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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

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They do well but the 6970 was severely lagging behind the GTX 570. The Crossfire performance is good at high res, I am selling one off and getting a HD 6990 for trifire goodness, it is cheaper than going with Crossfired 7870's. Its killing my overlay, I am due to get water cooling to so I need to save where I can.

I can also get hold of a Piledriver well before release, but am unsure as to whether the premium is a bit of a gamble.
 
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rekon-uk has successfully overclocked his single 480GTX past a 580GTX, reference clock of 772mhz, 1stOC clock of 797mhz, and 2ndOC clock 822mhz release, I tested my 580GTX against his results and they are accurate.

His results are with stock air cooling, if they were water cooled, like my 580s it would be nice to see what they would do.

Those 480GTX yield some very awesome performance in SLI.



 
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rekon-uk has successfully overclocked his single 480GTX past a 580GTX, reference clock of 772mhz, 1stOC clock of 797mhz, and 2ndOC clock 822mhz release, I tested my 580GTX against his results and they are accurate.

His results are with stock air cooling, if they were water cooled, like my 580s it would be nice to see what they would do.

Those 480GTX yield some very awesome performance in SLI.
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Performance yes, heat yes, power efficiency off the wall.
 
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if someday i want to keep my gpu under 50'c at 1050/1450mhz, then i will need a better cooler, so can i put a different cooler without voiding warrenty.
(ALSO Using third party cooler on cpu will not void warranty, AM I RIGHT?)


because you are cool (liquid nitrogen) 😉

my old board died (i killed 😛 ) just after warranty
 
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Even overclock with stock cooler void the warranty plus how cares the warranty?...at least, warranty isn't important for me. :lol:
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Sorry, had to post it XD

Cheers!
 
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can we say that trinity a10-5800k+7670 (assuming that it will be equal to a8 in price) will be better than i3-2100+7670+7670 (assuming)

as intel will use partly good chips for i3, so there will be less chip per waffer, so intel may charge higher for i3 3rd gen. Also in gaming, igpu will be of no use when dgpu will be there. Also cpu side of ivy is only 5percent better. So maybe i3 3rd will not suite low budget gaming segment, thus i used 2nd gen to compare
 
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My bet, according to everything posted so far, is that the A10 will be in the i5 + GT525M territory (SB or IB, should be close at least performance wise). If you add another discrete card to the A10, it could be stepping in i5/i7 + GT640M/660M territory with the Dual VGA thingy (not XFire, remember that).

It's not too shabby, but Intel still has movement in TDP, plus the software from Lucid. I'm sure in notebooks it will do wonders with a GT640M and the HD4000, maybe getting very far from Trinity at launch.

Some really cool times in mobility ahead of us indeed.

Oh, and BTW... My GF's A8 3500 + 6750 plays BF3 in 1080p (comes with the 1080p display) in medium above 50FPS (no v-sync). It's quite impressive to look at the thing run it looking quite good, lol.

Cheers!
 
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can we say that trinity a10-5800k+7670 (assuming that it will be equal to a8 in price) will be better than i3-2100+7670+7670 (assuming)
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I doubt that. Based on the previous CPU benchmarks Toms did (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html), I simply can't believe the a10 closed the 30% CPU gap the a8 had against the i3 in games.

Secondly, even if I assume hybrid CF is being used, the first config will likely GPU bottleneck first, as I don't believe the APU will be more powerful then a 7670.
 
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I doubt that. Based on the previous CPU benchmarks Toms did (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html), I simply can't believe the a10 closed the 30% CPU gap the a8 had against the i3 in games.

Secondly, even if I assume hybrid CF is being used, the first config will likely GPU bottleneck first, as I don't believe the APU will be more powerful then a 7670.
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Well, the 7670 is just a rebranded 6670 which was already in GT540M territory and according to the benchies from the Taiwanese site, it was sitting a lil' on top of the GT540M.

Cheers!
 
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i think that if drivers and game can use hcfx effectively then it can beat a hd6850 or when overclocked then it may equal to a hd6870.
And cpu side (according to rumors) will be better than phenom 2 x4 980

so it can be like a 980+6850 under 150w and near 200$, viola
 
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My bet, according to everything posted so far, is that the A10 will be in the i5 + GT525M territory (SB or IB, should be close at least performance wise). If you add another discrete card to the A10, it could be stepping in i5/i7 + GT640M/660M territory with the Dual VGA thingy (not XFire, remember that).

It's not too shabby, but Intel still has movement in TDP, plus the software from Lucid. I'm sure in notebooks it will do wonders with a GT640M and the HD4000, maybe getting very far from Trinity at launch.

Some really cool times in mobility ahead of us indeed.
Cheers!
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My question would be is it economically logistic? what would the (potentially/estimated) price of such AMD system be?

We are talking mobile computing, right?

 
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My question would be is it economically logistic? what would the (potentially/estimated) price of such AMD system be?

We are talking mobile computing, right?
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Yep, I'm putting my guesstimates in the mobile area.

Desktop has less TDP contraints than the mobile today... 45W and 35W parts are not that far from each other in terms of power, so they shouldn't be so far away in terms of performance per watt either. IB and SB have this bar quite high though, being IB the one that has to face Trinity in an APU match. With discrete cards, the scenario might favor Intel thanks to Lucid's terrific job with the MVC (which I don't have any idea if it will be available for notebooks TBH, but it should), but without it, I'm guessing in the "all rounder" benchs/tests IB/SB and Trinity should be close from each other.

The CPU from Trinity should be good enough to not be a bottle neck for the GPU and we're good for mobile gaming at least 😛

Cheers!
 
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Yep, I'm putting my guesstimates in the mobile area.

Desktop has less TDP contraints than the mobile today... 45W and 35W parts are not that far from each other in terms of power, so they shouldn't be so far away in terms of performance per watt either. IB and SB have this bar quite high though, being IB the one that has to face Trinity in an APU match. With discrete cards, the scenario might favor Intel thanks to Lucid's terrific job with the MVC (which I don't have any idea if it will be available for notebooks TBH, but it should), but without it, I'm guessing in the "all rounder" benchs/tests IB/SB and Trinity should be close from each other.

The CPU from Trinity should be good enough to not be a bottle neck for the GPU and we're good for mobile gaming at least 😛

Cheers!
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Basically, Trinity may offer a competitive edge against the lower end IB/SB processors?
 
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Basically, Trinity may offer a competitive edge against the lower end IB/SB processors?
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Well, if it manages to be in the same ballpark as the mobile i5 (CPU), it would put it in the middle of Intel's line up. Maybe getting close to an i7 won't be possible in a realistic scenario (CPU wise, off course), but as an APU, they could be trading blows perfectly in different disciplines (gaming, Video and OCL/DC).

The SB mobile i5s are quite good to be honest, so if Trinity manages to get in that league alone, they'll become very good P/P contenders in mobile. Right now, Llano is not on par with the i5s, so they're restricted to slow i3s territory (CPU wise).

Also, hopefully VCE will be available... Hopefully... =/

Cheers!
 
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