AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE vs. Intel Core 2 Duo E8600

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Ah, ok, then you are completely wrong. Another fanboy alert here. Nothing else to say, don't quote me please I am sick of these stupid discussions that I get dragged in by uninformed ignorant fanboys.
 
And yes, you are right, you couldn't see a difference in everyday use (gaming, surfing and opening videos) between the CPUs you said. Fail +1 to your post.
 



No he is not. You claimed that a PII can not be touched by a any core 2. So he shows that they can. Inferior arch again? Like we just said none of that matters. And for the manutacturing process. He actually was talking about the q9650 in most of the post. Which is a 45nm part on a proven process that is well over a year old. Also with the high k.... If anything you could make a case that the actual process on the penryn based core2 cpus is still ahead of PII.
 

My sole reason for posting was to prevent people from being misled by the "easy 4.0GHz" comment as that's way above normal expectations for full stability on air.

At Tom's, we have averaged over 3.7GHz for our samples (3.6 - 3.95), but none to my knowledge have been stable at 4.0GHz on air. The X2 550BE went the highest, the X4 965BE was only stable at 3.8GHz. Of the three I personally tested, 3.67GHz (X3 720BE), 3.74GHz (X3 710) , and 3.8GHz (X4 940) were the stable limits. I have three others sitting here I've yet to test.

Concerning E0 stepping C2D... IMO you have as good a shot of reaching a stable air-cooled 4.5GHz on an e8600 as 4.0GHz on a Phenom II, so no doubt which will reach 4.0GHz easier. Shoot, even the E5200's I've tested are batting 80% on air in 4.0GHz stability.


 



Everyday use a broad term. For the vast majority of people with computers gaming is not a everyday use. Most machines out there run Intel IGP's. You can play solitaire on them. Everyday use with users on this forum may include gaming. I give you that. You will notice a difference in a gaming machine. But surfing and opening videos no.

And just so you know. I am not fanboy. I would not purchase a core2 system over a PII. And if I was to build a machine today it would no doubt be either a X3 720 or a x4 955. Maybe in the next couple weeks with the new i5's it would change. We shall see when these NDA's are lifted.

You're the kettle calling the pot black. Anand is intel biased and the rest of the junk you stated in the thread.
 



Testing CPU's for Tom's! Nice goin'. :)
 

Actually, this isn't true. What it means is more posts since the change took place. You could be here for 7 years and had 15K posts and now be labeled a regular.
 
can the Phenom II 965 overclock more than the q9650 in terms of how much it has overclocked by rather than what frequency it has overclocked to on air cooling. If you get what i mean.
 



All of those are gaming Reviews. The PII's are great gaming cpus. I am not saying they are not and I dont see anybody else in the thread saying otherwise.. I love how you claim anand is intel biased then use them in your defense. This is from the anand review.

"We have praised the Phenom II X3 720BE since its launch and continue to believe it is an excellent value for the money. Some of us on staff are very enthusiastic about it for a variety of reasons. The primary one being this processor’s performance and cost advantage allows you additional flexibility in upgrading other components in your system. If you are on a limited budget as most of us are at this time, the money saved purchasing this processor over the X4 940 or Q9550 can be utilized to procure a higher end video card as an example. For a gamer, this means the ability to step up to an AMD HD 4870 1GB or NVIDIA GTX 260 video card instead of settling for a HD 4850 or GTS 250 without really affecting platform performance compared to the higher end processors.

In the end, it is always a compromise when putting a system together without unlimited funds, especially when the average user will perform a multitude of different tasks on the same system. For the typical gamer, this processor brings a lot to the table from a cost/performance viewpoint. It is every the bit the equal of the Phenom II X4 940 and in most cases the Core 2 Quad Q9550 when paired up with mid-range video cards and monitors. If you fall into the limited funds category, then we highly suggest you give the Phenom II X3 720BE serious consideration when upgrading your next system."

You're proving that you're a AMD fanboy. That is all.
 



Ahhh.
 



I would say no. The 965 starts 400mhz ahead at stock. And doesnt typically overclock 400mhz higher then the Intel. So you will most likely get a higher percentage of a overclock from the Intel with these two cpus.
 
This link has nothing to do with the 8600 but just to show that the core 2 lol you could say at the moment is still better than the phenom 965. Not that this particular link is completely representative of the whole of the qx9770.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?b=50

Wait, and this also proves, that the Intel Core 2 Duo e8600 has a better architecture than the phenom 965, I MEAN FOR DUAL OPTIMISED APPLICATIONS.
But the phenom 965 is 3.4ghz, slightly faster and is a quad core but does worse than the e8600.
 
This is only for air cooling though ?!?! But with the best cooling possible the pII 965 must still overclock more? Also taking into account the Intel with best cooling as well.
 
So i'm being told that the thermalright ultra 120 is better than the Asus Triton 81 fan? Check that out first though. I think i've seen that the price is relatively the same, both of the coolers, does the thermalright ultra come with a fan though at the same price. Is it more effective than the Asus Triton's double fans. Do you agree with me that it is relatively the same price if that is the case i'll get that cooler instead.
 
Just in case the OP survived the thread flamewars 😀, I'd suggest looking at the i5 750 which should be ~$200 or a bit less when available. Also, I suspect AMD will have to drop the price of the 965 to match, so waiting a few weeks could save $45 or more...
 
cool. Price decrease of the PII 965. But how long though. For the I5. Surely it can't be "a couple of weeks". Is there any news about when they will come out. If a 3.6ghz phenom II comes out is there any point in buying it? It's like going back to the single core processor times where intel brought ridiculously highly clocked pentium 4s in to attempt to match the AMD ones.
 


Looks Hemingwayesque. A published author. I will enjoy reading it, can't wait. When I have time. I'm sure it is a bit great work on you're part. Terrific 😉
 
the processor isn't but the architecture unfortunately is. but's that's perfectly fine. I don't think it was as much as the gap when there was pentium and athlon for gaming.
 
Architecture? Man, what the hell is wrong with you people? Core2 has no IMC, no L3 and has an outdated FSB that brings huge latencies and slow memory response. I'd say PII pretty much has superior architecture compared to Core2. Performance is similar, but architecture is miles better. Even Phenom I architecture was better, but not performance. I7 has the best architecture on the consumer market. Period.
 
but then, you can't really compare a quad core with a dual core. The architecture is completely different. But the core 2 duo is better for what it is than the PII 965 is for what it is.
 
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