AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE vs. Intel Core 2 Duo E8600

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lets take these numbers into account:

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the 8600 wins some, loses some. the architecture is better IMO. having said this, it will overclock a hell of a lot farther than an AMD quad will, being able to push past 4.2 easily.

another thing to take into account is the phenom 2's use A LOT and i cant stress this enough - a LOT more power when they are overclocked past their stock settings. this is one of the main reasons i will not be purchasing an AMD chip in the future. overclocking these things turns them into power hungry whores. being green is not easy with AMD. if you leave it stock, however, it would be a decent chip. i would say ditch both and wait for 32nm to come out.
 
Go with a 955 BE. It's cheaper and exactly the same as the 965 BE, though admittedly with the 965 the thermal diode finally works right. Anyway the 965 isn't any better at overclocking than the 955, it just has a higher starting multiplier and a properly calibrated monitoring thermal diode.
 


Son, i think it is time you go back to the books..... the 8600 does not win anything.... yes it is a superb overclocker hands down.... but to this date there is NO Core 2 Duo that can out-clock an AMD quad (940be or 955be).....

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Phenom-II-Overclocked,7747.html

The ONLY chip to surpass 7.1GHZ is the pentium 4 @ 8.1Ghz

On a side note: when you overclock to extreme speeds the last thing on your mind is the word "GREEN".....
 


Waiting for the new 32 core i5's and such to come out is a good idea if he is considering a dual core. An i7 920 is also a good idea. (but that wasn't in his specified options).

As for AMD being power hungry for overclocking, while somewhat true, you can overclock a amd proc (even a black edition) and keep QnC enabled which helps when doing menial tasks, such as posting answers on a forum for a person who doesn't seem to be responding to the answers.
 
wow overclocked to 8.1ghz lol. So AMD havn't really been particularly good overclockers then? As in how far they can overclock compared to their Intel counterparts. More power consuming, less performance for frequency, not as high overclocking. Lol rubbish, it would at least made sense if they consumed slightly less power or the same at least.
 
AMD quads overclock to the highest frequency? What is the difference range then in frequency. But the i7 975 or whatever it is lol must be able to overclock higher than the phenom II best possible processor for the overclock. You mean PII 965s can overclock higher than core 2 quads?
 
Yes the AMD quads can overclock much higher than the Core 2 Quads....The i7's are not considered high overclockers but they do not need it....the 975 is much faster than the 955 (AMD) at stocks speeds... but of course the 975 is 750.00$ more expensive.....

The 920 is bar far the best bang for buck CPU you can buy... at 4.0Ghz it will kill anything in its path... you can get a 920 for 215.00$, so basically if you are going to spend lets say 240.00$ on a 965(AMD), you will save more by buying the 920 and you end up with a superior chip.....
 
I can't imagine how much faster the i7 975 would be when overclocked to it's highest ability. I can't imagine how much faster it is than the phenom 965 full stop, it would be soo fast. When i will be getting my gaming computer, it will be a massive step up from the fasted computer i had before which was an Athlon X2 5000+ lol. But then the i7 975 is an extreme with unlocked multiplier or is meant to have overclocking advantages so i would expect it to overclock better than the i7 920?
 
The 975 is a waste of cash period.... after 4.0Ghz you cannot see a difference in speed unless you are benchmarking or trying to break a record.....

I am using a dual core at 4.0Ghz and it is to fast for my needs.. soo fast I downclocked to 3.65Ghz.....

For everyday normal use, gaming, burning cd's, surfing the net, etc... you do not need more than 4Ghz......

Yes the 975 is superior than the 920 as far as overclocking goes but that speed does not compensate for the ridiculous 1k price tag........

Don't get me wrong here, the 975 is in a league of its own...... the fastest chip period.... but not 1k fast...... :pfff:



 
Yeah once you get a i7 975 the bottneck becomes your GPU (which is what you should have spent part of the one grand), and other components, computers work on this philosophy
A team is only as strong as it's weakest player.
 
if you have a good enough cooler, i think the 965 will overclock farther, or you could get the 95 watt 945 3.0 ghz phenom II, same heat wattage as the 720 yet higher clock and a 4 core, and cheaper, than the 965.
 

The 720X3 is three of the same cores used in the 965 and will clock higher most of the time because 3cores produce less heat and use less power making for a bigger OC in fact all the phenom II cpu from the 810 to the 965 all OC to the same speeds but only the black editions do it by simply upping the multiplier.You are wrong ussually the 720X3 will overclock bigger than the 965X4
 

Oh and where do you get cheaper the 945 isnt a black edition so tough to OC and it goes for $160 on newegg vs $119 for the 720X3 and equal or better gaming performance.Im trying to save this guy money go away if you don't know what your saying.
 
yes the 945 is harder to OC, but not that much ( I actually OC my black edition, by using the reference clock not the multi, so that I can have CnQ enabled)

As for being cheaper, I meant cheaper than the 965. the 720 is off course cheaper especially if you can unlock the 4th core

As for the OC, i've seen 965's at 4.0
but no 720's there, It could be done, just haven't seen it.
Yes both processors are denebs, but there is a reason that one is at 3.4 and the other is at 2.8.
 



*sigh* jesus i hate having to own little noobs on toms...

here we go:

1) the charts clearly show the E8600 does infact beat the AMD quad in SEVERAL instances - INCLUDING RENDERING.... *hint hint* RENDERING. yes RENDERING. sorry can i say that again - RENDERING. what does this mean? 2 possible solutions:

rendering programs are not multithreaded
or
intel has a better architecture

both can be true.

2) the only AMD chips to reach that frequency were cherry picked amd chips under LIQUID HELIUM which is a few dregres above absolute zero - the temperature at which molecules stop moving. good luck acquiring some.

3) frequency does NOT matter at all. i would rather have an C2D single core architecture than a P4 running at the same frequencies - get your facts straight.

and when i mentioned the overclock and 'greenness' of AMD chips I MEANT A LITTLE OVERCLOCK - NOT A LOT. a TINY overclock above the stock frequency turns the phenom2's into power hungry whores EVEN WITH COOL AND QUIET.

maybe next time before you start being a fanboy on an enthusiast website you should ask www.google.com before coming on here and posting your rhetoric.

go E8600 just to piss this noob amd fanboy off.
 
I,ll say 1 thing, and it applies to multi threading in game performance, and any link to C2D with out my hint is pointless, its the 9.8 Cat drivers, done for MT, and does little for duals, and since this is mainly a gaming rig, and 1 has a dual, the other a quad, its a nobrainer.
How long have we waited for better MT? Well, some has just arrived for gaming
 
A poster above made the very wide generalization that with an i7-975, the GPU becomes the bottleneck. Without knowing how many GPUs, what type, what resolution, and other factors, one cannot make such a wide claim without further stating information to elaborate on the claim. The more GPUs are added, the more the limitation moves to the CPU. This also depends on what GPU you are using. Obviously, 2 4770s will not create a CPU limitation with an i7-975, but when you add more powerful GPUs, the limitation moves to the CPU.
 
Itll be interesting with the new cards coming out, being as theyre liely twice as fast, emaning, with a cf/sli setup, itll be like a quad setup, but not needing those evtra drivers. So, this gen cards puts another myth to bed
 




Do we have to be soo aggressive with each other. If someone maybe wrong don't penalise them, just try and politely prove them wrong.
 


Hey, you want me to buy you a Phenom II? Will you stop posting then? What is it, are you jealous of those who have PII over your outdated dual? You call other people who just post their non biased and honest opinion about the two CPUs fanboys because they don't say your CPU is the best. Really, you need to ease off a little. For the thread, PII 965 is a no brainer over that overpriced dual. Between it and I7 however, I would suggest that you get an I7 if you do advanced tasks or compression, and PII 965 for gaming because of the higher minimum fps and overall more stable experience.
 
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