AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[The Q6660 Inside]

Sandy bridge was nothing special, you having a laugh sandy bridge is the reason amd are so far behind, after the joke nehalem cpus sandy bridge on 32nm improved so much over the junk nehalem cpus amd were stunned and rushed to release bulldozer then piledriver but they knew then deep down they will struggle to get close to sandy bridge levels till steamroller comes out.

*Facepalm* You do realize that BD depends on properly-threaded apps, per-core performance wont matter in the near future. Nehalem wasn't a joke either, it was just a routine improvement, like Sandy. Sandy was nothing special, it gave you your usual 10-20% overall increase, at most a TIIINY bit more then Yorkfield->Bloomfield. BD is like the Phenom I, sure you can have a laugh about it when it comes out, but what will you use today, a Phenom X4 9950, or the Core 2 Duo E6850? In mid-2014 where there are plenty of next-gen console ports, would you rather game on a 8150 or a 2500K?

 

[blackkstar]

Sandy bridge was nothing special, you having a laugh sandy bridge is the reason amd are so far behind, after the joke nehalem cpus sandy bridge on 32nm improved so much over the junk nehalem cpus amd were stunned and rushed to release bulldozer then piledriver but they knew then deep down they will struggle to get close to sandy bridge levels till steamroller comes out.

Nehalem junk, lol. Nehalem was a bigger jump in performance than SB was, let alone Haswell to SB.

I personally am kind of laughing because AMD is slaughtering Intel in the low power market with Jaguar, yet you come here and argue that the most important place for power consumption is in a desktop rig that's going to be overclocked.

Hajifur are you done yet? Seriously I'm going to last a lot longer than you, unlike some of the other folks in this thread I smile when I see your posts, because I know I'm going to get to see some broken English with broken logic (most of the time not even having any logic, ergo "here's what I believe with no proof"), and some guy who doesn't know what he's talking about sounding very confident.

You should perhaps avoid the fight of "should we be laughing at Intel or AMD?" and instead take on the fight of "everyone is laughing at me."

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

Nehalem to sandy bridge meant you got 2x better performance per watt and avx instructions igpu and dissipate far less heat. Bloomfield ere like room heater sandy bridge was the complete opposite. If being 2x better performance per watt is nothing special no wonder why think sandy bridge was nothing special.

I had a qx6700 in early 2007 advent gx9200 machine bought off a big ebay reseller for like £400 worth £2000+ at the time. qx6700 better then any phenom 1st gen x4s ever released and the qx6700 was a 2006 cpu. Anyway what intel are doing is ridiculous, I remember 4 years ago thinking how fun it wold be to get so much more performance over my acer 5930g and with ivy bridge and kepler my new laptop takes 65w compared to old laptop taking 70w even with the difference with old screen and new screen taken in to consieration I am getting a cpu and gpu at least 2x more power on dx9 games and cpu performance wise.

Amd slaughtering intel with jaguar lol, these jaguar cores are so slow all reviewers are saying the cpu is to slow to be worth usong on anything intensive hence i3 ulvs are recommended. My i5 3317u entry level ulv takes about 14w on its sensors for fulll cpu load is faster then any amd laptop mobile cpu out. Intel atom 8 core will make jaguar look outdated quickly.

You got a QX6700, that says a lot The 3317u is a more Expensive processor then the 5750M and has worse integrated graphics, what the A10 was designed to do.... Must MU_Engineer rant about why Intel is trying to brutally underclock Haswell to replace Atom? For quite a bit less, the Phenom I X4 was actually quite a good deal, priced around the Core 2 Duos and gave the similarly priced Q8XX0 processors a run for their money when OCd, it is just like the BD 8120 and 8150. You do realize Jaguar is a low end part, and utterly destroys the PO$ that is Atom. You make me laugh at your stupidity. The same "ermehgawd massive improvement" response happens when you go from a K8 Turion to a Mobile A10.....

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

I got the advent gx9200 for £400 with x1950xtx in crossfire and qx6700 cpu back in 2007 when it was worth over £2000 for £400 off a ebay seller. My brother upgraded it to a q9300 with a new motherboard and sold the qx6700 for like £50 more then how much he paid for the q9300 in 2008. Jaguar doesn't destroy atoms at all they are there to compete against them in laptops intel need to release a new atom to compete against it. AMD have also released cpus in between the atom and intel ulv range for last 5 years. The jaguar cpus are to slow to play games even very low demanding games as the cpu is just to slow. So yes atom and jaguar are compareable.

I never said they were not comparable, they are in the same market... Why he would "upgrade" to a Q9300 is beyond me.

 

[hcl123]

griptwister if intel is being lazy what are amd lol laughing at amd customers paying for as good as 5 year old tech. Thank god for intel, there is at least innovation, sandy bridge was at an amazing level and intel ivy bridge and haswell have made it even better.

Look at this thread amd 6 cores 1090t to slow but his new 3770k makes light work of it.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/346951-28-battlefield-1090t-bottleneck/page-2

AMD fanboys think because amd have more cores they will run better in the future when reality is the more threaded it is the more the i7 will pull away.

Was the 1090T designed to compete with the 3770K, simple answer: no.................................. Not to mention he was using single-channel DDR3 and did not overclock whatsoever. Sandy Bridge was nothing special, if anything, it killed OCing for almost everything and the Celeron 300A schemes of the 21st century (ala X3340) while adding a 15% increase. When andandtech calls Haswell Desktop a joke, you're gonna have a bad time. Stop being @$$ hurt and run away to a "Bash AMD, Intel is god" thread. AMD's change to a brand-new architecture (BD) is far more innovative then a glorified P6 Pentium Pro, JSYK.

AMD will *ALWAYS* be later than Intel on schedules(for the foreseeable future), simply because they are smaller and have much less resources, and intel when wanting can put as much as 3x more engineers at some project and move things much faster...

To me personally it means less than a tiny rat ass hair... and it should for the very large majority of users to(pardon the arrogance), unless they prove they will be changing platforms and systems less than a year... *EVERY YEAR*... then this "inherent" intel advantage might have some meaning.

The Thuban was never to compete with the SNB upgrades, but its better than the Core2 and Nehalem.. and appeared, much later of course, when this last one intel was still being sold and was the mainstream.

So the differences in roadmaps is not that great... and all should resume to TCOs (total cost of ownership) IMHO... price/performance... because if you upgrade between 2 years or more you'll always be upgrading quite above, and any temporary advantage becomes meaningless(depends on the purpose of your system). So to me the price and upgradability of the platform you choose, is far more important than any temporary performance that you might enjoy at any time.... and this its obvious ( at least to me) either you choose Intel or AMD...

 

[mlscrow]

You know what really boggles my mind, and maybe more advanced experts can speak to this, but when AMD announced their server parts for 2014, one thing kind of caught my eye,

"Berlin" is an x86-based processor that will be available both as a CPU and APU."

If Berlin will be offered as just a CPU, what will they do with all of that extra die space with the iGPU gone? Could it be that they actually do intend on releasing a 4 module CPU? Would they really just leave only 2 modules and a bunch of empty space? It definitely is making me curious.

 

[Cazalan]

You know what really boggles my mind, and maybe more advanced experts can speak to this, but when AMD announced their server parts for 2014, one thing kind of caught my eye,

"Berlin" is an x86-based processor that will be available both as a CPU and APU."

If Berlin will be offered as just a CPU, what will they do with all of that extra die space with the iGPU gone? Could it be that they actually do intend on releasing a 4 module CPU? Would they really just leave only 2 modules and a bunch of empty space? It definitely is making me curious.

They would be some rather inexpensive server chips. Think FX-4550 or Opteron 3350 HE. They're used in Seamicro servers and other lower power server blades. They say it's the fastest growing segment in the server marketplace.

The CPU would likely be compatible with existing motherboards.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-Opteron%203350%20HE%20-%20OS3350HOW4KHK.html

 

[-Fran-]

You know what really boggles my mind, and maybe more advanced experts can speak to this, but when AMD announced their server parts for 2014, one thing kind of caught my eye,

"Berlin" is an x86-based processor that will be available both as a CPU and APU."

If Berlin will be offered as just a CPU, what will they do with all of that extra die space with the iGPU gone? Could it be that they actually do intend on releasing a 4 module CPU? Would they really just leave only 2 modules and a bunch of empty space? It definitely is making me curious.

Probably fill the same spot as the Athlon K's in FM1 and FM2. That is: defective units getting life in another (incomplete) form.

Cheers!

 

[Cazalan]

I almost walked out the store today with an A6-5200 (Kabini quad) system when I noticed one glaring flaw from the OEM (Lenovo). It only had a 10/100 MB Ethernet port included. Ugh! No gigabit no dice. It was cheap though $329.

 

[etayorius]

I am still trying to "see" the facts you supposedly gave me os2wiz, your assumptions and claims are as good as VR-Zone.com lately rumors... sorry but because you say so it does not make it a fact or an official AMD Statement.

Anyway, I thought i could spend my money on what ever i want, seems not... i also thought i could give my opinion on this thread considering my choices of future purchase but it seems not... If AMD had the product that fills my needs i would get it right away, they do not, not my fault nor such big deal after all.

It seems that some people just get offended by the simple fact that i can do what ever i want with my money and my time, i don´t like Intel as much as i like AMD but i am no Fanboy after all, and Intel does have what i need now.

I am not waiting for AMD any longer and i will jump to Intel platform, but seriously it is no big deal... the world will not end and i guess can have as many ants in my pants as i want to have.

My time, my money and my choice... it should not be such a big deal for you, you made it sound as if i was commiting the biggest mistake ever in the face of the world.

Two words: chill out.

When you share your thoughts in social media they are no longer yours alone. They are subject to argument and criticism. Do whatever you please, but your analysis of what is happening is hopelessly flawed and irrational. I am not demeaning you, but you refuse to look at facts and attach your reactions to mere hunches and innuendo. Not a good move.

So by rational what you mean is do what you say?

According to your thinking i should wait for whatever AMD has to offer... which is... nothing as of now? and going Intel is just such a sacrilege?

So you`re raging because i have a bunch of money worth a year savings for a Strong PC, i waited for Bulldozer to upgrade my 965BE for almost 2 year and turns out it was just Meh.. waited another yeah for Piledriver which was ok but nothing out of extraordinary... waited another year for a new Piledriver Refresh and we got an FX9000 which has a TDP of over 220W and a price over 800 Bucks? and now you`re telling me that i should for wait probably another year to see if AMD has something to offer? and thay if i spend my 1,500$ in Intel is just irrational and flawed? haha... hahaha... hahahahaha... HAHAHAHAHA...Yeah... well NO thanks.

Meanwhile, Intel Hit a road block and their excuse to charge you more money is power consumption. So, you feel the need to justify your purchases by coming and a AMD User thread and are spreading false information along with hafijur? It's funny watching you people say "Intel is holding back on AMD." Truth is, Intel is being lazy. I know that as a fact.

I have no F Clue what you´re talking about, and don´t compare me with the hafijur Intel fanboy.

I did not created the rumor and only posted the vr-zone link", it is there for anyone interested in anything related to Steamroller, which has "speculation" in the name of the thread.

Can you please post the comment i where i went back in my own statements? again, i like AMD but you will go as far as to rage if something bad is talked about AMD.

The rumor is there and fits PERFECTLY in this thread.

Don´t like? well sorry for you.

So apparently i have to kiss AMD ass in order for you fanboys to accept me in your Club, where the hell where you when i threw a rant to hafijur and his constant anti-AMD comments? how about when i also threw another rant in favor of AMD while the other guy who keept talking about his 3930k that does not own yet? did you noticed i defended AMD? no? well that speaks about your fanboyism.

I will talk wonders about AMD when they deserve it, and i will talk wonders about Intel when they deserve it.. which does not happens most of the time since they are mostly Greedy a-holes. but still when they do something good i will aplaude them.

I am not here to talk thrash about AMD, but they don´t have nothing to offer ME at this time... if you got butthurt by that and the Vr-zone link well your loss dude, again i did not Created the rumor and only posted it because i feelt (and i still do) that it is most likely True, that´s my personal take on this matter and if your butt aches well sorry dude, is your fault for worshipping a Corporation... yes they are a corporation they are not charity and they will probably give damn about you, but AMD fills a spot with good products at affordable prices.

Oh can you please post one of my comments where i claim Intel is holding AMD back? i think GlobalFoundries is holding AMD back, i think they are the #1 reason for all the crap AMD has been taking, not INTEL at all... go find such comment where i shit talk on AMD and also where i commented how the evil Intel is slowing AMD, But if you do not find one such comments or where i thrash AMD you gona have to eat your crap with some Piss sauce.

You are entitled to your opinion, just as everyone else... but the name of the thread is called "AMD Steamroller speculation... and expert conjecture", im no expert but i can surely speculate on the matter huh? perhaps you would rather have it called "Lets kiss AMD ass and bring forth the rage of the Gods to anyone who disagrees with us"

My opinion is that Steamroller FX is probably scrapped because of the lack of a Desktop CPU roadmap since Dec 2012, and VR-zone link pushes my belief... i did how ever thought it was good to share with you all... oh and can you please confirm that AMD has not abandoned Steamroller FX?

When you claim i SPREAD false rumors you mean that you got butthurt by vr-zone link right? i mean if you have a problem with the rumor you can just go post mean comments to VR-Zone site or something because they are the ones who created the rumor, not me... i just posted the link and asked if anyone else had seen it, and you can go back to my comments and check by yourself. Then a bunch of other people commented it was bummer that Steamroller FX was abandoned, then i went forth and decided i should just go Intel platform (because i am no fanboy like most of you) because i just waited too long since 2010 and still see nothing from AMD in the horizon for me worth upgrading to... and you got butthurt by that? whats wrong with you people?

Everything was fine with my comments until i said i should just jump to an Intel platform, then all you fanboys started having a diarrhea rage attack.

 

[etayorius]

System wrong quote, so i deleted this comment.

 

[Cazalan]

Its not really cheap, my acer m3-591tg cost £220 on ebay last december similar to that system and gpu was a 640m and my cpu takes less electricity and is about 40% faster if not more. Im gonna upgrade to a samsung np550p5c with gt650m i5 3210m 1tb for just £315 soon as I like my acer 5930g more then the acer m3 due to better speakers and keyboard and mouse. Now the np550p5c will replace both these machines and I will sell them as I wanted a subwoofer.

I still don't get why people pay retail price for stuff when you can get it half that soon after from people who don't want it.

Now you're using used/stolen/hand-me-down ebay prices vs retail prices, as a performance metric? That must have been about twice as much new, with an i5 in it. And there's just no way an i5 +discrete +chipset can use less power than the Kabini SoC.

I don't buy used computers. I like my toys virgin clean.

 

[juanrga]

"Almost certainly one based on the Steamroller architecture" does not support their headline "Amd Sticks with Socket AM3+ for Steamroller". What AMD said is wait one more chip for AM3+ and they have offered the Centurion chip:

FX-8000 ---> FX-9000

I don't understand your "abandoning servers". AMD already presented the server roadmap. They are not abandoning anything.

you missed 2 words. High End, IE AMD isn't making a 28nm high end server cpu according to VR-Zone.

As I stated before, fx-9000 isn't a true "new product" its still the same piledriver cpu (stepping and revision) and will barely be supported by any motherboards. Asus doesn't even support it officially. Not officially by MSI. Asrock has one ---
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/990FX%20Extreme9/?cat=CPU

Do you really think of FX 9000 as a serious release considering its price? Its targeted at a very small market of people who want to try and run 6.0 ghz and up. Heck, even Newegg can't just "sell" it, every option has the H80i + MB as a package deal.

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Thats the 9590 on newegg. Sorry, the 9590 is just a gimmick. Yes, AMD released it, Yes AMD is making money from it, good for them. If this actually is the end of AMD's cpus, then RR put the last nail in the coffin.

sorry, but I don't share your entheusaism for the VR-Zone article being accurate that AMD is done making High End cpus. Its not even official either, rumor based on some super-secret roadmap that they aren't even supposed to have.

Here is how reliable that VR-Z speculation is.

In late July VR-Zone obtained a series of documents given to OEMs by AMD behind closed doors (the document we obtained is heavily watermarked so we can’t post it publicly). This document says that engineering samples of Kaveri won’t be ready until August, production candidate samples will go out in October and initial production will begin in December. The target launch into channel is now mid-February 2014 meaning that consumers will be able to buy the chip until the spring.
August 5, 2013 3:56 pm

or

'AMD's ‘Kaveri’ high-performance APU remains on track and will start shipping to customers in Q4 2013,'
...
First public availability in the desktop component channel [for Kaveri will be] very early in Q1 2014,'

Published on 9th August 2013

so sometime in the spring of 2014 according to VR
or
if you want it for xmsas, you have to buy one from HP, Acer, ect. or wait till ~jan-feb to build your own.
according to AMD's denial of a delay

Sorry If I misunderstood you, but I cannot find the words "high end" in the paragraph that I was replying, neither I can find the words in the rest of your message.

In any case. AMD is not abandoning high end servers. They are releasing Warsaw chips with improvements over existent high end Opteron series. Yes, Warsaw are 32nm Piledriver cores, but they are coming only in 12/16 core. The previous 4/6/8 core high end conf. are eliminated. Why? I believe that it is because the new Berlin 4 core APUs have enough performance enough to allow AMD to eliminate those "high end" parts and retain only the top "high end" parts.

In short: 4 SR Berlin APU ~ 8 PD CPU

I assume that Warsaw chips will be replaced by APUs at the end of 2014 or maybe 2015. The question is if they will be replaced by a future 6 SR APU (recall the rumour about a 3M Kaveri) or if will be directly replaced by a 4 EV APU.

It is entirely possible that AMD is adapting its roadmap to GloFo process roadmap and that big 3 modules come latter and it is entirely possible that AMD is focusing in HUMA (which would imply few stronger CPU cores rather than more weak CPU cores). I don't have enough information at this point.

It does not matter what I think. AMD think that the Centurion chips are a new product. Otherwise they would not work so hard to marketing them, and use a new labelling "Series 9000", if AMD considered the chips only a minor update, then would name their top chip as "8370" or "8460" or something like that instead of "9560". Look at pattern:

Bulldozer --> 8100
Piledriver --> 8300
[strike]Steamroller --> 8500[/strike]
Centurion --> 9000

Using my own resources, I got the idea that FX-9000 is the last FX series and that AMD is not releasing 8-core SR FX, much before the VR-Zone article was written and mentioned. I posted the idea here several days ago.

Of course, I am open to change my mind, but I need something more than links to the Inquirer

 

[juanrga]

lol the 8 core jaguar in the ps4 performs similar to an i3 if not slower.

I hate to agree with this guy, but that sounds about right to me. Not to mention the PS4 will use 2 of it's cores for the OS at all times, and game developers can only use 4.5gb of ram, the gpu will also not use all of its cores in a game (at least this is most of the news I have heard). Right now it sounds like both console makers are making there consoles sound sooo good, but half of the hardware in the console is already cut down to support other task, so you won't get a full experience (or full potential of the console) when gaming. To me the console sounds like it will be even to a FX-6300, 7850, and 6gb of ram (only if you OC the 7850, which is a very simple thing to do with a card with such low heat output).

wow! 127 pages!... and a lot of commercials i suspect lol

I happen to cross at this one, not going back to read all, but there were a couple of posts that showed GCC4.8 almost 2x the performance of previous... I think Sony has an hand in this since they are using BSD and will be using GCC.

The point is Sony software will be "optimized", if "new GCC" with Jaguar is 2x(like rest of x86), then their Jaguar will have equivalent performance of Stemaroller using "windoze" lol.. that is, way above anything intel current, more so because software optimized for an AMD uarch(this case jaguar) wont run not nearly has efficient on intel uraches that have other characteristics.

I know it seems very hard to grasp the "concept"... but just consider is extremely faster and *cheaper* to tweak the software than the hardware( that is, more cores or more beefy cores etc), and cherry on top of cake, by changing for a more beefy hardware you get perhaps 10 20 maybe 30% better performance, but by tweaking the software you can get above "100%" lol

I'm quite convinced MSFT wil do the same, the software those guys will be using has little to do with the "common" PC world... they don't need the top of hardware, they will be getting higher performance with much weaker and much cheaper hardware... and yes what the top enthusiasts would be wanting is the top hardware with the most "optimized" software, then they will be unbeatable, but for the second part just forget it in current trends for the Windows PC world, is a fast shrinking market dominated by stagnating forces, single thread is the mantra, and fanboys kill each other over miserable ridiculous 20% differences... and just for context Sony will extract the double from some hardware that " a priori" would be half has powerful compared to top, so they don't lose nothing lol

Just imagine, those companies don't pay Principesc Salaries to those engineers to be stupid lol

In my original message I already mentioned Windows PC overhead when comparing the PS4 to a PC. But they ignored that when replied me. And in a posterior message I mentioned that the overhead is of about 2x, which apparently was also ignored LOL

This 2x overhead of PCs (with Windows) is overall, in some specific API calls the overhead can be up to 100x, because Sony is not using anything inefficient and bloated as DX.

Microsoft is not giving details about software in the XboxOne, but we know they are using a stripped down windows kernel plus a special DX version that allows direct low access to the console hardware (eliminating the overhead in Windows PCs).

Yes, but the real trick is that what applies to the CPU side also applies to the GPU side, those *SOFTWARE* abstraction layers will be much more efficient, just simply becasue they don't have legacy worries is one cause... so any GPU with 768 ot 1024 sp will perform much better (and you can put *much* on it) than comparing with what is current in 768 or 1024sp Windows PC world.

Yes, I also mentioned that in previous posts and said that a PC with Windows needs at least a GTX-680/780 to compete with PS4 in graphics performance. Precisely those are the cards that are being used to run demos of next consoles games.

 

[etayorius]

"Almost certainly one based on the Steamroller architecture" does not support their headline "Amd Sticks with Socket AM3+ for Steamroller". What AMD said is wait one more chip for AM3+ and they have offered the Centurion chip:

FX-8000 ---> FX-9000

I don't understand your "abandoning servers". AMD already presented the server roadmap. They are not abandoning anything.

you missed 2 words. High End, IE AMD isn't making a 28nm high end server cpu according to VR-Zone.

As I stated before, fx-9000 isn't a true "new product" its still the same piledriver cpu (stepping and revision) and will barely be supported by any motherboards. Asus doesn't even support it officially. Not officially by MSI. Asrock has one ---
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/990FX%20Extreme9/?cat=CPU

Do you really think of FX 9000 as a serious release considering its price? Its targeted at a very small market of people who want to try and run 6.0 ghz and up. Heck, even Newegg can't just "sell" it, every option has the H80i + MB as a package deal.

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Thats the 9590 on newegg. Sorry, the 9590 is just a gimmick. Yes, AMD released it, Yes AMD is making money from it, good for them. If this actually is the end of AMD's cpus, then RR put the last nail in the coffin.

sorry, but I don't share your entheusaism for the VR-Zone article being accurate that AMD is done making High End cpus. Its not even official either, rumor based on some super-secret roadmap that they aren't even supposed to have.

Here is how reliable that VR-Z speculation is.

In late July VR-Zone obtained a series of documents given to OEMs by AMD behind closed doors (the document we obtained is heavily watermarked so we can’t post it publicly). This document says that engineering samples of Kaveri won’t be ready until August, production candidate samples will go out in October and initial production will begin in December. The target launch into channel is now mid-February 2014 meaning that consumers will be able to buy the chip until the spring.
August 5, 2013 3:56 pm

or

'AMD's ‘Kaveri’ high-performance APU remains on track and will start shipping to customers in Q4 2013,'
...
First public availability in the desktop component channel [for Kaveri will be] very early in Q1 2014,'

Published on 9th August 2013

so sometime in the spring of 2014 according to VR
or
if you want it for xmsas, you have to buy one from HP, Acer, ect. or wait till ~jan-feb to build your own.
according to AMD's denial of a delay

Sorry If I misunderstood you, but I cannot find the words "high end" in the paragraph that I was replying, neither I can find the words in the rest of your message.

In any case. AMD is not abandoning high end servers. They are releasing Warsaw chips with improvements over existent high end Opteron series. Yes, Warsaw are 32nm Piledriver cores, but they are coming only in 12/16 core. The previous 4/6/8 core high end conf. are eliminated. Why? I believe that it is because the new Berlin 4 core APUs have enough performance enough to allow AMD to eliminate those "high end" parts and retain only the top "high end" parts.

In short: 4 SR Berlin APU ~ 8 PD CPU

I assume that Warsaw chips will be replaced by APUs at the end of 2014 or maybe 2015. The question is if they will be replaced by a future 6 SR APU (recall the rumour about a 3M Kaveri) or if will be directly replaced by a 4 EV APU.

It is entirely possible that AMD is adapting its roadmap to GloFo process roadmap and that big 3 modules come latter and it is entirely possible that AMD is focusing in HUMA (which would imply few stronger CPU cores rather than more weak CPU cores). I don't have enough information at this point.

It does not matter what I think. AMD think that the Centurion chips are a new product. Otherwise they would not work so hard to marketing them, and use a new labelling "Series 9000", if AMD considered the chips only a minor update, then would name their top chip as "8370" or "8460" or something like that instead of "9560". Look at pattern:

Bulldozer --> 8100
Piledriver --> 8300
[strike]Steamroller --> 8500[/strike]
Centurion --> 9000

Using my own resources, I got the idea that FX-9000 is the last FX series and that AMD is not releasing 8-core SR FX, much before the VR-Zone article was written and mentioned. I posted the idea here several days ago.

Of course, I am open to change my mind, but I need something more than links to the Inquirer

I feel bad for AMD having to deal with GlobalFoundries, they been leeching on them and if they continue to be way behind TSMC and Intel they will just hurt AMD even more... AMD been pushing their products by a year or two thanks to them.

And i do remember Juanrga making the assumption that FX may just be dropped soon a few pages back, it really makes sense that AMD abandons the FX since it has brought AMD such a bad reputation since Bulldozer, i seen people talk so much crap about the FX slow IPC and Single Threading power (specially Zambezi).

I think Vishera was a good step forward, but AMD are sticking way too long with that arch and in a world currently dominated by Single Threaded applications they may appear to some to be a little slow, again it is thanks to GloFo for the lack of AMD competition and constant products being pushed back.

I just got my younger brother an AMD Gaming PC with 8GB Ram, an FX-8120 and a HD7870 and he claims to be playing GTA4, SR3, SR2 and SimCity 2013 with no issues with fast FPS, he loves first ever Desktop PC since he made the jump from his Xbox360.

My current PC has a AMD PhenomII x4 965 OCed to 4.02Ghz with 6GB DDR3, i had a HD5770 but it became kinda slow a year or so with newer games and my older brother who does not understand a lot about PCs gave me his GTX470, so i been gaming on most new games on 1600x1200 pretty much on Very High Detail or High in the worst cases like Crysis3 at atleast a 30 minimum FPS, i was really really hoping for a Steamroller 8 Core CPU and like i said before i had been saving for almost a year for a new PC while i gave this one to my family.

I really don´t see much in the horizon from AMD at the moment for high end gaming, but the Kaveri APU seems quite nice, the boost i would get from the 965BE to the Kaveri would be of about 30-40% more performance, but the new age of games will depend less on IPC and while needing more Cores, so that is the only draw back i see going to AM3 to FM2+ platform, and AMD has been saying that Excavator will use a new socket, so that´s something else to think about when moving to FM2+, i wish they would just had keep their GDDR5 and 6 Core Kaveri APU plans or a confirmation of a Steamroller FX since that would had been such a massive performance boost from my current system.

This has been my first AMD system since my prior system has been Intel/nVidia combo, i really liked this current AMD system which has lasted a heck TON of time (since Dec 2009) with the Same Motherboard, CPU and Ram while my previous Intel/nVidia systems only lasted up to two years the most, this little guy 965BE is a total warrior fending off all games at the higest settings since 2009, i had to lower the resolution to keep up more FPS since i am not that picky when it comes to jagged edges, and i seriously think about supporting AMD in the future, but as of now they really don´t have much that serves my purposes and my needs.

 

[griptwister]

@etayorius: Yeah, I understand you're not a Intel fan boy. But Jumping to conclusions never helped anyone. I support your decision to go intel, nothing wrong with that. It's what you want, then buy it.

AMD might be canceling the FX line up, but they said nothing about canceling SteamRoller or any desktop CPUs. For all you guys know, they just canceled the "FX" name. That's all I've got from these rumors. I think we will see SteamRoller on AM3+. However, I don't think we will see a AM3+ we will be seeing a 8 core SteamRoller AM3+ chip if we do get SR AM3+.

What would be hilarious is if that 12 core Phenom pic was real, and AMD released that instead of SteamRoller xD

 

[8350rocks]

@etayorius: Yeah, I understand you're not a Intel fan boy. But Jumping to conclusions never helped anyone. I support your decision to go intel, nothing wrong with that. It's what you want, then buy it.

AMD might be canceling the FX line up, but they said nothing about canceling SteamRoller or any desktop CPUs. For all you guys know, they just canceled the "FX" name. That's all I've got from these rumors. I think we will see SteamRoller on AM3+. However, I don't think we will see a AM3+ we will be seeing a 8 core SteamRoller AM3+ chip if we do get SR AM3+.

What would be hilarious is if that 12 core Phenom pic was real, and AMD released that instead of SteamRoller xD

The SR FX equivalent could, just as easily, be named a Phenom III...

 

[mlscrow]

@etayorius: Yeah, I understand you're not a Intel fan boy. But Jumping to conclusions never helped anyone. I support your decision to go intel, nothing wrong with that. It's what you want, then buy it.

AMD might be canceling the FX line up, but they said nothing about canceling SteamRoller or any desktop CPUs. For all you guys know, they just canceled the "FX" name. That's all I've got from these rumors. I think we will see SteamRoller on AM3+. However, I don't think we will see a AM3+ we will be seeing a 8 core SteamRoller AM3+ chip if we do get SR AM3+.

What would be hilarious is if that 12 core Phenom pic was real, and AMD released that instead of SteamRoller xD

The SR FX equivalent could, just as easily, be named a Phenom III...

That would totally kick some @$$! I'd get it just for that reason alone.

 

[Cazalan]

What would be hilarious is if that 12 core Phenom pic was real, and AMD released that instead of SteamRoller xD

12 core Phenom's have been around for a while as Opterons. Aka Magny-Cours. Just at 2.5Ghz instead of the 6Ghz of the leak/rumor. With that many cores you need a quad-channel memory interface which is why they are only seen on sever motherboards.

Internally they probably did do some testing to see how the die shrink would perform at 32/28nm. For whatever reason they chose the Bulldozer path for production.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Opteron%206180%20SE%20-%20OS6180YETCEGO.html

 

[etayorius]

@etayorius: Yeah, I understand you're not a Intel fan boy. But Jumping to conclusions never helped anyone. I support your decision to go intel, nothing wrong with that. It's what you want, then buy it.

AMD might be canceling the FX line up, but they said nothing about canceling SteamRoller or any desktop CPUs. For all you guys know, they just canceled the "FX" name. That's all I've got from these rumors. I think we will see SteamRoller on AM3+. However, I don't think we will see a AM3+ we will be seeing a 8 core SteamRoller AM3+ chip if we do get SR AM3+.

What would be hilarious is if that 12 core Phenom pic was real, and AMD released that instead of SteamRoller xD

The SR FX equivalent could, just as easily, be named a Phenom III...

I would buy the PhenomIII in a haste if they ever do it, the Phenom brand is well loved among Budget PC Users and they know they are good performers, no CPU has lasted me for almost 4 years and still kicking strong anything i throw at it,

Regarding the 12 Core PhenomIV rumor with the CPU-Z screen that is surely a big fake, it would be possible at 20-22nm but not at current die Shrinks at the Speed and TDP the rumor claims.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

@etayorius: Yeah, I understand you're not a Intel fan boy. But Jumping to conclusions never helped anyone. I support your decision to go intel, nothing wrong with that. It's what you want, then buy it.

AMD might be canceling the FX line up, but they said nothing about canceling SteamRoller or any desktop CPUs. For all you guys know, they just canceled the "FX" name. That's all I've got from these rumors. I think we will see SteamRoller on AM3+. However, I don't think we will see a AM3+ we will be seeing a 8 core SteamRoller AM3+ chip if we do get SR AM3+.

What would be hilarious is if that 12 core Phenom pic was real, and AMD released that instead of SteamRoller xD

The SR FX equivalent could, just as easily, be named a Phenom III...

I would buy the PhenomIII in a haste if they ever do it, the Phenom brand is well loved among Budget PC Users and they know they are good performers, no CPU has lasted me for almost 4 years and still kicking strong anything i throw at it,

Regarding the 12 Core PhenomIV rumor with the CPU-Z screen that is surely a big fake, it would be possible at 20-22nm but not at current die Shrinks at the Speed and TDP the rumor claims.

I want the "Phenom" name back as well. DAT LOGO :3 Phenom IV rumor is dead dead 4 sure.

Update: Just had to do it :3

 

[sazyario]

I'm sorry... why are people fighting performance of Intel/AMD?
There are charts EVERYWHERE on this website and forum about exactly that...
Can we please drop it?

Has there been any real info about Steamroller? I'm hoping that Steamroller has CPU performance of Sandy Bridge with a TDP close to Sandy Bridge but with the phenomenal integrated graphics that AMD's APUs have.

 

[sazyario]

I'm sorry... why are people fighting performance of Intel/AMD?
There are charts EVERYWHERE on this website and forum about exactly that...
Can we please drop it?

Has there been any real info about Steamroller? I'm hoping that Steamroller has CPU performance of Sandy Bridge with a TDP close to Sandy Bridge but with the phenomenal integrated graphics that AMD's APUs have.

 

[blackkstar]

I'm sorry... why are people fighting performance of Intel/AMD?
There are charts EVERYWHERE on this website and forum about exactly that...
Can we please drop it?

Has there been any real info about Steamroller? I'm hoping that Steamroller has CPU performance of Sandy Bridge with a TDP close to Sandy Bridge but with the phenomenal integrated graphics that AMD's APUs have.

You would understand why people like hajifur exist in these threads if you simply googled "forum sliding"

People like him are not here to address hardware, they are here to distract and sow doubt, fear, anger, and encourage discussion about things unrelated to the original topic.

I was thinking at least hajifur was one of these folks (usually employeed or at least paid money for their effors) and the fact that he managed to completely ignore my musings on Jaguar to Intel price to performance numbers while continually repeating the same things he's said before (this sort of behavior is often used to cause emotional responses which escalate the deviation from the original topic) in an effort to make me angry about the whole thing.

Curiously I find it funny that Tom's moderation staff has allowed him to acquire so many posts while exibiting this sort of behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if Tom's saw some sort of benefit from allowing people like hajifur to run around and slide forums into disarray.

 

[griptwister]

I'm sorry... why are people fighting performance of Intel/AMD?
There are charts EVERYWHERE on this website and forum about exactly that...
Can we please drop it?

Has there been any real info about Steamroller? I'm hoping that Steamroller has CPU performance of Sandy Bridge with a TDP close to Sandy Bridge but with the phenomenal integrated graphics that AMD's APUs have.

You would understand why people like hajifur exist in these threads if you simply googled "forum sliding"

People like him are not here to address hardware, they are here to distract and sow doubt, fear, anger, and encourage discussion about things unrelated to the original topic.

I was thinking at least hajifur was one of these folks (usually employeed or at least paid money for their effors) and the fact that he managed to completely ignore my musings on Jaguar to Intel price to performance numbers while continually repeating the same things he's said before (this sort of behavior is often used to cause emotional responses which escalate the deviation from the original topic) in an effort to make me angry about the whole thing.

Curiously I find it funny that Tom's moderation staff has allowed him to acquire so many posts while exibiting this sort of behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if Tom's saw some sort of benefit from allowing people like hajifur to run around and slide forums into disarray.

+1 What makes it even more funny is seeing him post a video on here, and then when you click the video and read the comments section, you spot his BS that he says on here. Lol! I'm at the point to where I don't care anymore. You can't argue with a crazy person.

What makes me sad is all the guys here who tell people not to go z77 because it's a dead socket. But the only thing z87 has to offer is a Haswell refresh. We all know that Intel isn't giving us anything beyond Quadcores on their zXX series sockets. Until AMD poses a per-core threat. Which I'm ready for!

@The Q6660 Inside: Like my buddy Ron would say, "I'm lovin' it!"