AMD Phenom II X4 965 vs. Intel core i5-750

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Thanks for the link. But as you stated in this thread yourself your numbers where off. I asked where you got those numbers from. You said from that review. Yet that review doesn't give your numbers. It proves that you that actually just love to make up numbers.

What you did then is say you under estimated your made up numbers that where meant to favor AMD in the first place. Which just proves my point.

 
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Yeah, all of our debates are worthless because most of them are against the famous jennyh benchmark which conclude that Turbo mode is cheating.
 
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What did you not understand about my last post. Because this response has nothing at all to do with what I stated.
 
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You said the review doesn't have numbers...it clearly has a lot of numbers someguy.

Take each benchmark, work out the percentage differences, add them up. So I said 5% faster and 5% slower...maybe its 4% and 4% I dunno - you are the one suggesting my maths is bad why don't you work it out and tell us instead? The numbers are there, you figure it out and tell us what you get.
 
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Random the thing is if you are AMD sympathetic you get pretty tired of reading the same thing over and over and over.

The i5 is not faster than the 965 BE. If the intel fanboys would actually say 'they are both about the same' then I would be quite happy to leave it at that.
 
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Well luckily I'm not AMD sympathetic. I don't understand the need for being sympathetic to a company which has no interest in me unless I plan to part with my money. The same goes for any company, not just AMD. They have lawyers which can fight for sympathy for them.
 
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It also helps when you believe that you are doing the right thing, for whatever reasons.

The 965 BE *is* just as fast if not faster than the i5. Intel are crooked and they *do* buy benchmarks. Just because you aren't sympathetic to AMD doesn't mean you have to defend a rotten company.

I do what is right and I'm happy with my moral choices.
 
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I don't defend rotten companies. Like I said, they have lawyers to do that for them. I'm a consumer, I buy what I need or want and if I don't do my research then that's my problem.

I am not debating whether Intel buys benchmarks, as I have not bothered to read the FTC reports as I honestly don't care about synthetics. I take issue with claims that they buy reviews however, not in defence of Intel, but in defence of the websites. I can not speak much about other websites, but I know more about how this website and the company that owns it runs than anyone else here save for the staff and possibly some of the original moderators (most of whom are gone anyway).
 
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You also don't know for a fact if intel are bribing reviewers do you?

I think you need to be open to the possibility Random - yes even here at THG. I mean how difficult would it be?

Every review has the reviewers name, and no doubt their emails. Now I am *not* accusing anyone in particular of being bought but I am pointing out that it wouldn't exactly be difficult for intel to do it.

They have bought everything else havent they?.

What makes you think website reviewers are any different? How much $$$ would it take you to miss out important bits of info, or make sure your review includes certain intel-friendly benches? If intel can buy whole companies like Dell do you really think they can't buy websites or individual reviewers?
 
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The fact that I know some of the reviewers here aside...

Large websites (I'm going to ignore small ones for now) simply have nothing to gain from taking bribes from Intel, or NVIDIA for that matter as some have suggested this as well. The reviewers are on salaries, they get paid regardless of the results they provide, plus they generally end up with a stockpile of hardware that they didn't pay for. This website in particular is run by a company that receives most, if not all, of its revenue through advertisements. THG is infamous for its overuse of ads but this will never change unless someone else buys them. You need to stop thinking of THG as an entity and instead as a brand. Traffic is everything to BoM. Intel buying reviews does not increase traffic.

Intel does not have enough influence to simply stop sending hardware to major websites if they don't get their way. They need the publicity. In this regard the publications have the balance of power in their favour. At the same time, not having reviews of Intel hardware would significantly reduce content, and therefore traffic, so Intel is not being hung by their entrails by any means.

Intel paying for reviews is about as likely as AMD paying you or MADZone. Possible? Absolutely. Probable? Not at all.
 
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All I'm saying is everybody has a price and intel have very deep pockets.

AMD nut as I am, if intel threw enough money at me I would quickly change my opinion. Who wouldn't?

Intel can afford it, and they have a history of this kind of thing. To me, it is pretty implausible that they are not buying reviews, reviewers and websites too.
 
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I think this pretty much sums up the debate. If you want to save ~$60* go with AMD 955, the performance is so close there is no unbiased reason not to. If you think that the few areas that the i5 excels at is worth that $60* or you just think intel is a better company, buy the i5. My view is that if you are at this level for buying a chip the performance/price wins. If you have extra money and want extra performance go with the i7; it has a clear performance increase over the other 2.

*The $60 is the difference I came up with then building my system with similar motherboards. Yes I do have a bias when it comes to motherboards so you may find cheaper boards that will change this range but I choose companies that I have used and trust.

 
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I don't believe Intel uses money itself to bribe anyone. They use their equipment.

INTEL: "Here's $5,000 worth of equipment including motherboards and a few top-end CPU's for you to review. Take as much time as you need. We've also sent you some suggested (and expensive) benchmarking software which you can have for free. We've also set up some advertisement on your website."

AMD: "Here's $1,000 worth of equipment for you to review. Take as much time as you need."


<sarcasm> It would be really really really hard to see how somebody might be swayed towards bias. <end sarcasm>
 
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I agree, but more so that its a baseless claim. Wheres the proof. In fact alot of the latest THG articles go out of their way to mention they purchase their hardware new from newegg like anyone else. They mainly do this for the conspiracy theorists. Some want to keep painting the picture AMD is the unfairly treated underdog. That Intel is a giant uncaring greedy corporation. Heres some facts about AMD from Senior Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer of AMD.
Note: If they wanted to supply hardware to match anyone I think they could.


Fact #1

The 50 million Wii gaming consoles shipped to date run on AMD processors.
Fact #2

Billions of financial transactions are conducted quickly and efficiently every day by major stock exchanges around the world on AMD processor-based servers.
Fact #3

7 of the 10 fastest supercomputers in the world are powered by AMD processors.


Fact #4

AMD processors were trusted to power crash safety test simulations for almost 2 million new cars that hit the road in the US in 2008.
Fact #5

Realistic special effects powered by AMD technology have helped Hollywood amass more than $5.4 billion in worldwide box office revenue.


Fact #6

AMD processors in the Top500 supercomputer list account for more than 4.029 petaflops of computing power (in English: that’s more than four thousand trillion calculations per second).
Fact #7

50 percent of Internet DNS traffic is efficiently and quickly routed via AMD processor-powered servers.


Fact #8

Musicians and producers who have collectively won 70 Grammy awards currently rely on AMD technology for their cutting-edge digital music production.


Fact #9

Every month nearly 23 million travelers find their ideal trip using online travel services powered by AMD processor-based hardware.

Fact #10

AMD graphics and slot machines are a winning combination. More than 75 percent of new slot machines in Las Vegas use AMD graphics to power their visually stunning imagery, and more than half of those machines also use an AMD CPU.

edit: You know what they say, what happens in Vegas , stays in Vegas.
http://blogs.amd.com/nigeldessau/2009/05/27/amd-innovation-fun-facts/
 
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So when the Athlon64 was king and sites such as Anand, THG and pretty much everyone else (aside from a few obscure sites on the web) showed that the Athlon64 was king and even mocked Intel's Prescott processor... they were paid off by AMD?

So AMD paid off reviewers?

That's your (flawed) logic.
 
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I thought you may want to see this considering every time P II vs i5 is brought up you say that am3 can’t do sli and crossfire. So here are just two of the boards I found. And the one has triple sli.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130236
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130235
 
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You fail to understand. The i5's p55 chipset can do both x-fire and sli on the same board.
 
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