AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture

[8350rocks]

Personally I like some of the things you say about AMD's upcoming products, but you have little to go with much of what you say, and you write as you are coming from a higher authority and have special information. Many know this is not true, you have access to the same information as everyone else and the vast majority of what you say regarding new products is just theory and it needs to be presented in that way. That is if you want people to just read what you write and move on with out coming back at you.

Unlike others, I differentiate between what AMD says officially, what AMD says behind closed doors, and my own predictions/guesses about future products.

My signature is an example of the first case, my talk about Zen before it was officially announced by Rory Read was an example of the second, and my guesses about AMD's K12 (IPC, frequencies, architecture, SMID wide...) are an example of the third kind.

Juan, did the term NDA ever occur to you?

 

[jdwii]

This is what happens with eight 'real' cores

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-x99-motherboard-goes-up-in-smoke-for-reasons-unknown_150008

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail&num=1

[end sarcasm]

That's pretty funny. Wonder why that's happening its not like these CPU's consume so much power compared to a 8150 even.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_5960x_5930k_and_5820k_processor_review,8.html

Just week boards compared to the 990FX

 

[gamerk316]

This is what happens with eight 'real' cores

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-x99-motherboard-goes-up-in-smoke-for-reasons-unknown_150008

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail&num=1

[end sarcasm]

Downside of moving the Voltage Regulator on to the CPU, perhaps?

 

[Cazalan]

This is what happens with eight 'real' cores

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-x99-motherboard-goes-up-in-smoke-for-reasons-unknown_150008

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail&num=1

[end sarcasm]

Literal flame bait material.

There is an Intel thread right here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1581001/intel-future-chips-news-rumours-reviews/page-10.html#14112832

 

[Cazalan]

Downside of moving the Voltage Regulator on to the CPU, perhaps?

Those were defective motherboards with what looked like solder bridges on the voltage regulator components. That happens with all new product. Particularly more often with initial runs when the component pick-n-place settings, bake time, and so forth are being finalized.

 

[juanrga]

i'm scratching my head, how can this guy don't get banned for trolling for 2 years? you don't need a business degree in order to differentiate target markets. "steamOS will win because linux is being used in supercomputers"

Ban him for what? i don`t see any reason for banning him.

You can either take or ignore what he says, i don`t see any trolling from him... but i do see a constant trolling and mocking against him, even requests to ban him for no reason.

He may be wrong or right, but he believes what he says. That is no trolling at all.

If you don`t like what he writes, "ignore" is the key word here.

The question here is not about whom is right or wrong. The question is that wh3resmycar pretend to ban another poster using phrases that only wh3resmycar said as his "steamOS will win because linux is being used in supercomputers". This is hilarious!

 

[juanrga]

AMD continues the transformation into a SoC company

Today's announcement aligns with AMD's continuing IP development strategy to focus our internal teams on designing the innovative 64-bit processor, graphics and peripheral IP that forms the foundation for our competitive differentiation, while leveraging Synopsys, the industry leader for cost-effective development of complementary standard IP components, for our future SoCs

http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/amd-and-synopsys-expand-ip-partnership-nyse-amd-1948882.htm

The main reason why AMD is replacing x86 by ARM is efficiency. Jaguar or Puma+ based Opteron on 28nm planar couldn't compete against Intel Avoton on 22nm FF neither against the new Xeon D on 14nm FF. However, thanks to the efficiency of ARM ISA AMD's Seattle on 28nm planar is competitive.

However there is a second reason: licensing. The x86 licensing is so restrictive that AMD cannot do custom x86 cores for the clients of the semicustom division. If you check consoles all the customization was made outside of the CPU, e.g. the GPU of the PS4 is highly custom, but the CPU relies on standard jaguar stuff. With ARM, AMD could offer customization in the CPU as well.

In fact, the guys at SeekingAlpha consider that customization is main reason why AMD's Seattle will be competitive

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2505025-amds-seattle-chip-its-advantages-against-intel-xeon-d

 

[jdwii]

Watch dogs Seems to really be stressing 6 fx cores heavily but my other 2 are at a low limit so i tested 0,1,2,3,4,5 and i saw performance drop a little but when i tested the cores as 0,2,4,6,1,3 performance remained the same as if i was enabling all my cores.
http://postimg.org/image/62ck7e429/
That is using slow on windows task messenger(4 min) and its with Offline play

 

[jdwii]

i'm scratching my head, how can this guy don't get banned for trolling for 2 years? you don't need a business degree in order to differentiate target markets. "steamOS will win because linux is being used in supercomputers"

Ban him for what? i don`t see any reason for banning him.

You can either take or ignore what he says, i don`t see any trolling from him... but i do see a constant trolling and mocking against him, even requests to ban him for no reason.

He may be wrong or right, but he believes what he says. That is no trolling at all.

If you don`t like what he writes, "ignore" is the key word here.

The ridiculous phrase, "steamOS will win because linux is being used in supercomputers", has been invented by wh3resmycar. Thus he pretend to ban another person for thoughts that are only in his mind. This is hilarious!

The discussion was purely about Steam OS and then you jumped in and said irrelevant information on linux. Such as this "DX12 will only work on Windows platform, which is currently a minority OS. OGL-Next will be needed for gaming in majority platforms."
When stating majority of platforms you continue on saying that linux owns the majority of platforms which is true but irreverent once again since AAA games are not made for smartphones-tablets so its not worth mentioning and then consoles are by far off the wall and Microsoft does use directx on the xbox one.
PS4-Wii U-PC is the only thing big-mid size developers care about and even less so the Wii U when it comes to OpenGl, for the PC we already have Directx which works and 12 will be around.(edit so really only the PS4 matters for Opengl)
So for the majority of this site they care about future Amd products and how that improves their experience in server-desktop/laptop environments and for gaming purely laptop/desktop.

 

[h2323]

Personally I like some of the things you say about AMD's upcoming products, but you have little to go with much of what you say, and you write as you are coming from a higher authority and have special information. Many know this is not true, you have access to the same information as everyone else and the vast majority of what you say regarding new products is just theory and it needs to be presented in that way. That is if you want people to just read what you write and move on with out coming back at you.

Unlike others, I differentiate between what AMD says officially, what AMD says behind closed doors, and my own predictions/guesses about future products.

My signature is an example of the first case, my talk about Zen before it was officially announced by Rory Read was an example of the second, and my guesses about AMD's K12 (IPC, frequencies, architecture, SMID wide...) are an example of the third kind.

The information you read on semi accurate and bits and chips is not yours. We all have access to this info as well.Rumours that are proven true do not become your "predictions". I can see its an ego thing for you but its time to start being a little more transparent. This source information you claim as yours is not hard to find.

 

[wh3resmycar]

Spoiler

i'm scratching my head, how can this guy don't get banned for trolling for 2 years? you don't need a business degree in order to differentiate target markets. "steamOS will win because linux is being used in supercomputers"

Ban him for what? i don`t see any reason for banning him.

You can either take or ignore what he says, i don`t see any trolling from him... but i do see a constant trolling and mocking against him, even requests to ban him for no reason.

He may be wrong or right, but he believes what he says. That is no trolling at all.

If you don`t like what he writes, "ignore" is the key word here.

The ridiculous phrase, "steamOS will win because linux is being used in supercomputers", has been invented by wh3resmycar. Thus he pretend to ban another person for thoughts that are only in his mind. This is hilarious!

yeah, semantics like what i've said, a cognitive skill you have to learn since you're pretending to be an academic. you've been stating linux as the majority player here didn't you? now what does that mean?. clearly you're not saying windows and linux will kumbayah holding hands moving forward right?

i mean if you can't understand what you're reading (and what you're posting) you might as well quit this pseudo-journalism internet career you've been pretending to live the past 2 years. you could've just said "yes" when ask i asked if you were joking.

explain to me again how the 42% of the linux install base has any bearing with the next-gen pc-gaming market? after all, you're "always serious except when some people at forums make you laugh".

 

[wh3resmycar]

Spoiler

i'm scratching my head, how can this guy don't get banned for trolling for 2 years? you don't need a business degree in order to differentiate target markets. "steamOS will win because linux is being used in supercomputers"

Ban him for what? i don`t see any reason for banning him.

You can either take or ignore what he says, i don`t see any trolling from him... but i do see a constant trolling and mocking against him, even requests to ban him for no reason.

He may be wrong or right, but he believes what he says. That is no trolling at all.

If you don`t like what he writes, "ignore" is the key word here.

The ridiculous phrase, "steamOS will win because linux is being used in supercomputers", has been invented by wh3resmycar. Thus he pretend to ban another person for thoughts that are only in his mind. This is hilarious!

The discussion was purely about Steam OS and then you jumped in and said irrelevant information on linux. Such as this "DX12 will only work on Windows platform, which is currently a minority OS. OGL-Next will be needed for gaming in majority platforms."
When stating majority of platforms you continue on saying that linux owns the majority of platforms which is true but irreverent once again since AAA games are not made for smartphones-tablets so its not worth mentioning and then consoles are by far off the wall and Microsoft does use directx on the xbox one.
PS4-Wii U-PC is the only thing big-mid size developers care about and even less so the Wii U when it comes to OpenGl, for the PC we already have Directx which works and 12 will be around.(edit so really only the PS4 matters for Opengl)
So for the majority of this site they care about future Amd products and how that improves their experience in server-desktop/laptop environments and for gaming purely laptop/desktop.

he's not gonna respond to it, he's been exposed. that's why i'm calling to get this juanrga dude banned. this is evidence that this dude, since he's incapable of proper reading comprehension, have been inventing stuff up and then preach it as fact for 2 years now.

 

[juanrga]

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/352312-28-steamroller-speculation-expert-conjecture/page-318#14201955

My above post contains new info about AMD tech, but you are avoiding it because you are not interested in what AMD does neither on what Papermaster has to say.

Hey guys why don't you create a thread titled "Fight juanrga" and post all your hate, idiocies, and lies there? This thread is about AMD.

 

[wh3resmycar]

Spoiler

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/352312-28-steamroller-speculation-expert-conjecture/page-318#14201955

My above post contains new info about AMD tech, but you are avoiding it because you are not interested in what AMD does neither on what Papermaster has to say.

Hey guys why not create a thread titled "Fight juanrga" and post all your hate, idiocies, and lies there? This thread is about AMD.

yet you're the one who blurted out linux.

diversion... come back when you can properly comprehend what you read.

 

[jdwii]

So for the majority of this site they care about future Amd products and how that improves their experience in server-desktop/laptop environments and for gaming purely laptop/desktop.
Repeat since another user does it all the time

 

[juanrga]

Personally I like some of the things you say about AMD's upcoming products, but you have little to go with much of what you say, and you write as you are coming from a higher authority and have special information. Many know this is not true, you have access to the same information as everyone else and the vast majority of what you say regarding new products is just theory and it needs to be presented in that way. That is if you want people to just read what you write and move on with out coming back at you.

Unlike others, I differentiate between what AMD says officially, what AMD says behind closed doors, and my own predictions/guesses about future products.

My signature is an example of the first case, my talk about Zen before it was officially announced by Rory Read was an example of the second, and my guesses about AMD's K12 (IPC, frequencies, architecture, SMID wide...) are an example of the third kind.

The information you read on semi accurate and bits and chips is not yours. We all have access to this info as well.Rumours that are proven true do not become your "predictions". I can see its an ego thing for you but its time to start being a little more transparent. This source information you claim as yours is not hard to find.

My "predictions" about A10 were only from mine. This is why they were published in BSN with proper attribution. If you find them in SA or phoronix or here, it is because I post them.

My predictions about Mantle are again exclusive from mine. I am the guy who predicted the 30--50% gain for BF4 before the 40% was revealed.

My guesses about forthcoming AMD's K12 are again exclusively from mine. If you find it in SA or here, it is because I post them.

My predictions about Devylscanyon are again exclusively from mine and my demonstration that the OC figures given by Intel were a lie is again from mine. If you find the same material in bits and chips is because I give the info to them. and consequently they cited me as source in the article.

 

[Cazalan]

However there is a second reason: licensing. The x86 licensing is so restrictive that AMD cannot do custom x86 cores for the clients of the semicustom division. If you check consoles all the customization was made outside of the CPU, e.g. the GPU of the PS4 is highly custom, but the CPU relies on standard jaguar stuff. With ARM, AMD could offer customization in the CPU as well.

EVERY x86 core AMD puts out is a custom x86 core. They've never had a cookie cutter core from Intel like they did for Seattle and the ARM A57 core.

 

[h2323]

Please stop Juan. Just post news and do what you do but the self promotion is a little out of line. This is an AMD architecture forum not a Juan forum. You are not affiliated with AMD nor an insider, just write accordingly and you will have less Juan attacking.

 

[juanrga]

However there is a second reason: licensing. The x86 licensing is so restrictive that AMD cannot do custom x86 cores for the clients of the semicustom division. If you check consoles all the customization was made outside of the CPU, e.g. the GPU of the PS4 is highly custom, but the CPU relies on standard jaguar stuff. With ARM, AMD could offer customization in the CPU as well.

EVERY x86 core AMD puts out is a custom x86 core. They've never had a cookie cutter core from Intel like they did for Seattle and the ARM A57 core.

So far as I know the AMD-Intel settlement prohibits AMD to license x86 to a third party and develop a custom x86 core in collaboration with the client. The agreement obligates to AMD to use x86 raw cores that they already use in their products and then sell those cores to the client. This is why the PS4 uses the same standard jaguar cores that you can find in other AMD products but the GPU is a highly custom Radeon that was developed by both Sony and AMD and that you cannot purchase in the PC stores.

This issue is discussed in several places, e.g. here This seems the resume of how x86 licensing affects consoles:

x86 "cores" - sold
graphics - licensed

but here you can find a dissenting opinion that says that x86 cores could be licensed to customers under certain restrictions.

Since I am uncomfortable discussing legal stuff I will leave it here.

 

[juanrga]

Please stop Juan. Just post news and do what you do but the self promotion is a little out of line. This is an AMD architecture forum not a Juan forum. You are not affiliated with AMD nor an insider, just write accordingly and you will have less Juan attacking.

I will continue posting what AMD says officially, what AMD says behind closed doors, and my own guesses/predictions about forthcoming products.

Defending myself from accusations is not self-promotion. You are who started by posting plain wrong and unfair comments about my predictions.

I am not affiliated to AMD, but you are crazy if you believe this means that I cannot access to some internal info. In fact, one of my sources promised me more info about K12/Zen soon. When I have more info I will provide it here despite you like me doing it or not.

I don't know who you believe you are to say me what I only have to post news about AMD. The title of this thread is "AMD CPU speculation... and expert conjecture". If you only want read news go to the top of the page and click on "Articles & News"...

 

[wh3resmycar]

gtx980/970 review is out curious to see how the next gen amd cards go head to head with these 2 baddies. i wouldn't mind replacing my current 280x to a 970 just to get rid of the extra heat these cards are generating right now and consumes almost 100w less.

 

[juanrga]

I don't know what is more funy: that someone pretends that a discussion about gaming was in reality a discussion about "AAA gaming" (despite nobody wrote AAA) or his silly pretension that "AAA games are not made for smartphones-tablets"

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-08-21-racing-ahead-the-rise-of-triple-a-mobile-games

http://schedule.gdconf.com/session-id/826911

 

[wh3resmycar]

I don't know what is more funy: that someone pretends that a discussion about gaming was in reality a discussion about "AAA gaming" (despite I never wrote AAA) or his silly pretension that "AAA games are not made for smartphones-tablets"

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-08-21-racing-ahead-the-rise-of-triple-a-mobile-games

http://schedule.gdconf.com/session-id/826911

This is another instance where the people in this thread who attacks me shows (i) inability to read my posts and (ii) their distorted and biased vision of the industry

step 1: google "AAA mobile games"
step 2: redact all other search results, just focus on what conforms to his opinion (why not reference the 2nd link where hideo kojima clearly differentiate the difference?) a AAA next gen title != AAA mobile game, which again he fails to comprehend.
step 3: post it as cold hard facts.
step 4: tells to himself " i'm an expert indeed "
smh....

 

[jdwii]

gtx980/970 review is out curious to see how the next gen amd cards go head to head with these 2 baddies. i wouldn't mind replacing my current 280x to a 970 just to get rid of the extra heat these cards are generating right now and consumes almost 100w less.

I know the 970 is the same price as my card, that is how tech works though and why i say upgrading isn't BS but amazing. Uses very little power man i hope Amd gets a new GCN design SOON. Its just to power hungry compared to this.

 

[jdwii]

I don't know what is more funy: that someone pretends that a discussion about gaming was in reality a discussion about "AAA gaming" (despite nobody wrote AAA) or his silly pretension that "AAA games are not made for smartphones-tablets"

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-08-21-racing-ahead-the-rise-of-triple-a-mobile-games

http://schedule.gdconf.com/session-id/826911

Juan the truth is no one here cares about smartphones or tablets for hardcore gaming. Its a mom thing anyways or casual user. So again for the majority of this site they care about future Amd products and how that improves their experience in server-desktop/laptop environments and for gaming purely laptop/desktop.
To be honest i doubt Amd cares about Arm gaming either Amd is using it for servers.