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The job cut is likely to weigh particularly heavily on marketing staff. Intel studies comparing its own staffing levels to competitors' concluded that the ratio of marketing personnel to salespeople was too large, the sources said.
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AND,

The revamp at Intel has already spurred the sale of some business lines -- especially in the communications chip area -- that were less profitable for Intel. It recently sold some communications assets to Texas-based Eicon, and in June sold its mobile processor business to California-based Marvell Technology Group for $600 million.

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Intel's flash business may see targeted cuts aimed at trying to bring it into profitability, according to Merrill Lynch (NYSE: MER) Latest News about Merrill Lynch analyst Joe Osha. More speculative research projects -- what he termed "poorly focused science projects" -- may also be shelved, though it's unlikely Intel will cut deeply in research and development overall.

"Intel has very limited ability to cut either product development or marketing costs without imperiling the business recovery the company hopes to achieve," Osha said in a research note.

Intel has already fired some 1,000 management workers and shifted around some top executives.
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Sup haven't seen you in a while.
In response to your post though, when most of your market is made up of enthusiasts, especially enthusiasts that see Dell as the Devil incarnate, it isn't a good idea to go pissing them off by getting into bed with Dell.
That being said, I agree, you have to lose one market in order to start gaining in another, all though Intel has the advantage of name recognition, now in both markets.
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people here have often said that enthusiasts are a very small part of the market and if AMD sells 3 PCs for every enthusiast DIY, then even if all the enthusiasts change over they will still sell TWO EXTRA PCs.

Enthusiasts should also realize that AMD is in this to make money not friends, though they are not purposely saying screw you, they have to get more volume to offset the lower prices.

AMD is just trying to keep up with Intel. If it can't beat it performance wise, maybe by getting acquainted with large OEMs, it can get a more stable income in order to shove the money back into its research sector. AMD, business-wise, is a little more stable than Intel at the moment, however, AMD really has to think about getting their range of products updated as quickly as possible in order to gain some ground against C2D. K8, despite it being a great architecture, is showing its age now, and AMD cannot keep flogging a dying donkey. Overall, its make or break for AMD, and they have a LOT to lose if they mess up.
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Like I always say AMD is the darling of the tech sector right now because of Opteron and they should have 3 years of underperforming before they are "written off." Intel has been and is still producing the worst crap (NetBust) ever and no one said they should be punished for being behind.

AMD has the same deal. if they don't you are biased towards Intel. Especially since X2 is not crap. It may only provide 70fps @ 1600 while Core 2 provides 80fps, but who can see more than 60fps?

Core 2 is more of a problem for Intel than AMD because they now have MILLIONS of WORTHLESS NETBUST chips.

Good to see you are still steadfast set on spreading the demise of Intel (FUD) and songs of praise and worship to AMD! :lol: :lol:
La La La La Laaa :wink:
 
Wow, I got quite the responce, didn't expect that. And only one argument against that's rather frivilous.

Sorry ches111, but the stock market is valid to mention in any company that's publicly traded as long as you understand what it is and how it works. I understand that techies don't like to mention the stock market because it's all based on speculation, but facts are intel was losing market share and was reporting poor fiscal quarter earnings. http://news.com.com/Intel+expected+to+cut+thousands+of+jobs/2100-1014_3-6111478.html These tend to make stock holders nervous, they sell, stock goes down, intel loses investing to continue research. Why do I think this? Now before people go screaming where's the facts, I'll state this bluntly, I only have too, I won't post links because I don't think people will argue them. Fact 1, intel released a processor that wiped the floor with anything AMD had. Fact 2, intel could have sold said processor at a much higher price, but suprised consumers with how cheap they sold it. Now, the fact that intel sold it for a lot less then consumers would have paid is a sign that not all is as it seems. Basic economics states, where the supply curve and the demand curve cross, there's the price you charge. They could charge more, but they aren't, why? Well, when you look at things from a buisness sense, it's fully possible that they wanted to regain market share, that way when they announce their next quarterly earnings, good news, maybe stock prices will rise. This is only my speculation and only one of the reasons why they did this, but I stand by my opinion.

Next, @Ninja, I apologize, I didn't mean to come across as condecending, I've just been in enough forums and tire of 12 year olds who throw a lot of insults, not a lot of substance. As for talking a mean game and not having fact to back it up, well, that was obvioius, this was speculation that AMD would be in a good move to pick up intel engineers, of course there was no fact to back it up, it was speculation. The fanboi comments, I can't withdrawl. Though I will agree with you that BaronMatrix is rather absurd at times, intel has just as many absurd posts.

And lastly, the layoffs, I'll admit it, my face is red. I'd only read about it in passing, and having been involved in mass layoffs, having read one article about AMD being in a good move to pick up intel engineers, I didn't read on about it being that I'm not suprised in the slightest when big buisness lays off it's most vital employees. Though saying the core 2 people wouldn't be affected, in a layoff of that size, if it had been targeted at engineers, would have been impossible not to affect the core 2 people, but since it's aimed at marketing, I can believe it wouldn't affect core 2 engineers too much. Also, I know core 2 was developed by an Israli team, but it still had to be adapted for production, and they haven't said anything about where the engineers who did that adaption lived.
 
I understand that techies don't like to mention the stock market because it's all based on speculation, but facts are intel was losing market share and was reporting poor fiscal quarter earnings. http://news.com.com/Intel+expected+to+cut+thousands+of+jobs/2100-1014_3-6111478.html These tend to make stock holders nervous, they sell, stock goes down, intel loses investing to continue research. Why do I think this? Now before people go screaming where's the facts, I'll state this bluntly, I only have too, I won't post links because I don't think people will argue them. Fact 1, intel released a processor that wiped the floor with anything AMD had. Fact 2, intel could have sold said processor at a much higher price, but suprised consumers with how cheap they sold it. Now, the fact that intel sold it for a lot less then consumers would have paid is a sign that not all is as it seems. Basic economics states, where the supply curve and the demand curve cross, there's the price you charge. They could charge more, but they aren't, why? Well, when you look at things from a buisness sense, it's fully possible that they wanted to regain market share, that way when they announce their next quarterly earnings, good news, maybe stock prices will rise. This is only my speculation and only one of the reasons why they did this, but I stand by my opinion.
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If Intel wants to sell a processor for less than people want to pay, then that's their right. Why is that so bad? If it makes you sad, then I'll happily take the extra money you want to give away. 😛
It still makes the C2D cheaper, as the article stated. Its to increase the pressure on AMD because they'll be more strapped for cash. Call it adding insult to injury, perhaps? Intel is definitely leveraging its manufacturing capabilities here.
Furthermore, I agree with you that Intel wants market share back. However, not sure if its because of investors/share price or if its just Intel's way of getting back into the game. Probably both.

I won't post links because I don't think people will argue them.
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That's no reason not to post links. If they don't argue them, then they don't argue them. Its just more credible if you post sources and we'll take you more seriously because it shows that you're willing to back your opinions up.

The fanboi comments, I can't withdrawl. Though I will agree with you that BaronMatrix is rather absurd at times, intel has just as many absurd posts.
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We've got both, so don't say the forum is this or that biased. It may be a little out of balance since some rabid AMD posters were banned recently. Stick around and you'll be able to weed out the annoying posters and concentrate on the threads that are really interesting.

Good post, keep it up.
 
Cy,

Please think through what you just posted... Maybe read it through once or twice..

So you think that Intel laid off its Core 2 Duo team?

MMMMMMhhhhhhhhmmmmm :roll: :roll: :roll:

Good thinking.... Go back and read the layoff announcements and find out which divisions are being handed a pink slip...

Also, Cy with your BMesque logic please stay away from the stock market.. This is for your own good... Just trying to help...
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I thought I told you Intel w h o r e s to not bring up my name? It seems like your infatuated.
 
I dont want this thread to degenerate to common insults twice in one day. That would be a insult to the OP.
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I appreciate that Ninja, but don't worry about me. Nothing pleases me more than seeing you humiliate these zealots. 😉
 
Aright then...
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Flame on!! Who wants some?
 
I thought I told you Intel w h o r e s to not bring up my name? It seems like your infatuated.
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I never correct grammar errors but since you do it all the time, my dear BM, I'll be happy to do it this one time, just for you. It should be "you're" or "you are" and not "your." Oh, and I just love baiting you. It's one of the simpler pleasures in life. 😉
 
Wow, I got quite the responce, didn't expect that. And only one argument against that's rather frivilous.

Sorry ches111, but the stock market is valid to mention in any company that's publicly traded as long as you understand what it is and how it works. I understand that techies don't like to mention the stock market because it's all based on speculation, but facts are intel was losing market share and was reporting poor fiscal quarter earnings. http://news.com.com/Intel+expected+to+cut+thousands+of+jobs/2100-1014_3-6111478.html These tend to make stock holders nervous, they sell, stock goes down, intel loses investing to continue research. Why do I think this? Now before people go screaming where's the facts, I'll state this bluntly, I only have too, I won't post links because I don't think people will argue them. Fact 1, intel released a processor that wiped the floor with anything AMD had. Fact 2, intel could have sold said processor at a much higher price, but suprised consumers with how cheap they sold it. Now, the fact that intel sold it for a lot less then consumers would have paid is a sign that not all is as it seems. Basic economics states, where the supply curve and the demand curve cross, there's the price you charge. They could charge more, but they aren't, why? Well, when you look at things from a buisness sense, it's fully possible that they wanted to regain market share, that way when they announce their next quarterly earnings, good news, maybe stock prices will rise. This is only my speculation and only one of the reasons why they did this, but I stand by my opinion.

Next, @Ninja, I apologize, I didn't mean to come across as condecending, I've just been in enough forums and tire of 12 year olds who throw a lot of insults, not a lot of substance. As for talking a mean game and not having fact to back it up, well, that was obvioius, this was speculation that AMD would be in a good move to pick up intel engineers, of course there was no fact to back it up, it was speculation. The fanboi comments, I can't withdrawl. Though I will agree with you that BaronMatrix is rather absurd at times, intel has just as many absurd posts.

And lastly, the layoffs, I'll admit it, my face is red. I'd only read about it in passing, and having been involved in mass layoffs, having read one article about AMD being in a good move to pick up intel engineers, I didn't read on about it being that I'm not suprised in the slightest when big buisness lays off it's most vital employees. Though saying the core 2 people wouldn't be affected, in a layoff of that size, if it had been targeted at engineers, would have been impossible not to affect the core 2 people, but since it's aimed at marketing, I can believe it wouldn't affect core 2 engineers too much. Also, I know core 2 was developed by an Israli team, but it still had to be adapted for production, and they haven't said anything about where the engineers who did that adaption lived.
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Exactly you said it.. SPECULATION. If you're speculating then you need to start each one of your sentences with "In my opinion" or "I'm speculating that".

Making blank statements like "Intel is selling their processors at artificially low prices" would indicate that you are claiming this as fact. Therefore the response you received was that of merit.

Careful how you word your sentences in the near future.
 
Cy,

Please think through what you just posted... Maybe read it through once or twice..

So you think that Intel laid off its Core 2 Duo team?

MMMMMMhhhhhhhhmmmmm :roll: :roll: :roll:

Good thinking.... Go back and read the layoff announcements and find out which divisions are being handed a pink slip...

Also, Cy with your BMesque logic please stay away from the stock market.. This is for your own good... Just trying to help...
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I thought I told you Intel w h o r e s to not bring up my name? It seems like your infatuated.

What is sad, this is one of your best posts.

In terms of bringing up your name, you should be proud, you have etched your name into a bit of fame around here.
You mean quite a bit of infamy?
 
I don't have the same obligations, maybe after I've hit my 2000th post I'll leave the job to one of the many up and comers around here.
He's far from mentally handicapped. One of my brothers is mentally disabled and he has more sense in his left pinkie that <insert name> has had in his entire tenure here. He can even see <insert name>'s BS.

Therefore, I show no pity, I show no mercy, I have weighted him and he has been found lacking. May my judgement come to pass and may the gods have mercy on his soul....




Did that sound kinda ominous to you?
 
(...) As we all know, these processors are not commercially available (...)
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I could just have picked up any sentence of yours; I just felt some empathy for this one.
Why? Because it relays your argumentation to the very opposite of the article's intent, clearly reflected in the AMD's representative's words:

'The competitive performance and advantages of AMD’s current product offerings combined with our widening relationships with system builders and regional and global OEMs have hampered our ability to fully meet the demand of some customers, including regional OEM partners. The situation is slowly but steadily improving, and we continue of course to work every avenue to meet the needs of our customers. Because we are in our quiet period prior to reporting our Q3 2006 Financial Results, this is as detailed a response as we can provide at this time'.
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Never a company, in any business branch, can afford the luxury of despising, neglecting or in any other ways, harm its own customers, whatever the circumstances & the niches concerned (obviously excluding drastic shifts in srategy, bankrupcy or any other major cause); this, comes from PR & Marketing elementals and is valid for any business/company. The consequences are, once more, obvious. And, this time around, seems that AMD's doing it.


Cheers!
 
I think all I'll do tonight is just help people. AMD fanboys, Intel fanboys and the rest of us came together to fight in the Bump wars. This will definitely go down in my THF blog. Baron gets a temporary reprieve.
 
You missed that? Some loon totally spamed the forumz. We need to fight his spam posts buy bumping the good threads to the top.
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This kind of foolishness killed the forumz.
I hope this never happens again.
 
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