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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

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Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

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thats exactly what AMD is doing. They are barely keeping afloat. and they are sinking faster.
 
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so much doomsaying. :)
amd has hit bottom before. lets hope they will rise again.

first, they want to spread hsa as widely as they can. i think they're waiting till ddr4 goes mainstream while they finish tweaking gddr6 standard. they're also betting (in a big way) on adoption of windows 8.

@jdwii: "real enthusiasts/gamers don't care about power consumption" or "resale value" and "power costs nothing where i live" and "i don't care about power consumption" 😗

edit: when the stars (not the cpu architecture) align, amd will rise up and walk the earth...up to 15% faster speed.....
mwahahahahaha
 
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At $2.50 per month if the system is left on 24/7 and stress tested 8 hrs a day, that AMD cpu is going to cost more than ivy bridge in one day.

😱

Oh wait, I used Intel math, in RL math thats 40 months to make up for the $100 cpu cost.
 
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So after all the debate and discuss about how awesome Intel IS and shitty Bulldozer IS....

Where are the news about Piledriver? something that we may want to know about releases or prices.... As many people I am interested about Piledriver because i gotta decide what my christmas will be, a new AMD CPU+GPU or Intel+Mobo combo 😛
 
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It's probably a bit hard to isolate power consumption numbers in order to accurately reflect the CPU part alone. But I must say that I've gone from 24/7 usage -- more like 20/6, actually -- to the conventional "power on as needed," and now I'm spending 30$ instead of 75$. Obviously, this depends on local factors, but people should not underestimate the costs of having a PC always on. If for whatever reason you need to leave it on for most of the time, you should choose your parts very carefully.
 
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They are doing OK and certainly aren't sinking faster. It seems that people don't remember the early Agena days and the almost null stock price.
 
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jkhoward: I read the article you posted as a link.Here are the results.
Passmark 7 (x64)

EIGHT CORE SCORE @ 4.5GHz
Multi-threaded CPU: 10,567
RAM: 1,487

Single Threaded CPU: 1,320

QUAD CORE SCORE @ 4.5GHz
Multi-threaded CPU: 6,269
RAM: 1,483

Single Threaded CPU: 1,567

Sure the single Threaded CPU mark jumps but the multi threaded CPU result plummets from 10, 567 to 6,269. Why buy an 8 core cpu and shut off 4 "cores" to achieve a higher single threaded score at the expense of a much lower multi threaded score?

I own 2 Intel 2500k rigs OC to 4.5 Ghz and just bought a Bulldozer 8150 to play with in my Asus Sabertooth 990FX rig. First thing I noticed is it really needs good cooling to OC. (I'm waiting on a new case and a Corsair H100). Right now I have it OC'd to 4.2 Ghz on all 8 cores as a trade off while I await upgrades to cooling.

I'm smart enough to know it won't beat my OC'd 2500ks on single threaded apps even OC'd but my goal is to OC enough that its close on single apps but has the multi thread power also.

The article you refer to seems to defeat the purpose of the 8 core chip just to achieve a better single threaded score. By disabling cores in the BIOS they aren't available unless you go back into the BIOS to reactivate them.

BTW even at 4.2 Ghz the Bulldozer has very smooth game play. Since this is a PileDriver thread, I think that AMD will release a chip with a combination of smaller tweaks at a base clock of 4 Ghz and market it as the first 8 core 4 GHz chip.
 
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so because of some past history, you conclude that AMD is not in financial trouble now?
And they are sinking faster, or atleast alienating the PC builders. Its server presence is not too good, too. Its professional and workstation line is not good too. Its consumer GPU's are steadily getting price-cuts, though they make some profit. It is 1 full node behind Intel, with no future plan to catch up. They are basically betting on HSA, which may or may not take off. And its not in trouble ? :pfff:
 
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I read the front-page article on HSA and it seems the idea is to let the APU decide how to process the instructions. So subtasks that run better using the GPU's parallel structure would be directed there (sorta like FPU instructions) and those that are pretty serial in nature would be directed to the CPU I guess :). Seems like a good idea and hopefully Intel will wind up using something similar.

Would like to see what Intel does with that FPGA technology they've been investing in (and fabbing for external customers as well).
 
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Show me exactly how they are sinking. Are they shutting off entire divisions? Are they stopping production? Are the stocks losing 50% of value in a quarter? Simple fact that they don't make fastest CPU's alone does not mean they are sinking. Their GPU and APU divisions, like I mentioned, steadily hold their market. Consoles' chips will bring in more money. As a company, they dont "just" stay afloat.
 
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About 15 or maybe 20 years ago I inquired about buying a cheap LN2 generator for my astronomy club at the time (multiple-hour CCD exposures of faint objects works best if you minimize the dark noise by cooling the CCD down to LN2 temps). Cheapest one I could find was $35K and IIRC it produced 11 gallons of LN2 every 24 hours. Of course, that was using compressed & purified nitrogen gas supplied to the input of the compressor/liquifier :).. You do not want to run the risk of getting LOX mixed in with your LN2, as it has a higher boiling point than LN2 and could cause an explosion should its concentration get too high in an enclosed environment like an imager, let alone inside the Schmidt-Cassegrain or Maksutov-Cassegrain telescopes 😛

I figure buying all the equipment necessary for making LN2 from atmospheric gas (i.e., ordinary air) would be over $40K back then or probably $80K in today's dollars, although I haven't checked.

Of course you could buy a Dewar anywhere from about 1 gallon size for $300 to 20 gallon size for $900, then lug it back and forth to your friendly local liquified gas producer located 50+ miles away or so 😀.. That's what some of the club members did and it was something of a hassle to make sure they had sufficent LN2 for a weekend star party.

Needless to say, most club members were satisfied using Peltier-effect TECs that could run off their car batteries for less than 1% of the cost 😛.. And a good set of jumper cables should they forget to charge up the ol' battery once in a while..
 
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On May 29 AMD stock was $6.46 and today it's $3.88, which is a decline of about 40% - pretty close to that 50% in a bit less than a quarter (by 2 days).

AMD had to sell more senior notes at 7.5% interest to pay off the senior notes now due at something like 6% interest, which is akin to using a higher-interest credit card to paying off a lower-interest credit card, which is generally a pretty bad financial practice at least for consumers. People who do that are generally one paycheck away from bankruptcy..
 
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Don't worry as soon AMD actually releases some info on the piledriver (not some fanboy blog -_- ) then this tread will be like a hamster on coffee :lol:


Anyway i can't wait to see if the piledriver will win or fail in October 😀
 
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True but i'm pretty sure i heard over and over again that gamers/enthusiasts are only like 5% or less of the general public if i was wrong about performance/ per watt on the server side of things Amd would have more money. On the server side Performance/ per watt is the most important.




SERVER!!!




Thank you now think about how much money it costs to run a server after you save what 200$ from buying Amd its almost like my current hughesnet crap sure i leased it but at the end i'm paying more for the lease option then i am for buying it all now and its the same when comparing the Amd server to the Intel mid level server.




http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:AMD

being worth 1/4 of what Arm is worth is quite sad and being worth 1/3 of Nvidia is sad as well. And to think just a year ago their stock was close to 7$ and their market cap was worth almost 6B. To be fair i took a look at Intel's stock and Nvidia's as well as arm. Arm/Nvidia stock's kinda remained flat from last year and Intel saw a small increase. Something is not right and the sign of getting rid of so many people wasn't good.



This is true, when it comes to facts some people are blind. The main reason why products start to go down the drain is because consumers let it happen or are blind to it.
 
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It makes sense for AMD to go ahead and release PD - they already have the development work done and need to recoup the expense. However this does nothing to refute the Steamroller and later being discontinued rumor.

As for the price drops, that makes sense in order to clear out the warehouses prior to PD.

But that ain't gonna help AMD's financials this quarter, although certainly better than having unsold inventory in the warehouses..
 
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I understand. The 8150 can be snagged for @$170 and I did that so I could play around with it myself and compare it to the Intel 2500k. Once I get the new case and cooling setup I'm going to put it through its paces.
 
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Almost guaranteed a win against Bulldozer. The questions is will the 8350 close the gap with the I7 2600k/2700k/3770k? We appear to know that the 8350 will have a base clock of 4 Ghz (great for the AMD Marketing Department) and a turbo clock of 4.2 Ghz.
 
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Is the "Steamroller and later being discontinued" rumor the one that says that there won't be an AMD CPU for the performance segment after Piledriver?
 
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Well, I think the lowest stock value ever was $1.82, in November 2008. To lose roughly 40% in a bit less than a quarter is not a good thing, but the stock market certainly isn't the place wherein you'll find definite proofs of a company being healthy or unhealthy -- it's just a single part of the equation. Intel stock falls short of being a performer, and Microsoft, for instance, has been a disappointment for almost 10 years; but still, Microsoft arguably has its strongest portfolio ever and many record results, despite the challenges ahead. AMD isn't in a Microsoft-like position, that's for sure; but it's doing a lot better in all departments than it did in the very recent past.

The senior notes part seems quite worrisome, but I don't understand it well enough to comment any further.

Still, an other outlook is that the new management is shaking things up and seems to bring a lot of fresh air into the headquarters. If many people who were deemed key to the company have left, many big names -- including the CEO -- have come from a much more comfortable position in the industry and accepted the challenge.
 
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I am not sure if you saw my thread about overclocking the FX-8150.. but if you are going to be playing around with it check it out and let me know the results! 😛
 
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