AMD Phenom II 940 "Xtremely" Benchmarked

[jj463rd]

Microsoft FSX will be the REAL test for the Phenom II.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea, itll be interesting to see how it scales in MT in games

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Heres a site http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewproduct.asp?PID=CPU-PHENOM&updepts=CPU&DNAME=Processors+%2D+CPU
235$ and 270$. Not too bad

 

[spathotan]

You can buy it right now, its in my cart. Prices are too high. Ive used mwave a few times, dont expect that price to be much lower anywhere else, they are competitive.

$275 is suicide

 

[yipsl]

Hmm, I'd say we should wait a few more days until the NDA lifts and we can see comparisons from AT and Tom's and other sites, before passing final judgment on Deneb. My own opinion is that it'll turn out somewhere between a Kentie and a Yorkie, but then I'm a known Intel fanboy! .

I agree that it will turn out somewhere in that range, but I expect it will be more competitive in gaming at 22" and higher resolutions. That's back where AMD was vis a vis Netburst. Back then, Intel fans (and I was one) argued that though the Northwoods didn't do as well in games, they were close; plus they were ahead in other applications.

Can't wait to read comparisons tomorrow too, but those will be of the two upgrade oriented Denebs. I'm less interested in how a Phenom II 920 compares to a Q6600 than I am in how it compares to my Toliman 8750. If it's not significantly better as an upgrade CPU, then I'll wait and build an AM3 AMD system in early 2010. All I'm willing to do this year is get this monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116396

This Blu-ray drive:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136133

Plus 4 gigs of DDR2 1066 to replace the DDR2 800 and maybe a PII 920, but AMD has to sell me on it with benchmarks showing me that sticking with an 8750 for a year is a lost cause. No new motherboards for me this year.

I've even decided to stick with the 3870x2 until the fall. It doesn't do that badly at 1920 x 1080.

Unfortunately for AMD, this may be their finest for the next 2-3 years, since their own roadmaps show Bulldozer pushed back to 2011. Hopefully the 6-core version plus some clock and steppings tweaks will keep them in the game when Westmere comes out in a year.

I'd thought the first generation of Deneb would be SOI, but a later version would be HKMG? Would that make a difference? Intel fans said it made a difference back when Phenom first arrived, because it allowed higher clocks.

AM3 Denebs using HKMG might be the transition to their next architecture. We'll see where that goes.

 

[jj463rd]

$275 and $235 that's EXACTLY what I thought the price point would be at.

 

[yipsl]

Then in high-res gaming, i7 loses not just to P2 but to Q6600, and HT's detrimental impact is seen left and right.

For now, it isn't a convincing point to say the P2 beats i7 in some benchmark when the under-$200 Q6600 also beats i7 in that same bench.

My aging memory might be wrong, but didn't hyperthreading hurt gaming on the P4? I didn't have an HT capable P4 until I was given a motherboard and P4 630 long after I already had an X2 3800+ in the main PC. Most of my P4 gaming was done on one Williamette and two Northwoods.

If this is the same HT as on the P4, then it's a given that it's no good for games. It wasn't designed to be.

I agree that it's not a convincing point for someone who doesn't mind building a Kentsfield EOL system to tide them over, and it's not convincing for an Intel upgrader, but if it matches Q6600 it's finally great for those of us who have Phenoms.

The first generation P2 is basically an upgrader's CPU for those with Athlon X2's on AM2+ boards and those with slower Phenoms.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Or, someone without a newer system, or a second rig, or a first time buyer, or for people with extra cash that just wants something different, and theyll be happy they did, as I know of a few that own both, and are somewhat underwhelmed by the P1's performance, even tho its a altogether different toy, at least the new P2s will perform nicely for them this time too

 

[yipsl]

The biggest gains (10%+) are in low res gaming, but in everything else its around a 5% improvement overall.

I agree about the older Intel chipset. They should use the latest. A Phenom 9600 on a 690G board wouldn't be any faster in most games and apps (even one's using up to 4 cores) than my Toliman 8750 on a 780G. So, a Q6600 on an older chipset board vs. Phenom 2 on a 790 is intentionally tilting the review slightly in AMD's favor.

Chipsets matter, which is why I still buy AMD. I really like the ATI derived chipsets.

If the improvement at 1920 x 1080 is only 5%, then I'll keep the Toliman for a year. At least until Phenom II HKMG comes out.

 

[roofus]

very nice pricing. if they perform as alleged they are a bargain.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Its like garaunteeing a oc of 3.6 on up for 275$. Not bad, and low power and runs cooll too. Thats something you cant get from a Q6600, is 3.6 easily, plus, a lil faster at those clocks too. Its competitive. I just want a thourough gaming bench on these cpus dang it heheh

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Since it hasnt been posted yet http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=213690
Nice numbers with perf too

 

[roofus]

i am so glad i was too lazy to send that Destroyer back now. that thing really hooks up with the p2!

 

[EXT64]

Yeah, since it seems ACC isn't important anymore almost any AM2+ board is good now.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea, I delayed posting this, hoping for site benches to come in, as weve seen alot of personal ones, but his is a very nicely done compilation, and good to hear you have that board

 

[roofus]

for a 159 dollar board i can throw my 260's on and get 4050 on air with a quad core, that's unreal.

 

[spathotan]

Nice results. Looks like the Foxconn Destroyer will be a hit, its been out for awhile too.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/434005-phenom-i-phenom-ii-review-comparison.html
OK, heres another personal one

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I know its not Toms or Anands, but here ya go http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1704/10/amd_phenom_ii_arrives_45nm_deneb_and_dragon_platform/index.html
@ yipsl, they do have a criptrip in there too

 

[Just_An_Engineer]

I know its not Toms or Anands, but here ya go http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1704/10/amd_phenom_ii_arrives_45nm_deneb_and_dragon_platform/index.html
@ yipsl, they do have a criptrip in there too

Looks to be about what we all expected. Performance equivalent to the midrange Yorkfields but at a slightly cheaper price. Should be a nice upgrade option for all of us AM2 owners out there.

 

[EXT64]

It's been officially Launched.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_15331_15917,00.html

 

[EXT64]

As well as official prices. Here we go!

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPPR01

 

[Just_An_Engineer]

As well as official prices. Here we go!

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPPR01

What do you know, the pricing rumors actually turned out to be correct for once! Considering that the Phenom II 940 is pretty close in performance to the QX9550 that currently sells for $315 those prices seem to be reasonable.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And after all the rumbling, bumbling stumbling comments on how it was waaay too much heheh, when everyone tried to say, itd be priced as to perf.

 

[EXT64]

Tom's review is up too if everyone hasn't already seen it.