AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE vs. Intel Core 2 Duo E8600

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You wasted your time writing all that info, and this is to you too werxen.....

By no means I am putting down the E8500 or E8600 as I stated the are superb overclockers.... My statement is that the AMD quad is superior to ANY Core2Duo.... you can ask ANYONE its a fact... it is what it is... You back it up with a list of over 40 benches and just cause the E8600 beat the quad in 4 tests you claim that the E8600 is superior? Like I said compare apple to apples and oranges to oranges.......

Dude you have to chill out, I don't think you get the point.. I don't hate Intel, nor I hate you nor anyone else here on Tom's .... I give you my 2 cent's and if you disagree you can PM me and we can settle it in private.... My goal here is to help out as many peeps as a can.... i don't come here to argue, If I have offended you by calling you a TROLL then I apologize and take it back (if that makes you feel better).....



 

OvrClkr - I'd be careful with general comments like this as they can be misleading and set people up for disappointment.

Just to clarify .... a fully stable 4.0GHz on air cooling is far from easy or even the norm. PII's in general will reach 3.6-3.9GHz on air with the 965BE and 550BE seemingly above average.

Sure, 4.0GHz+ certainly does happen, but it will vary chip to chip. I could likely give 6-8 links to 965BE launch articles where the max stable OC topped out 100-300 MHz shy of 4.0GHz. Of the ones reaching/exceeding 4.0GHz, I only recall 2 who confirmed stability.
 
yeah i did read some reviews about the 955 not being able to reach 4ghz. it couldn't complete the 3dmark, and so the most stable overclock was like 3.8ghz or something. Might that be the same with the PII 965, in that case it doesn't sound like a cost effective chip.

But apart from that, lol stop bullying OvrClkr, he's the veteran here, he's most likely been helping people out much longer than you two pack of wolves. Someguy7 and werxen.
 
if i was going to get an Asus Triton 81 cooler, might i as well go for a 955 because it will overclock just as much as the 965 on third party air cooling? But the 965 clocked at 3.8 or 4ghz would it actually be on a lower voltage compared to the 955, because the 140 watt TDP is better suited to that chip?
 


You get what you pay for :)
 



lol stop helping this kid. just let him live in AMD fantasy land. oh and the average maximum overclock is still not 3.9 its 3.7 :*( you're not gonna overclock past a wolfdale which can hit 3.8 on stock voltage. :lol: nice!
 


I already addressed this before but I see it didnt get through.


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Who said it is superior? We just pointed out that a statement you made "no matter what @ stock/overclocked speeds the C2D will trail the quad...." was incorrect. If you're doing on those 4 things the Intel would win. Making that statement false.

This more recent statement of yours is still false. "My statement is that the AMD quad is superior to ANY Core2Duo...." Over all yes, it is a better cpu. " you can ask ANYONE its a fact..." If you ask somebody that does one of those apps where the dual core wins like lame mp3 encoding(by a good margin as well) They will tell you the AMD overall is a better cpu but not for what I do. What good is a superior cpu if its not superior in what you use it for?


"it is what it is... You back it up with a list of over 40 benches and just cause the E8600 beat the quad in 4 tests you claim that the E8600 is superior?" No we claim that it performs better in those tasks. Its similar to the i7 vs PII debate. In the vast majority of tests/benches the Intel is faster. But in gaming the AMD usually at least performs equally or better then a i7 at resolutions that gamers play at. All those darn people with inferior cpus beating the superior cpu...

Believe it or not. There where actually people that wanted P4s over AMD's. For what they did they where the better choice.

If you want to give your 2 cents without having people disagree/discuss with you then YOU should just reply the ops post in a pm.







 



All that means is he has more post. If you dont know( you must not by saying such stupid things) you can click on a user's name and see this info. You say this. "he's the veteran here, he's most likely been helping people out much longer than you two pack of wolves. Someguy7 and werxen." Which is just flat out false. And now you reply this nonsense. Better? So now your stupid point is regular better than veteran? Fail after fail after fail.

Keep on posting. The more you post the "higher" your label gets. Then you can be smartest bestest coolest person on toms and the entire interwebs.

Better yet. Facepalm.

http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg

 
Any way apart from that, what's the maximum overclock the 965 can be taken to on stock voltages. While being perfectly stable at the sam time. Also what is the maximum memory overclock in relation to the maximum CPU overclock that is stable as well.
 
Haha. On that note I just noticed the badges thing on users. You have a badge that is Uniformed. I have a Lieutenant badge. So that sounds better. So no matter what I say im right because I am a Lieutenant around here buddy. And you're just some low level punk in Uniform. Get on the floor and give me 20.



 
OK, so, is not a i7 superior? And so, cant the same arguments be made either way about it? In gaming, its not superior, but its still regarded overall as better.
Whats the difference here?
If you say the i7 is superior, and yet claim the P2 quad isnt superior to a dual core, how does this work?
 



That would depend on your paticular cpu as to how far it goes on stock volts. One 965 may go alot higher then another. Depends on the ram. There are ram kits that are certified to run at certain OC levels from the manufacturer. Then you also got the motherboard to factor in. They are not created = either.
 
The only thing i7 in gaming has going for it is its IPC, and thats it, period.
Now, since P2' and the old C2D' IPC is similar, explain again how C2D duals is superior other than clocks? And this is for gaming only, where we see NO improvements in drivers concerning gaming using MT? and lil if any advantage in the new OS' in MT overall? And any app using MT will be better on a quad, so again, how are duals superior to quads?
 


I am not claiming the PII is not a better chip. I am just stated that is not superior in EVERYTHING no matter what as he stated before. I was saying if you use that kind of logic/terms then would not have the discussions about the i7 vs PII gaming performance simpy because ohh the i7 is "superior to the PII. Or the i7 compared to core2 based machines in gaming.
 
also when i was saying is veteran higher than regular i meant that i really didn't know and i was asking you. not that it matters much just wanted to know which rank was higher on this website.
 


That is not true. For what they intend to use the machine the PII may perform better. Example games. It also cost less so thats a plus. Why spend more for a chip that isnt better at the user's main use for the machine. Combine that with the fact that many user's can pop the PII into AM2+ boards they already have and use DDR2 that they already have.

 
i was concidering getting a core 2 duo 8600. it beat the i7 920 in Crysis i think. And for me i was like right i'm getting that lol. But i have a look at other results and apart from that i realise that i have more money to spend on the processor. Also do realise someguy7 when i was saying "is veteran higher than regular or regular higher than veteran" it wasn't a rehtorical question it was me genuinly asking which was higher because i didn't know and apart from that i wasn't trying to make a point that you are worse of than OvrClkr.
 



Dont look at as higher and lower. The ranking is simply based off how many post you have. The more post you have the "higher" it goes. Veteran has more post's than a regular. Think of it as a way of getting an idea of how many post's a user has without actually clicking the user's name and looking at their profile.
 

Thats where I sit as well. i7 overall is better, but the overall costs of its being better overall depends on usage.
This is the same scenario here, and even less so, since MT is being done thru drivers, where duals dont get as much, and thats for gaming, and the OS' also are doing this, and thats also for gaming and any other app out.
I think weve finally tirned the corner on duals vs quads, even in gaming
 
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