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Who Will Win?

  • Conroe

    Votes: 59 27.3%

  • K8L

    Votes: 133 61.6%

  • Others

    Votes: 24 11.1%
  • Total voters
    216
Netburst was sh!t, it only came good with the northwood b and c. Then it went all down hill. I've said this many many times before. Why don't you go look that one up.
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OK, but I'd rather look up one where you criticise an Intel roadmap with only names and years from 2006 to 2010 and people who say "AMD has nothing to compete with intel until 2010".
 
Comparing architecture and comparing performance is two totally different things. Architecture can be compared through words, performance of an architecture can only be compared through real-world benchmarks.
Such simple difference and you can't differentiate between the two.
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At the end an architecture is applied, not diagrammed and sticked on the wall. The actual conroe advantage sits in the aded SSE units and wider buses than K8; If K8L will add more SSE units with a wider bus it will most probably outperform conroe.
This is called LOGICS and if you take off your blue glasses, yours might also start working.
 
Netburst was sh!t, it only came good with the northwood b and c. Then it went all down hill. I've said this many many times before. Why don't you go look that one up.
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OK, but I'd rather look up one where you criticise an Intel roadmap with only names and years from 2006 to 2010 and people who say "AMD has nothing to compete with intel until 2010".

Who gives a toss. Get over it you stupid fanboy.
 
The actual conroe advantage sits in the aded SSE units and wider buses than K8; If K8L will add more SSE units with a wider bus it will most probably outperform conroe.
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You do realise that conroe is more then that and K8L is more then that. You do realise theres much more to an architecture then those things, right?
 
The actual conroe advantage sits in the aded SSE units and wider buses than K8; If K8L will add more SSE units with a wider bus it will most probably outperform conroe.
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You do realise that conroe is more then that and K8L is more then that. You do realise theres much more to an architecture then those things, right?

Yes, but the problem is that we're just talking about architectures. :roll:
I don't give a f*** about who's who; if Intel or AMD, I just compare some info on equal basis, how hard is this to understand??????
 
m25 & GIDDY_SOUL :lol:

Finaly BaronBS has a competition :)
Well it will be hard for you to be the most stupid member on THG forumz, the competiton is strong and BaronBS has a lot of expirience
 
You're talking about how architecture affects performance. That's bullshit, and has been proven in the past with Netburst.
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C'mon, should make a more intelligent comparision than with Netburst; since the 808xx to Conroe, that Sh!t is a planet apart, you can't compare it with anything.

In fact, the diagram X-bit posted isn't even showing the actual architecture of K8L (or whatever it's called).
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Typical fanboy ignoring. :lol:
 
Got tired of you, you forum grandfather; I'not posting anything else here, it's a waste of time, but the next time I write an opinion, I'd be glad if you and AM only expressed your disagreement like civilized human beings instead of insulting me like blind fanboys you are.
Thanks in advance.
 
Do I have to have one?
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No! You don't need any, you are always right. You are one of the scientific gods of knowledge. Up to date there were only few of your kind. The only sample we allready have before you came is BaronBS. So, you are a great news for the comunity of this subforum. We have a new clown now, congratulationgs!
 
I think K8L, judging from preliminary analysis, seems like it will be competitive with Core2. It's hard to say if will be faster because we don't know much about it. But here are some of my thoughts on AMD's next gen vs Intel.

K8L will be competing with Kentsfield/Clovertown. There's a lot of talk about the FSB being limited in 4x environment. However, Coolaler over at xtremesystems benchmarked such a system and shows that Kentsfield scales very well. 80% performance gain of theoretical.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1527913

So, Core2 4x is not FSB limited. Plus, Woodcrest systems use dual FSB so the FSB should be fine.

K8L will probably close the IPC gap. But I think where AMD will have problems with is the scaling part. Remember, Performance=IPC*Hz
Since K8L will be native 4x core, yield will probably be not too good. Meaning extracting extra Mhz out of that thing will be difficult. K8L might be low on GHZ. I think that's why Intel went with two dies instead of one. You can scale much easier with dual core vs quad core, ie it's easier to find two 3GHZ dualcore processor vs one 3ghz quadcore processor. Around mid 2007, K8L might be competing against 4ghz Conroe chips. People are alreading overclocking core2's that high on air. So unless, K8L can match Core2's clock speed(3.5-4ghz), it might have a hard time competing.

The desktop version of K8L won't arrive until 2008. By which it will be competing against Intel's 45nm Penryn core. Shortly after, Nehalem will arrive. The odds are against AMD taking the performance crown for any extended period of time. But then again, that's to be expected against a giant like Intel.

Anyway, my 2 cents.
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Excellent point. As i read over this thread i coulnd believe that no one factored in clock speed. Even if K8L in IPC how high can it scale?

Current AMD roadmaps show one new FX series ~ every six months until Q1 08. With FX64 later this year that puts FX 68 about a year from now @ 3.2-3.4ghz on 65nm. This proc may or may not be Rev G based Quad core, which are rumored to come out in next summer.

Being a new uArch K8L yields are likey to be lower than K8, so maybe 3-3.2 is a good estimate.

Even if K8L has a 15-20% better IPC than Core 2, Intel needs only to scale a quad core to 3.46 or 3.67ghz to match it. Thats only three speed bins up from where they are now; only 2 above the 3.2ghz they have for later this year. being as its just two conroes in one, Kentsfield yields should allow it to scale without issue. And thats only counting stock speed. When factoring in transition to 1333 fsb and next year's 45nm process upgrade, AMD's IPC increase wont matter if they cant touch Intels clock speed

Even if im wrong Intels next Proc, Tigerton/Harpertown/Nehalem, what ever it may be, is set for summer '08, just six short months after K8L's intoduction
 
Got tired of you, you forum grandfather; I'not posting anything else here, it's a waste of time, but the next time I write an opinion, I'd be glad if you and AM only expressed your disagreement like civilized human beings instead of insulting me like blind fanboys you are.
Thanks in advance.
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There's a lot of love on this forum right now :lol:
I wish I could post and become more involved again but I'm working too much and out having fun with the rest of my time right now. Just an observation though guys, stop being such assholes to each other and get back to discussing cpu's and the industry. This level that many have sunk to with personal insults lately is disgusting.
 
Well, in the last few pages I am reading BS and gues what?
more than 50% are yours!
I really, really don't like that. So, it will be highly apritiated if you understand my anger and unpleased behavior.
I think you are expecting too much form K8L and too early, while hoping that the enemy of your fan-brand will wait with the hands holding on the ass.
It is up to you, your ignorance and the "freedom of speech". You may post BS, but you will be unrespected.
 
Listen Action man. I like to see info. If it gives me a basic idea of what the cpu dose it good info. It might change over time I dont care. I will take the info and try to understand it. I will not act like you and act like a child. You know it funny How you like to post intel stuff that has no Info Other then mybe. So I say this you act like 9 inch Intel twin.

Where I stand I like to see what might happens. Who knows amd might have something totaly differnt then what they show. Intel might have something differnt then conroe. We dont know. But it a good idea to grab all the info and try to understand it.

I love Faster computers and I dont care if it Amd or Intel. But I hate INTEL and AMD FANBOY. Why they make tomshardware forum a joke.
 
Ok atol you're a complete tosser. I'm not a fanboy, you are and you're in denial. STFU and get over it, no-one cares what you have to say. You constant comparing me to 9nm proves just how much of a dipsh!t you really are.
 
Well, in the last few pages I am reading BS and gues what?
more than 50% are yours!
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If you'd have really read it, you'd see that 99% of this thread is BS, unexplained insults addressed to me by AM and blind following of wusy. There's marely 1-2 technical posts and all the rest is their highly educated ways of telling me that I am so wrong; not a reason, not an explanation why.
got it sexy avatar?
 
m25 I m not telling you anything. But in a way you feed the fire.

Action man I m a fanboy of the fastest cpu out. This could be Amd or Intel. I dont care. What ever has price and speed. You on the other hand is a Intel fanboy face the facts and act like a adult. Not a 4 year old.

The last 30 Post I seen from you Action man has been Flaming. You dont even try to understand. At one time you seem like a great guy. Now you bash everything everyone says unless it about intel.

I like intel and my next computer might be intel. But I want to search for the right setup and waiting for prices to even out. But this dont stop me from learning about Amd or I will never turn my back on Amd.

I wish tomshardware forum gave a crap and kick some people off this forum and give people like me and jack and 50 so other people a website that not 90% flame wars.
 
If you'd have really read it, you'd see that 99% of this thread is BS, unexplained insults addressed to me by AM and blind following of wusy. There's marely 1-2 technical posts and all the rest is their highly educated ways of telling me that I am so wrong; not a reason, not an explanation why.
got it sexy avatar?
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So, you win 50% BS are yours, 49% are belonging to the action_wusy crew.
It was very well explained to you and you are ignoring it. Try to post less, read more and learn something.
 
Atol all your posts are the same crap over and over again. You're an AMD fanboy and need to get over it. Stop calling me an intel fanboy and BSing about me bashing everything unless its about intel. :roll:

I will never turn my back on Amd.
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Proof you're a fanboy.

I wish tomshardware forum gave a crap and kick some people off this forum and give people like me and jack and 50 so other people a website that not 90% flame wars.
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Thats rich how you compare yourself to jack, funnier still that he made you part of the horde.
 
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