AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

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Flash crashes my Firefox fairly regularly, but still, I exclusively use it. Mozilla is the only one I trust, they don't have any ulterior motives in giving me a free web browser. Everyone else wants to mine my personal information...

 
That's why I'm iffy about it. :)

I was thinking of saving up for a Skylake/Skymont CPU.

😀

Nah, just wait on a Steamroller, get the highend CPU and high end GPU for the price of one. Considering the Zambezi's stock idle and load temps and consumption is rather low, certainly the temps are well lower than a Sandybridge, it is difficult to see where the issue is power consumption with AMD. Also consider that a 8core Zambezi litterally halved the consumption from Thuban.

At the end of the day, power consumption is maybe #5 on the list of what is needed.

And going to Intel.......cuts like a knife. 🙁
 
Flash crashes my Firefox fairly regularly, but still, I exclusively use it. Mozilla is the only one I trust, they don't have any ulterior motives in giving me a free web browser. Everyone else wants to mine my personal information...


I don't care about Google knowing my crap i care about a Fast browser that's works and chrome never messes up on me, i hate Firefox because back in the day i found it to be just as slow as IE. Back 2 years ago i used to use Opera browser(so light!) but now its chrome only except when i need to use IE for my Labs at school, which is slower then crap and that's IE 8 not to mention everything looks worse on IE such as text.
 
I don't care about Google knowing my crap i care about a Fast browser that's works and chrome never messes up on me, i hate Firefox because back in the day i found it to be just as slow as IE. Back 2 years ago i used to use Opera browser(so light!) but now its chrome only except when i need to use IE for my Labs at school, which is slower then crap and that's IE 8 not to mention everything looks worse on IE such as text.


give IE9-64bit a chance
I use FF and IE9 and plan to load Chrome and give a try
no reason you cant use more than one browser on the same machine
 
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120405175642_AMD_to_Formally_Announce_Trinity_Fusion_APUs_for_Notebooks_on_May_15.html

The APU will feature up to four x86 cores powered by enhanced Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture, AMD Radeon HD 7000-series "Southern Islands" graphics core with DirectX 11-class graphics support, DDR3 memory controller and other improvements.

Is it gonna be GCN or Northern Islands.......?

Oh and one more thing,

AMD's current plans, points to May 15 as the formal introduction date of Trinity

From what I have heard, its a HD6000 VLIW4, not GCN unless AMD somehow changed it last minute before they started FABing it but then again it would be delayed.

The current Llano is VLIW5 but carries a HD6K moniker.

They should use real games and real apps to test their new CPU's/GPU's. But I've always hated synthetic benchmarks they always make things seem better then what they are. I'm a little more interested on their power consumption remark how did they get this statement. Under normal browsing(Word,power point) or watching videos/gaming or maybe just a very LONG idle.

But using real games and apps to test wont show their performance gains they want to show. Plus its easier to show improvements with synthetic benchmarks.

I do also hate cherry picking (like how AMD used tests vs the 2600K where the FX-8150 shined and then others where it beat the i7-970). Its annoying.

Im hearing 11% IPC with better clocks, and the IGP is good.
Thats what Ive heard, dont quote me, but sounds reasonable

So the 11% comes from better clocks but not actual per clock IPC increases? That sounds ok to me. Nice to hear a possible IPC increase but I would prefer it be per clock and per core so that any extra MHz IPC is just icing on the cake.

Hmm maybe I should dig out some of my more vintage cards like my x1900xt or 7900gtx duo (massive card) but hte 1900xt has no modern driver support 🙁

Got a Diamond Monster 3D for those who know what card that is :sol:

You should. But you are right. 10.2 is the last one for the X1900 but thats ok as that was the last driver that probably would have increased performance.

Nah, just wait on a Steamroller, get the highend CPU and high end GPU for the price of one. Considering the Zambezi's stock idle and load temps and consumption is rather low, certainly the temps are well lower than a Sandybridge, it is difficult to see where the issue is power consumption with AMD. Also consider that a 8core Zambezi litterally halved the consumption from Thuban.

At the end of the day, power consumption is maybe #5 on the list of what is needed.

And going to Intel.......cuts like a knife. 🙁

Zambezis stock power consumption is still higher than a 2600K from Intel and if you knew AFG, you would know she likes low power. If anything she would get the lowest TDP CPU then undervolt the crap out of it to have an even lower power consuption CPU.

Temps are one thing, power consompution is another. A 2600K will stay at under 50c when running normal loads (mine does about 55-60c but thats overclocked to 4.5GHz) and idle around 30-35c. BD is about the same at stock and still doesn't perform as well. Well lower would be 10-20c lower under load.

The major power consumption issue with AMD is that most enthusiasts like to overclock, and AMD has been marketing overclocking to the more budget oriented enthusiasts. Well, BD has major jumps in power usage. At 4.8GHz it uses more power than a 2600K at 5GHz on the same process size. Then again, Intel is on their second gen HK/MG as well as has had time to mature 32nm while AMD has no hand in it and cannot control it.

Here are some leaked Trinity benchmarks: http://amdfx.blogspot.com/2012/05/more-trinity-benchmarks-43-better.html

For the 4M/8T FX 8350, I estimate @ 5.1 Ghz it will match Ivy Bridge i5 3570k single core performance @ 4.3 Ghz. But will scale roughly 85% higher when all threads are used.

While I don't trust this guys numbers, he isn't really anyone with a reputation, if this were true its no big feat for PD. Thats a 800MHz clock speed difference. I doubt PD at 5.1GHz will use less power than IB at 4.3GHz meaning it uses more power to perform the same task.

That aside, his scaling seems a bit high. PD will use the same idea from BD so unless the app is super highly threaded (and efficient at that) I doubt it will scale that well.

I guess time will tell, an price is going to be very important with the performance. Once we start seeing price leaks we will be able to estimate the performance and when we get a final price we can pin it more closley.
 
Here are some leaked Trinity benchmarks: http://amdfx.blogspot.com/2012/05/more-trinity-benchmarks-43-better.html

Grain of salt as usual, but it seems that the IPC is finally just a tad higher than Deneb/Thuban Phenoms.

That's very good news for everyone (competition). At least, so far. Let's see how reality strikes once the benchmarks start rolling out.

Cheers!
 
The IPC seems better, and cherry picked of course it does.
But many things are changed here.
Power usage will be good, IPC up over BD and Husky, and clocks better, with better seperation between IGP and CPU in power usage, allowing for a wider usage and savings, depending on user.
It looks so far just slightly better than they said it would after Llanos release
 
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trinity-a10-4600m-apu-review-jumping-the-shark-/15830.html

Thats not very encouraging. Not at all, if its actually accurate. Nor is the Anandtech. Anandtech got up to 30% faster on the IGP, not quite the 56% faster from the synthetics.

Even the HD4000 keeps up and sometimes beats it in some areas while losing in others. Graphics wise, it looks like IB and Trinity are tied. Yet in CPU, IB is faster even with just two cores and SMT.

I am sure it will be better on desktop, it will have a higher TDP. But in the notebook market, very important, its hard to justify this over IB when THGs IB performance numbers show a great improvement over SB.
 
I think it depends on the game, as far as gaming goes.
IV comes close in a few, loses badly in most.
Its what to be expected.
Power wise, it again closes the gap, as well as cpu wise.
Definately a step in the right direction, and pricing, it allows them some leeway
 
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trinity-a10-4600m-apu-review-jumping-the-shark-/15830.html

Extremely biased review, I want to know what their doing on their text platform.

I run my own CB 11.5 bench's and posted then earlier, no way that chip is doing 1.99 on CPU unless they played with it somehow.

After seeing that I immediately discounted everything else they said. Something is wrong with that box.

For the record this isn't me cheering one company or booing another, it's me noticing something inconsistent and given the wording they used it leads me to believe their doing a "first!!" to generate traffic. I'll wait for Toms to get their hands on it and give me so straight answers.
 
I think it depends on the game, as far as gaming goes.
IV comes close in a few, loses badly in most.
Its what to be expected.
Power wise, it again closes the gap, as well as cpu wise.
Definately a step in the right direction, and pricing, it allows them some leeway

The one you linked shows 20-25% in favor of IB, using a dual core with SMT clocked lower (2.4GHz vs 2.3GHz with 3.8GHz being max and top end IB mobile is 2.9Ghz quad core with turbo to 3.8GHz). Anandtech showed overall the CPU is still weaker than IB.

The GPU was not what I expected at all. I expected it to plow HD4K, not just slide by (IB did win some games by a decent amount).

I expected Trinity to be much stronger in the GPU side due to AMDs advantage of doing GPUs much longer. But its not.

Plus add that the CPU for IB was emulated to be the 17w (half the 35w TDP of Trinity) Ultra Book CPU and not a 35w IB it doesn't look good as that extra TDP can add a lot to the CPU side which may help in games since at the normal laptop resolutions, the CPU will do more work than the GPU itself.

That said, I do expect desktop trinity to do better since it will be going from a 35w TDP to 100W (unless they stay lower) which will give them room for the IGP to be clocked higher.


With PD rumored to be out around Q3 and then we don't know when the next AMD CPU/APU comes out, how long will AMD be able to hold out with minor increases in performance? Intel doesn't seem to be standing still and if they improve their 22nm by Haswell and all the rumored specs are true, then whats going to keep AMD from losing more money?

What I want to see is AMD firing on all cylinders not just moving slowly. In the tech world, you can't play the tortise and the hare. It doesn't work that way. Look how fast the smartphone CPU/GPU market goes. Every 6 months a new, faster and better CPU/GPU come out.

AMD needs to kick it into high gear and try to compete again.
 
Extremely biased review, I want to know what their doing on their text platform.

I run my own CB 11.5 bench's and posted then earlier, no way that chip is doing 1.99 on CPU unless they played with it somehow.

After seeing that I immediately discounted everything else they said. Something is wrong with that box.

For the record this isn't me cheering one company or booing another, it's me noticing something inconsistent and given the wording they used it leads me to believe their doing a "first!!" to generate traffic. I'll wait for Toms to get their hands on it and give me so straight answers.
I agree, it was the first one up, so I posted it.
 
Extremely biased review, I want to know what their doing on their text platform.

I run my own CB 11.5 bench's and posted then earlier, no way that chip is doing 1.99 on CPU unless they played with it somehow.

After seeing that I immediately discounted everything else they said. Something is wrong with that box.

For the record this isn't me cheering one company or booing another, it's me noticing something inconsistent and given the wording they used it leads me to believe their doing a "first!!" to generate traffic. I'll wait for Toms to get their hands on it and give me so straight answers.

Anandtech got 2.05 for Cinebench multithreaded, a .04 variance which could be due to any number of factors.

I also want to see what THG gets, but do they actually use Cinebench? Not sure they do since their IB mobile benchmark didn't have it.
 
Looking over ... I think they played with the turbo boost more then anything. If TB was disabled on the AMD chip then it would of been stuck at 2.3 regardless, enabled and the Intel chips would of hit 2.8 and 3.9 respectively. They mentioned down-clocking but didn't say anything on how the TB was set to.

Also 1.99 multicore (they didn't list single core nor the multiplier) on CB11.5 is pathetic. The 3530MX firing at 1.9Ghz x 4 gets higher then that, even at 1.7 it gets better then that. The 3550MX I've pushed to 2.7 x 4 and got really nice numbers, although I doubt it could sustain 2.7 x 4 with the GPU firing on full. I know it can sustain 3.0Ghz on a single core with the other three at 800 and the GPU firing on full.

Also no way in hell the HD4 got near the APU's graphics unless something very very bad was going in with the system memory. I'm also suspecting foul play there, BD's IMC was bad, but that that bad, their saying Trinity is worse then BD basically.
 
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