AMD Phenom II 940 "Xtremely" Benchmarked

[gallag]

http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr84/PetNorth/Summary/agena_deneb_3000_2400NB.jpg

Sometimes you have only to scroll down the page a little. Anyway, I said something wrong. The increase on the NB frequency is of 600 MHz, but I still think it will be a 6% increase *when* coupled with DDR3. Otherwise, the NB at 2400 Mhz (which is doable on any of these chips, just look at the other threads) will result on an average gain of 7%.

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[JAYDEEJOHN]

In Vantage, it shows a 5% gain with P2@ stock, 1 having 1.8 the other 2.4

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Heres the link, and done by a familiar poster too http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214595

 

[spathotan]

In other news, the Q9400 is $230 on ZZF with free shipping. And $223 on mwave with $10 shipping. Its on Newegg for $240 with their outlandish standard $8 shipping. Now I have to decide between the Q9400 or Q9550 🙁

 

[gallag]

In Vantage, it shows a 5% gain with P2@ stock, 1 having 1.8 the other 2.4

Where?

Also is it picking the best again? And if on the best a 600mhz increase netts 5% how will a 200mhz increase achieve this on average?

 

[gallag]

And I think that %5 is mostly from the fusion software, You can confirm this by reading the chart.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Just the one test on Vantage. Not alot of apps, cant find that one yet, but Ill post it if I find it. I know its not complete, but Ive seen more, but it was in the initial release, where there were tons of posts to sift thru and read. I remember seeing a 3. something % in perf increases, plus adding the DDR3, they (from whatever post) concluded the same that I did as well, and having AMDs graphs in perf, the one where it shows 25% overall, including clocks and AM3 over Agena, just cant find it now

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Actually, read what the posters saying

 

[jimmysmitty]

In other news, the Q9400 is $230 on ZZF with free shipping. And $223 on mwave with $10 shipping. Its on Newegg for $240 with their outlandish standard $8 shipping. Now I have to decide between the Q9400 or Q9550 🙁

I would wait a bit more. The Q9650 has been seen for about $300-$350. It could drop in price even more and that would be a awesome OCer.

As for what I was saying, I understand that DDR3 is faster hence why DDR3 1600 has 2x the latency (well less now) than DDR2 800. But my point is that it seems that AMDs CPUs have always done better with lower latency memory. All I am saying is we can set here and guess all we want, or take AMDs word for it (although that never works out either with AMD or Intel).

The main point I am making is that we need to find out how the lantency of DDR3 will affect P II. We can't just say because of the faster frequencies it will be faster. It doesn't work that way.

In that same area, I would be willing to bet that a Core i7 benefits from lower latency DDR3 as well due to the IMC. But that has to be tested as well.

 

[gallag]

o.k jdj, From the link you just posted the difrence between 1.8nb and 2.4nb (600mhz) is 11272 to 11444, 172 points, What % is that, you do see that you are proving my point?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I hate Vantage and 3DMarks anyways, tho they are a bench. I wish I could remember where I saw real apps and games benched using a higher HT:. Sorry, its the only thing I can find for now

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Theres more to come, its there, I just cant find it. Im not lying or making it up
@ jimmy, looking at the link Ive just provided, going from DDR2 1066 @ 5 5 5 timings vs DDR2 800 @ 4 4 4 its about the same in Vantage, tho the cpu readings were lower on the DDR2800

 

[WR]

JDJ, I notice your 9.xx%-average link does not specify clock speeds, at which point I have to assume the P2 is getting a 400MHz advantage (15%) over P1. Are the AM3's coming out at up to 3.5GHz for the trend to continue as you promise?

If AM3 comes with similar core clocks to AM2, I can only see us hardening the measured 5% figure for P1 -> P2 IPC, calling into doubt the predicted figure for AM2 -> AM3 IPC.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Its the same clocks, as well as the same mobo, ram, chipset etc etc etc

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

There will be a 3.1 coming out tho. As to why, I have no idea, unless its more ATI marketing effect

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Im not sure why someone would think Im making this up. Even looking at my link/graph, youd see that a gain of say 54.59% in Cinebench 2003 x64 OpenGL HW-L would be amazing going from someone thinking this was done at 3Ghz and then getting that % only ocing another 700Mhz. Or maybe, if it scaled fully, going from 2.4Ghz to 3.7Ghz, one would see thats a possibility

 

[dattimr]

There's so much information around (especially within this thread) that it just feels sick to go page after page just to find something we had talked about for a thousand times, Jay: I know.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I can understand the doubting after Agenas launch, and AMDs claims. But the claims made on P2 are legit. So are the AM3 claims. What is it at this point? Denial? Fear? Pride? I dont get it.

 

[dattimr]

As for the increase in performance per 200 more MHz set on the NB, I'll ask a friend of mine to benchmark a PI 9950 and a PII 940 ASAP.

Question is: we don't even know if AMD is taking that into consideration when they say "+ 4% for DDR3", so, we can only wait, but I would consider it to be a result of DDR3 + HT/NB frequencies until we know better, although I'm a little more optimistic about it.

Anyway, if somebody is not satisfied with PII as of today, I doubt it will when AM3 arrives. This is just a "plus" for who is interested. Besides, backwards compatibility with AM2 is neat, if you ask me. Foxconn will release a BIOS for my 60$ A6VMX (max. supported TDP of 95W) to run AM3 versions of PII.

 

[dattimr]

I can understand the doubting after Agenas launch, and AMDs claims. But the claims made on P2 are legit. So are the AM3 claims. What is it at this point? Denial? Fear? Pride? I dont get it.

There's a strange 'phenomena' on this forum whenever AMD is quoted.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Awesome goodness there. Im just glad to see AMD make up for the X2 skt 939 debacle, as theyre doing here. Its good to see AMD releasing so many chips. Id mentioned it earlier, its just as Intel does. I also mentioned process maturation as well, and am looking forwards to that as well, better thermals and ocees maybe.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Well, if someones feelings got hurt when AMD did the pooch with P1, and even now by not overtaking Intel, thats too bad. It doesnt change the facts. P2 is a good cpu. AM3 will be even better, and shouldnt shake people up just because its a quick release. Living on the cutting edge can cause bleeding. Im sure those going with the 940 arent disappointed by seeing price drops. Im sure people still waiting for things will be glad once AM3 is released as well.
Too much my dad is tougher than your dad around here

 

[dattimr]

I agree. I'm looking forward to see if the "95W" rating of PII 925 means just a change of "metrics" or a new revision. Anyway, it's either that or a 940 for me. But I must say my X2 4400+ is kicking ass in Windows 7 x64 Beta, even with just 2 GBs of RAM. Now that the main CPU launches have happened, I'm really excited about the final release of the OS. This and 40nm for ATI/Nvidia (but especially for ATI, since I'm in love with my 4670 and won't aim for the high-end anymore).

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Highend means high res+eyecandy. Sacrifice a lil eyecandy on a medium/smaller screen and your gaming using a medium setup/card. Thing is, since everyone knows that gpus drop alot in price, it doesnt bother me seeing the 940s drop either. As long as your whole system is compatible with a future upgrade path, whats the point? And no, this isnt aimed at Intel either, its just good to have

 

[Dekasav]

Dattmir, you're running a setup like mine. 2.6Ghz Brisbane, 2Gb DDR2 800, and a wonderful HD 4670. I, also, am incredibly excited about 40nm.

I just wish I had some benchies of PII on an AM2 (not + ) board.