AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[ctbaars]

I thought clock per clock was always unimportant externally. It was just something cool to talk about on Boards. Hz is an internal engineering, energy decision.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Please remind me: how much was Intel charging for the competing chips? (So then which company affects price points the most?)

And back at that time the Intel chips were slower clock per clock.

(Of course at that time time the Intel advocates totally opposed doing that type of comparison.)

AMD can easily price their CPUs higher right now but instead they are playing a price/performance game.

But if BD did what it should have, and thats perform better than a Intel Core i7 6 core, it would have easily had higher prices.

To think otherwise is either bias or ignorance.

Intel left the prices of their CPUs higher when they were the lower performer, that was their choice. Overall most people who went Intel still went with the cheaper ones, like the Pentium D 805 that was $150 and overclocked better than a lot of CPUs.

Still my example of the HD7970 stands. The second AMD has a better performing part, they will price it as high as they can. Hell I remember when the 4870X2 came out at $549, same price as just a single HD7970. Or the HD5870X2, $599. The HD7990 will probably be about $1K, in line with the GTX690 depending on performance.

Again, that was all priced that way because the nVidia equivalentg at the time performed better, not because AMD felt the cries of the people but because they wanted to sell more than they would if they priced it the same.

 

[-Fran-]

I don't see why you guys are arguing JS point here... He's totally right.

But, there's only one lil' counter argument here to be noticed. The Pentium EE in its time... It was at an even higher price point, didn't it?

When talking about pure "performance top", it's kind of a moot point. The middle segment is the real battle horse here. In this case, the i5 750, 2500k and i7 860, 920 and 2600k versus AMDs offerings in the same price points.

The only difference is that AMD will step up their prices to Intel's instead of undercutting. At least, in the Athlon era it was somewhat that way. Also, didn't Intel make money on each AMD CPU sold anyway? lol

Cheers!

 

[amdfangirl]

I thought it was "you invented x86, I invented x86-64, lets have a truce"

 

[jimmysmitty]

I don't see why you guys are arguing JS point here... He's totally right.

But, there's only one lil' counter argument here to be noticed. The Pentium EE in its time... It was at an even higher price point, didn't it?

When talking about pure "performance top", it's kind of a moot point. The middle segment is the real battle horse here. In this case, the i5 750, 2500k and i7 860, 920 and 2600k versus AMDs offerings in the same price points.

The only difference is that AMD will step up their prices to Intel's instead of undercutting. At least, in the Athlon era it was somewhat that way. Also, didn't Intel make money on each AMD CPU sold anyway? lol

Cheers!

Intel did. I can't say why, but there were some aspects of the Pentium 4 that were better than the Athlon 64 (very few) and since Intel does have a larger FAB capability I would assume thats why they don't follow AMDs lead.

Thats what I would assume of course but I was just stating a fact about AMD.

Don't get me wrong. My wife is offering me a new GPU for my BDay, a HD7970, and I will take it as its still a good card. But AMD will price accordingly. Intel does as well, since Core 2 it hasn't been that bad to get decent CPUs, only the ePeen crowd goes higher.

I thought it was "you invented x86, I invented x86-64, lets have a truce"

I believe thats what it is at now along with the new cross license agreement where they can share tech. I would find it interesting if Intel ever made a modular CPU for giggles.

 

[king smp]

if you guys have a Microcenter near you the PHII x 4 965BE is $89.99 in store
just a heads up

 

[truegenius]

^are they clearing their stocks?

 

[Arock]

I need a answer that if a mobo based on 880G/850 chipset & have AM3+ socket will support piledriver????

 

[jdwii]

AMD can easily price their CPUs higher right now but instead they are playing a price/performance game.

But if BD did what it should have, and thats perform better than a Intel Core i7 6 core, it would have easily had higher prices.

To think otherwise is either bias or ignorance.

Intel left the prices of their CPUs higher when they were the lower performer, that was their choice. Overall most people who went Intel still went with the cheaper ones, like the Pentium D 805 that was $150 and overclocked better than a lot of CPUs.

Still my example of the HD7970 stands. The second AMD has a better performing part, they will price it as high as they can. Hell I remember when the 4870X2 came out at $549, same price as just a single HD7970. Or the HD5870X2, $599. The HD7990 will probably be about $1K, in line with the GTX690 depending on performance.

Again, that was all priced that way because the nVidia equivalentg at the time performed better, not because AMD felt the cries of the people but because they wanted to sell more than they would if they priced it the same.

I was right when i said Nvidia will smack Amd this gen to bad they just can't get the cards out the door hell Nvidia will still be on the 600 series when Amd is on the 8000 HD series. I'm pretty sure the 7990 will cost 799.99$-899.99$, Amd has had the fastest video card(Dual not single) for 2 generations But now Nvidia has their TDP under control(even better then Amd) Which means they will have no issue clocking their cards were they need to be even if Amd could release a 7990 with a 1Ghz Clock they would still lose on TDP/Heat and of course Performance when compared to the 690.

When talking about pure "performance top", it's kind of a moot point. The middle segment is the real battle horse here. In this case, the i5 750, 2500k and i7 860, 920 and 2600k versus AMDs offerings in the same price points.

True and not True when you have a high-end product that's better then your competitors product you control the prices. How you ask? Well lets say Amd did make the 8150 almost as fast as the sandy 6 core and they priced it at 799.99$ When Intel had their processor priced at 999.99$ Well why didn't Amd just price their processor more ? Now lets say that same day Intel came out and said we are going to price are 6 core at 499.99$ Well then Amd would have to come back and lower prices.

This is the reason why its best to control the high-end market because what's high-end today will be mid-range tomorrow!

 

[earl45]

well I didn't miss ya that's for sure.

LIAR

 

[earl45]

Well duhh, i have to listen to you on steam :lol:

What games do you and mal play on steam?

 

[earl45]

Umm

None together..
I own steams whole library almost 😀

ID: Recon-UK

I sent you and mal an invite.

 

[viridiancrystal]

Sent out invites too. from Viridiancrystal. Open to invitations too

 

[dogman_1234]

Gahck! You guys! Conspiring to talk behind our backs. I bet nothin' good 'bout ol' dogman I assume!

 

[dogman_1234]

who...

You know who Mal! Talkin' 'bout me b'ind my back 'n all!

 

[amdfangirl]

I hope nobody adds me on steam.

Or rather adds me hoping that I would be their friend and join them ingame.

They'd be adding the world's greatest chatterbox. :3

 

[-Fran-]

I love chatting 8)

Cheers! 😛

 

[king smp]

went looking for news on AMD
NOTHING

but this was an interesting read discussing discrete vs IGP

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/05/12/the-case-for-and-against-discrete-graphics-cards/2/

quote-
Currently, the HD 4000 GPU that’s packed into the Intel’s high-end Ivy Bridge CPUs offers about the same gaming performance as a dedicated NVIDIA GT 220, a GPU released as far back as 2008/9. Interestingly, NVIDIA’s aging 8800 GTX, released back in 2006 can trump the HD 4000 in most game benchmarks.

also quote

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim was released on the PC with the same standard-definition textures pack as found on the Xbox 360 version, while games like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 lock the field of view — FoV — to that of the console version. Locking down the FoV to a narrow setting decreases the amount of pixels the GPU has to push to the screen. On an aging console this is a good thing, but on a PC with a modern GPU this is both unnecessary and a bad thing as it can cause motion sickness in players.


and quote again

The first reason is that powerful discrete graphics solutions are nowhere near as expensive as they were a few years ago. You can go out and pay $99 retail for a graphics card that will do an awesome job of handling modern games. You’re not going to be able to push graphical quality on a modern title as hard as you could if you’d spent $250 or $500, but you’ll still get a great gaming experience at a budget price



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[jimmysmitty]

went looking for news on AMD
NOTHING

but this was an interesting read discussing discrete vs IGP

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/05/12/the-case-for-and-against-discrete-graphics-cards/2/

quote-
Currently, the HD 4000 GPU that’s packed into the Intel’s high-end Ivy Bridge CPUs offers about the same gaming performance as a dedicated NVIDIA GT 220, a GPU released as far back as 2008/9. Interestingly, NVIDIA’s aging 8800 GTX, released back in 2006 can trump the HD 4000 in most game benchmarks.

also quote

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim was released on the PC with the same standard-definition textures pack as found on the Xbox 360 version, while games like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 lock the field of view — FoV — to that of the console version. Locking down the FoV to a narrow setting decreases the amount of pixels the GPU has to push to the screen. On an aging console this is a good thing, but on a PC with a modern GPU this is both unnecessary and a bad thing as it can cause motion sickness in players.


and quote again

The first reason is that powerful discrete graphics solutions are nowhere near as expensive as they were a few years ago. You can go out and pay $99 retail for a graphics card that will do an awesome job of handling modern games. You’re not going to be able to push graphical quality on a modern title as hard as you could if you’d spent $250 or $500, but you’ll still get a great gaming experience at a budget price



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And I am sure a 7800GTX or a X1900/HD2900 would still beat a HD4000. The older high end GPUs were high end for a reason, they had what it takes to push games. My HD5870 is holding up very well considering its age (3 years old now) as it still is almost as good as a HD6950.

We know most games are very console bound, except some like Batman AC or the upcoming MP3.

 

[viridiancrystal]

And I am sure a 7800GTX or a X1900/HD2900 would still beat a HD4000. The older high end GPUs were high end for a reason, they had what it takes to push games. My HD5870 is holding up very well considering its age (3 years old now) as it still is almost as good as a HD6950.

So while you may not have a high-end card anymore, it still matches up to a mid-range card, like my 7850, which is still plenty of power to play most anything today.
Like what others have mentioned before, if you can compete in the high-end, you have a trickle down effect. The old high-end becomes lower down, and all you need to do is push even better for your new flagship.

 

[truegenius]

may 15
2 days from now

 

[amdfangirl]

Oh brill,

That's when I have my maths test. 😀

 

[dogman_1234]

never would I do that..
😉

Na...BS!

Mal: I can't seem to get a Mod to rid the forum of dog!
P2: why?
Mal: Kuz, hez annoying!
P2: why exactly?
Mal...you know...
P2: OH!

😉

 

[jdwii]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120405175642_AMD_to_Formally_Announce_Trinity_Fusion_APUs_for_Notebooks_on_May_15.html

The APU will feature up to four x86 cores powered by enhanced Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture, AMD Radeon HD 7000-series "Southern Islands" graphics core with DirectX 11-class graphics support, DDR3 memory controller and other improvements.

Is it gonna be GCN or Northern Islands.......?

Oh and one more thing,

AMD's current plans, points to May 15 as the formal introduction date of Trinity

My favorite quote is this

According to performance benchmarks conducted by AMD, the Trinity 35W APU with Piledriver-class x86 cores will provide 25% better x86 performance compared to Llano 35W (with K10.5+ "Husky" x86 cores) based on results obtained in PC Mark Vantage Productivity benchmark. AMD also claims that Trinity 35W will offer up to 50% better result in 3D Mark Vantage performance benchmark compared to Llano 35W.

Love how Amd is! "Up to" statements! LOL

May 15 will probably be the day i can't wait to read the review and see how much of a Improvement Trinity !really! is over Llano.

Why can't Amd test their CPU on like 50+ apps that people most commonly use and create a average statement not none of this up to crap!

 

[saint19]

My favorite quote is this

According to performance benchmarks conducted by AMD, the Trinity 35W APU with Piledriver-class x86 cores will provide 25% better x86 performance compared to Llano 35W (with K10.5+ "Husky" x86 cores) based on results obtained in PC Mark Vantage Productivity benchmark. AMD also claims that Trinity 35W will offer up to 50% better result in 3D Mark Vantage performance benchmark compared to Llano 35W.

Love how Amd is! "Up to" statements! LOL

May 15 will probably be the day i can't wait to read the review and see how much of a Improvement Trinity !really! is over Llano.

Why can't Amd test their CPU on like 50+ apps that people most commonly use and create a average statement not none of this up to crap!

I'd think in many reason, the main one, because a normal user using an APU will never load the rig as 3DMark does....