AMD K8L

[m25]

And here comes your modesty :lol:
I just rated it 5 out of 5.

 

[HA_ZEE]

You are a void of intelligeble knowledge. If you don't have anything positive to contribute keep your PC to yourself.

 

[MatTheMurdera]

Stating my opinion does not make me a fanboy. I see wider busses and executin units, add the 65nm shrinking and I THINK K8L will be better than Conroe. Anything ba about this?! :roll:
This does not mean that AM can pour his BS on me allover this thread!

Well keep in mind that all that is only on paper, that and the fact that sometimes what’s put in a processor does less for it than expected (I want my 10Ghz P4!). I could say Intel is making CSI and it will be add 10% performance to all processors, but will it turn out that way? There are simply to many variables to draw any sort of a conclusion. So I advise you not to make such a conclusion, conversely I wouldn’t say Conroe will be it. Saying one way or the other without facts (even specs, they aren’t set in stone) is only inviting trouble.

 

[1Tanker]

Stating my opinion does not make me a fanboy. I see wider busses and executin units, add the 65nm shrinking and I THINK K8L will be better than Conroe. Anything ba about this?! :roll:
This does not mean that AM can pour his BS on me allover this thread!

Well keep in mind that all that is only on paper, that and the fact that sometimes what’s put in a processor does less for it than expected (I want my 10Ghz P4!). I could say Intel is making CSI and it will be add 10% performance to all processors, but will it turn out that way? There are simply to many variables to draw any sort of a conclusion. So I advise you not to make such a conclusion, conversely I wouldn’t say Conroe will be it. Saying one way or the other without facts (even specs, they aren’t set in stone) is only inviting trouble.Well, i hope CSI doesn't bring all the traits of IMC with it...such as - high dependance on high memory speed/ tight timings. You have to admit, that on C2D, having a lot of cache(coupled with great prefetchers) has taken a lot of the importance of memory out of the equation, which makes it easier to extract C2D's performance for the majority of owners. The fact that even dropping C2D in an ASRock 775Dual-VSTA with DDR400 doesn't cripple it is very exciting, and a we rarely get bonuses like this in the tech world now-a-days.

 

[GiDDY_SOUL]

Its about posting all the pictures not bringing rehashed K8L info

Rehashed infos r usually based on assumptions..

Again with the assumptions from your ass?

funny.. Does ur assumption come from ur Ass! ( Use ur brain dude )

Assuming Ur mind says -> "Stupid noob"

Benchmarks come in diagrams too :roll:
benchmarks give how well a CPU performs.
Infos or infos in pic about the Architecture give an idea of how well a CPU could perform.

 

[m25]

Well keep in mind that all that is only on paper, that and the fact that sometimes what’s put in a processor does less for it than expected (I want my 10Ghz P4!). I could say Intel is making CSI and it will be add 10% performance to all processors, but will it turn out that way? There are simply to many variables to draw any sort of a conclusion. So I advise you not to make such a conclusion, conversely I wouldn’t say Conroe will be it. Saying one way or the other without facts (even specs, they aren’t set in stone) is only inviting trouble.

Again; If we had benchmarks we'd have nothing to discuss. My conclusions are personal and totally inoffensive. They're based on the same way of unbiased reasoning of the X-Bit article.
By the same logic, I realized that conroe would be a top performer when I saw it's diagrams. It's no more the P4 era and if not 100% you can guess by the diagrams a good 70-80% of what a processor will perform like because you compare it with two consolidated architectures like K8 and Core2.

 

[Action_Man]

Rehashed infos r usually based on assumptions..

No you stupid noob its based on fact.

funny.. Does ur assumption come from ur Ass! ( Use ur brain dude )

Ok moron.

Benchmarks come in diagrams too

Are these benchmarks you stupid noob? :roll:

benchmarks give how well a CPU performs.

About time you figured something out but you left out the important real life part.

Infos or infos in pic about the Architecture give an idea of how well a CPU could perform.

My bold says it all.

 

[lowlifecat]

Careful action man ur starting to sound like MMM.

Yea Action_Man what is your deal lately? You have been lashing out at almost everyone. Sit back, drink a beer, watch a porno and relax dude.

shhh. leave him alone. I'm really enjoying watching this; it's giving me a good laugh.

want some popcorn? 😛 😀 😀

 

[KarmaKiller]

Careful action man ur starting to sound like MMM.

Yea Action_Man what is your deal lately? You have been lashing out at almost everyone. Sit back, drink a beer, watch a porno and relax dude.

shhh. leave him alone. I'm really enjoying watching this; it's giving me a good laugh.

want some popcorn? 😛 😀 😀

Dude, you ABSOLUTELY rock xD

 

[kg4icg]

Coming from a electronics background eventhough i'm just a trucker and happen to be 43 years old and a ham radio operator. A CPU diagram doesn't tell how it's going to operate, it just tells you how it's put together. Like all circuit diagrams, or block charts. To actually tell how it's going to work , you actually have to have a working sample and put ity thru its paces to see if it will perform as expected. If not then you have to make modifications, then back to reassembly. That's just my opinion.


ps
i have a 60,000 lb cat just waiting to meet you


Cat 330L

 

[Heyyou27]

On a side note I remembered how FUGGER got so excited when he saw the first flow chart of Pentium4 S432 only to be denied by the first ES benchmark and yet still tried to defend it.
And now I have to deal with the new generation after FUGGER has left... *sigh*

But FUGGER did get his hands on Conroe engineering samples awfully early, the lucky bastard; being a fanboy can pay off if you do it right. 😉

 

[GiDDY_SOUL]

Seems like U hate Diagrams which help understand something much more easily and quickly than words.
just for example: "U r stupid" U had to read it all to understand.
If this was to given in pic.. labeling it just "stupid" would b enough!
Or in ur case.. Just ur pic would imply -> Stupid!

Rehashed infos r usually based on assumptions..

No you stupid noob its based on fact.

read the BOLD. Not all rehashed infos r based on facts.

Benchmarks come in diagrams too

Are these benchmarks you stupid noob? :roll:

I meant.. Diagrams r easier to understand so even benchmarks r given in diagrams.
NO. these r not benchmarks, but seems like u r having a tough time. (Didnt even realise those werent benchmarks!?)

Infos or infos in pic about the Architecture give an idea of how well a CPU could perform.

My bold says it all.

If we had benchmarks we'd have nothing to discuss.

 

[GiDDY_SOUL]

In x-bit labs they were refering K8L as a Conroe Killer. It is true I think cuz then why would AMD b releasing 4x4!
4x4 is the answer to Conroe.
I think K8L is the answer to intels Core 3 or intels next generation architecture.

K8L performance equation hehe..

Core 2 < K8L <=>(?) intels next generation architecture.?


I read somewhere that K8L was supposed to b named K8V and because some mobo makers name their models as K8V.. AMD named it K8L to avoid confusion.
L = 0.5 ?

 

[wickedmonster]

I think K8L, judging from preliminary analysis, seems like it will be competitive with Core2. It's hard to say if will be faster because we don't know much about it. But here are some of my thoughts on AMD's next gen vs Intel.

K8L will be competing with Kentsfield/Clovertown. There's a lot of talk about the FSB being limited in 4x environment. However, Coolaler over at xtremesystems benchmarked such a system and shows that Kentsfield scales very well. 80% performance gain of theoretical.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1527913

So, Core2 4x is not FSB limited. Plus, Woodcrest systems use dual FSB so the FSB should be fine.

K8L will probably close the IPC gap. But I think where AMD will have problems with is the scaling part. Remember, Performance=IPC*Hz
Since K8L will be native 4x core, yield will probably be not too good. Meaning extracting extra Mhz out of that thing will be difficult. K8L might be low on GHZ. I think that's why Intel went with two dies instead of one. You can scale much easier with dual core vs quad core, ie it's easier to find two 3GHZ dualcore processor vs one 3ghz quadcore processor. Around mid 2007, K8L might be competing against 4ghz Conroe chips. People are alreading overclocking core2's that high on air. So unless, K8L can match Core2's clock speed(3.5-4ghz), it might have a hard time competing.

The desktop version of K8L won't arrive until 2008. By which it will be competing against Intel's 45nm Penryn core. Shortly after, Nehalem will arrive. The odds are against AMD taking the performance crown for any extended period of time. But then again, that's to be expected against a giant like Intel.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

 

[Action_Man]

Looks like you're stupidier then I thought you were.

Seems like U hate Diagrams which help understand something much more easily and quickly than words.

Ok thats a stupid assumption.

just for example: "U r stupid" U had to read it all to understand.
If this was to given in pic.. labeling it just "stupid" would b enough!
Or in ur case.. Just ur pic would imply -> Stupid!

I have no idea WTF you are rambling on about.

I meant.. Diagrams r easier to understand so even benchmarks r given in diagrams.

FFS how much can you butcher the English language?

NO. these r not benchmarks, but seems like u r having a tough time. (Didnt even realise those werent benchmarks!?)

Are you retarded? Seriously just wondering.

If we had benchmarks we'd have nothing to discuss.

No if we had benchmarks we would have something to discuss you idiot. When core 2 benchmarks came out there was far far more discussion then when the diagrams and crap came out.

In x-bit labs they were refering K8L as a Conroe Killer. It is true I think cuz then why would AMD b releasing 4x4!

To take attention away from the core 2, to make more money from stupid people.

4x4 is the answer to Conroe.

How? Its still slower in just about everything.

Stupid noob.

 

[Atolsammeek]

Hay Giddy Soul you wrote a good tread.

To bad People like Action mand and RedZone and m25 and a few others made the tread bad. They acted like children. But at the end I started seeing you Acting like the rest of them dont join them. Best to try to stay with facts of the tread and let little kids have there little fight with each other and I agree with the others it funny to watch them at like children.

But like me there are people who like the info It gives more info on the K8L and 4x4. But like the others say it just info no cpu bench marks which I agree with. Who would know, who could tell, if this system will be the beast that brings conroe down. We can't see in the future. I hope it a close Match or a victory for Amd. Just due to the facts it will bring Conroe chips down in price. So people who love Intel can buy there chips cheaper like the people who love am2 who can buy there chips at a lower cost now.

If it happens to be like the presscott flop it gonig to give Amd a bad image and Intel prices will sky rocket. Like the Amd fx chips and 4000+ and 5000+. I think Fanboys should think about that.

 

[GiDDY_SOUL]

In x-bit labs they were refering K8L as a Conroe Killer.

And you believe anything said without any benchmark.

Even benchmarks r provided by them and u believe them. Dont u?

4x4 is the answer to Conroe.

Can't get anymore retarded than that.
And again, where's my benchmark?

I think K8L is the answer to intels Core 3 or intels next generation architecture.

You think wrong.

I never said 4x4 will perform better than Conroe. I just said that is wat AMD will reply with.

 

[m25]

There's absolutely NOTHING to discuss about unless any first benchmarks are out. PERIOD
You're only going to compete with BaronBS and 9nm if you keep pressing on. [/final warning]

Sorry, but what is your concept of discussion, opinion and imagination?!
Until K8L isn't out, everybody has the right to place his thoughts on THE ARCHITECTURE. Don't you discuss before a football match, or you always do it after; you wait for the 'benchmarks'. They ask you who will win and you say what you think because you know THE POTENTIALITIES of each team; It;s the same thing here. We're comparing K8Ls DIAGRAM with Conroe's DIAGRAM, It's pretty fair and logical.
How do you discuss Conroe's performance if you have the benchmarks?! Why is it superior? : you still have refer to the diagrams to explain this.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST: WHY don't you and your friend AM write a line to people who talk about Nelahem and other 2010s Intel projects, when they come with just a roadmap with only years and names on it?! (This is retoric, so don't try to answer) :lol:

 

[Action_Man]

Hay Giddy Soul you wrote a good tread.

Posting a bunch of pictures and the conclusion from an article is a good thread? :roll:

 

[GloriosoSLB]

Reliability, Availibility, Serviceability (RAS)

http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/hardware/whitepapers/p690_ras.html

http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/server/ras.pdf#search=%22memory%20ras%20server%20intel%22

 

[m25]

Hay Giddy Soul you wrote a good tread.

Posting a bunch of pictures and the conclusion from an article is a good thread? :roll:

Oh prosecutor of the 'morons'. Some time ago there were threads with Nehalem roadmaps of 2010 and people who claimed they would wipe out K8L.
Where were you then, O GREAT to enlighten us :?: :!: :idea: .

Know what, I changed my opinion on you. You're not an Intel fanboy; You're just an AMD allergic

 

[Action_Man]

Some time ago there were threads with Nehalem roadmaps of 2010 and people who claimed they would wipe out K8L.

Got a link moron?

Know what, I changed my opinion on you. You're not an Intel fanboy; You're just an AMD allergic

And you're a stupid AMD fanboy. BTW are challenging BM and 9nm for the title of stupidest AMD fanboy? You're well on your way!

 

[m25]

Got a link moron?

No but I will unleash you on the next I see O GREAT.

And you're a stupid AMD fanboy. BTW are challenging BM and 9nm for the title of stupidest AMD fanboy? You're well on your way!

I am not and I can prove it: Conroe is head and shoulders above the A64s.
While you can't force your fingers to write "Netburst is CRAP" that's why you're also a fanboy :lol:

 

[GloriosoSLB]

Even if you are right… you lost it when you start insulting people.

I think it’s strange that the Moderators haven’t banned you yet.

 

[Action_Man]

No but I will unleash you on the next I see O GREAT.

So basically you have nothing?

I am not and I can prove it: Conroe is head and shoulders above the A64s.
While you can't force your fingers to write "Netburst is CRAP" that's why you're also a fanboy

Netburst was sh!t, it only came good with the northwood b and c. Then it went all down hill. I've said this many many times before. Why don't you go look that one up.