AM4/FM2+ (or what ever it may be called) Gamer Series Motherboards. I mainly want 6+ SteamRoller cores. #MoarCores

I just can't see an i5 doing well once a game needs more cores.

why not just buy an fx8320 for like $140? I would expect per core performance will become a pretty pointless metric in the coming years with developers learning to use more cores and the drive to release software on multiple platforms. With phones having 4 cores now and likely will have true 8 cores by the end of 2014 and the fact that arm cores are extremely slow per core performance, I expect software to use less of from the size of the cores.

A phenom II x4 still runs all my software perfectly. I don't see any time I would need more single core performance really. Maybe if you are targeting 120fps, the cpu might be a bottleneck but 60fps is no problem for me.

Man for me my 1100T suits me well still it's more of my issue wanting something new.

 

[griptwister]

If AMD does not make a 6 core with near the per-core performance level as SB i5 at a decent price. They can expect me to buy the competition. I could put a MSI Gamer Series Motherboard to use right about now. I'm in favor of the 1ms response times of the USB gamer ports.

Again, I'm not making a purchase till I see the numbers and the information presented directly from AMD. You all should do the same.

IF I'm forced to buy a quad core, it may as well be an i7, as I live down the freeway from Microcenter. But I highly doubt I'll have to resort to such dire needs. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for a AM4/FM2+ (or what ever it may be called) Gamer Series Motherboards. I mainly want 6+ SteamRoller cores. #MoarCores

I just can't see an i5 doing well once a game needs more cores.

why not just buy an fx8320 for like $140? I would expect per core performance will become a pretty pointless metric in the coming years with developers learning to use more cores and the drive to release software on multiple platforms. With phones having 4 cores now and likely will have true 8 cores by the end of 2014 and the fact that arm cores are extremely slow per core performance, I expect software to use less of from the size of the cores.

A phenom II x4 still runs all my software perfectly. I don't see any time I would need more single core performance really. Maybe if you are targeting 120fps, the cpu might be a bottleneck but 60fps is no problem for me.

2 good reasons for me personally. I'm Actually gonna be scoring a deal soon on a 144hz monitor on the next month or so, and I've got a game I play that requires Single thread performance because of how bad of a port it is. People with Phenoms at 3.7 Ghz are struggling while my friends with the i5s seem to not have any issues. Also, there is this weird glitch in the game, to where if you OC your CPU past 4Ghz, You get this weird boost glitch, and I don't want to alter my gameplay. I don't know the science behind it, but it's what happens. lol

I'm also excited for this HD 9970, I want one, But I think I need a better CPU right now and my GPU is enough for current gen. I'll see what happens Q1 2015.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

If AMD does not make a 6 core with near the per-core performance level as SB i5 at a decent price. They can expect me to buy the competition. I could put a MSI Gamer Series Motherboard to use right about now. I'm in favor of the 1ms response times of the USB gamer ports.

Again, I'm not making a purchase till I see the numbers and the information presented directly from AMD. You all should do the same.

IF I'm forced to buy a quad core, it may as well be an i7, as I live down the freeway from Microcenter. But I highly doubt I'll have to resort to such dire needs. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for a AM4/FM2+ (or what ever it may be called) Gamer Series Motherboards. I mainly want 6+ SteamRoller cores. #MoarCores

I just can't see an i5 doing well once a game needs more cores.

why not just buy an fx8320 for like $140? I would expect per core performance will become a pretty pointless metric in the coming years with developers learning to use more cores and the drive to release software on multiple platforms. With phones having 4 cores now and likely will have true 8 cores by the end of 2014 and the fact that arm cores are extremely slow per core performance, I expect software to use less of from the size of the cores.

A phenom II x4 still runs all my software perfectly. I don't see any time I would need more single core performance really. Maybe if you are targeting 120fps, the cpu might be a bottleneck but 60fps is no problem for me.

2 good reasons for me personally. I'm Actually gonna be scoring a deal soon on a 144hz monitor on the next month or so, and I've got a game I play that requires Single thread performance because of how bad of a port it is. People with Phenoms at 3.7 Ghz are struggling while my friends with the i5s seem to not have any issues. Also, there is this weird glitch in the game, to where if you OC your CPU, You get this weird boost glitch, and I don't want to alter my gameplay. I don't know the science behind it, but it's what happens. lol

Odd, to the 3770K :3!11!! Anyways, it would be a good time to go for the FX8320 or 8350 with a Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 and OC it.

 

[griptwister]

Well, just found this...

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-confirms-kaveri-will-be-in-the-hands-of-enthusiasts-in-2014/50308.html

And yes Q6660 Inside, My friend has that in his Rig with a GTX 770 and it is a BEAST. I've seen the FX 8350 in action, it's a good CPU.

**edit** Someone posted this in the comments section. I lol'd

https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/578/6144/original.jpg

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Well, just found this...

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-confirms-kaveri-will-be-in-the-hands-of-enthusiasts-in-2014/50308.html

And yes Q6660 Inside, My friend has that in his Rig with a GTX 770 and it is a BEAST. I've seen the FX 8350 in action, it's a good CPU.

**edit** Someone posted this in the comments section. I lol'd

https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/578/6144/original.jpg

Nuff Said I really encourage Phenom II users to upgrade to the FX8320 or 8350 and that amazing Sabertooth 990FX R2\Gen3 motherboard.

 

[etayorius]

AM3+ is almost a Dead Socket, i have a AM3 motherboard and i can only place AM2+ and AM3 CPUs, Bulldozer and Piledriver are out of the question and i rather not buy a Motherboard with a Socket who is about to be discontinued, i was really hoping for Steamroller on AM3+ because it will be a worthy upgrade, at this rate i rather go a 6 Core Intel CPU, since i already have to buy a new Motherboard anyway.

 

[8350rocks]

AM3+ is almost a Dead Socket, i have a AM3 motherboard and i can only place AM2+ and AM3 CPUs, Bulldozer and Piledriver are out of the question and i rather not buy a Motherboard with a Socket who is about to be discontinued, i was really hoping for Steamroller on AM3+ because it will be a worthy upgrade, at this rate i rather go a 6 Core Intel CPU, since i already have to buy a new Motherboard anyway.

LOL...so that's why AMD said AM3+ is supported through 2015...and that we would see another upgrade for the socket right...?

 

[esrever]

AM3+ is almost a Dead Socket, i have a AM3 motherboard and i can only place AM2+ and AM3 CPUs, Bulldozer and Piledriver are out of the question and i rather not buy a Motherboard with a Socket who is about to be discontinued, i was really hoping for Steamroller on AM3+ because it will be a worthy upgrade, at this rate i rather go a 6 Core Intel CPU, since i already have to buy a new Motherboard anyway.

If you are in the price range of 6 core intels, you probably don't need to be looking at anything AMD. AM3+ is not dead. AMD hasn't said anything about it. It will be a while until steamroller tho.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

AM3+ is almost a Dead Socket, i have a AM3 motherboard and i can only place AM2+ and AM3 CPUs, Bulldozer and Piledriver are out of the question and i rather not buy a Motherboard with a Socket who is about to be discontinued, i was really hoping for Steamroller on AM3+ because it will be a worthy upgrade, at this rate i rather go a 6 Core Intel CPU, since i already have to buy a new Motherboard anyway.

LOL...so that's why AMD said AM3+ is supported through 2015...and that we would see another upgrade for the socket right...?

The wild species of hafijur emerges from his cave, ready to sell a 3970X to an unwary customer. Anyways, AM3+ does need some more press love :3

 

[-Fran-]

AM3+ is almost a Dead Socket, i have a AM3 motherboard and i can only place AM2+ and AM3 CPUs, Bulldozer and Piledriver are out of the question and i rather not buy a Motherboard with a Socket who is about to be discontinued, i was really hoping for Steamroller on AM3+ because it will be a worthy upgrade, at this rate i rather go a 6 Core Intel CPU, since i already have to buy a new Motherboard anyway.

Isn't Intel in the same boat there? I mean, both Intel and AMD are in the same boat regarding sockets... AMD has to set the record straight with AM3+, though.

Cheers!

 

[os2wiz]

AMD will not give any news about CPUs in the next 6 months, if they scrapped Steamroller they will need at least 1-2 more years to come with something new, so don´t expect AMD to release a powerful CPU in the next 6 months or less, even less news about it.

Also, we all know the 6 Core Steamroller was scrapped along with GDDR5, so AMD plan to stick with "FX9000" for the next 1-2 years... SAD NEWS, nothing more to see here except for Kaveri 4 Cores, which will be Good for those with a Dual Core, not even worth the jump from PhenomII x4 980 or x6 1100T.


I think this is overly-negative. In the first place we wait a lot of information coming in three months, with APU13 conference.

Kaveri CPU will be at the level of an i5 CPU. I think this is powerful enough for most people.

Wrong. Kaveri is a 4 core processor. With all its improvements it will be less powerful than a FX-8350. HSA is a great idea , but there will not be a whole load of HSA applications for another 2 years. Adobe will be an early adopter. I doubt Microsoft will be rushing an HSA office out the doors in the next 6 months. Many utilities and productivity software will take a while to adopt HSA.
Why do you expect AMD enthusiasts to jump from a powerful 8 core processor to an underpowered 4 core processor??? I will not move to FM2+ or FM3 until Excavator is ready and then it must be at least a 6 core excavator.


In addition the fellow who said AMD will give no news on cpus inn the next 6 months is so wrong. In Novemeber the new roadmap will be released. I believe that qualifies as news in less than 6 months. So he either needs education about AMD developer conferences or needs to retool his English.

 

[etayorius]

I always been on a budget, but i been saving for olmost a year for Steamroller, and since there are no plans for a FX Steamroller i want to spend on something good.

Can someone post this claim about AM3+ being supported up until 2015?

 

[8350rocks]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen

 

[os2wiz]

I always been on a budget, but i been saving for olmost a year for Steamroller, and since there are no plans for a FX Steamroller i want to spend on something good.

Can someone post this claim about AM3+ being supported up until 2015?

Take a deep breath and control your panic attack. The AMD APU 13 conference in November will publish the new road map for cpus. If you can't hold on for less than 3 months I don't know what to think about you.

 

[juanrga]

Well, just found this...

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-confirms-kaveri-will-be-in-the-hands-of-enthusiasts-in-2014/50308.html

And yes Q6660 Inside, My friend has that in his Rig with a GTX 770 and it is a BEAST. I've seen the FX 8350 in action, it's a good CPU.

**edit** Someone posted this in the comments section. I lol'd

https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/578/6144/original.jpg

AMD already discredited the rumour about kaveri delay and confirmed that Kaveri will be shipped in 2013 to OEMs and in 2014 to end-users.

 

[juanrga]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen

From the link:

it's believed that the current AMD AM3+ socket standard is good for at least one more CPU generation.

For me this fits with the new FX-9000 being the last.

 

[etayorius]

"while it's believed that the current AMD AM3+ socket standard is good for at least one more CPU generation."

You mean that quote? i don´t know, i does not seems like an official statement.

Oh and os2wiz, what panic attack? AMD there are no Roadmaps for AM3+ CPUs, no info about FX CPUs and the rumor seems very real, it is no panic attack it is just dealing with it... as of now the "rumor" seems more true than false, still a rumor though... until AMD confirms or Denies it, but i think if AMD had to deny it they would had done so already.

I preffer AMD over Intel, but i am no fanboy and i will get what is available from either AMD or Intel, and AMD does not seems to have nothing available for the moment except for the Piledriver which is not bad but also not such a innovative Arch, so that leaves me with Intel.

I am not into the whole IPC/Single Threading debate, i think True Multithreading, HSA and HUMA are the future... the Key word is "The Future", we live in the present saddly and it will take AMD at least 2 Years to take full advantage of those really cool stuff.

The truth about this matter is that there will not be a New AMD CPU for at least a Year, Considering there are plans for still supporting AM3+ or something new, that´s the truth... FX9000 is here to replace FX8350, like it or not.

 

[8350rocks]

"while it's believed that the current AMD AM3+ socket standard is good for at least one more CPU generation."

You mean that quote? i don´t know, i does not seems like an official statement.

Oh and os2wiz, what panic attack? AMD there are no Roadmaps for AM3+ CPUs, no info about FX CPUs and the rumor seems very real, it is no panic attack it is just dealing with it... as of now the "rumor" seems more true than false, still a rumor though... until AMD confirms or Denies it, but i think if AMD had to deny it they would had done so already.

I preffer AMD over Intel, but i am no fanboy and i will get what is available from either AMD or Intel, and AMD does not seems to have nothing available for the moment except for the Piledriver which is not bad but also not such a innovative Arch, so that leaves me with Intel.

I am not into the whole IPC/Single Threading debate, i think True Multithreading, HSA and HUMA are the future... the Key word is "The Future", we live in the present saddly and it will take AMD at least 2 Years to take full advantage of those really cool stuff.

The truth about this matter is that there will not be a New AMD CPU for at least a Year, Considering there are plans for still supporting AM3+ or something new, that´s the truth... FX9000 is here to replace FX8350, like it or not.

You have to realize...it's not replacing the FX-8XXX anything @ $300-700/ea.

Additionally...I expect to have some insider news on this soon...stay tuned.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

"while it's believed that the current AMD AM3+ socket standard is good for at least one more CPU generation."

You mean that quote? i don´t know, i does not seems like an official statement.

Oh and os2wiz, what panic attack? AMD there are no Roadmaps for AM3+ CPUs, no info about FX CPUs and the rumor seems very real, it is no panic attack it is just dealing with it... as of now the "rumor" seems more true than false, still a rumor though... until AMD confirms or Denies it, but i think if AMD had to deny it they would had done so already.

I preffer AMD over Intel, but i am no fanboy and i will get what is available from either AMD or Intel, and AMD does not seems to have nothing available for the moment except for the Piledriver which is not bad but also not such a innovative Arch, so that leaves me with Intel.

I am not into the whole IPC/Single Threading debate, i think True Multithreading, HSA and HUMA are the future... the Key word is "The Future", we live in the present saddly and it will take AMD at least 2 Years to take full advantage of those really cool stuff.

The truth about this matter is that there will not be a New AMD CPU for at least a Year, Considering there are plans for still supporting AM3+ or something new, that´s the truth... FX9000 is here to replace FX8350, like it or not.

Warsaw PD refresh says, HELLO!

In SR\Kaveri news: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/08/09/amd-kaveri-denial/1 This is odd, well the title...