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We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

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If we are on the car analogy, AMD produce a nascar/NHRA like chip has limited strengths but in general is not a bad machine and fast. Intel will be more like Formula one the pinnical of motorsport and excellence of automotive technology.

Again the approach is different, AMD making strides towards the inevitable future that is CPU-GPU interface, a future that will start to take root from next year, HSA is the promised land. Another gripe that I have is if AMD knew OpenCL and MP was early why persist with heavy laden integer operations when it was acceptible trite that FP operations would suffer because of it, similarly why persist with it in PD when Steamroller is less than 8 months after PD, my only guess was that AMD didn't anticipate or expect as much of a fall off in single threaded executions.

If there is a silverlining it is in the notion that Intel cannot give actual real world difference, the real difference is nano seconds or seconds which is not going to drastically change an industry, this is a unavoidable reality. Apart from a mere handful and counting on three fingers every other game title is within margin of error, that suggest that the need to spend 70 or 150 dollars is rather redundant.

On the previous page a user mentioned Intel trying to secure a deal with nvidia to further iGPU performance, the last time Nvidia did that they got burned so I doubt Nvidia will want to risk its autonomy for intels gains again, to add to that with AMD and Nvidia mutually co-existing there is no need for either to allow intel access to a market they exclusively dominate.
 
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If you already have kids, I'm sure you will take a Van or a Sedan over a Ferrari. ^

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I've upgraded from Athlon II X2 245 to i3-2120, I've only noticed difference in Gaming. In Internet Browsing, I don't see any difference.

I'll consider Gaming as Racing and Internet Browsing is just a normal day driving around.

But i'm sure if a slap an SSD things might change. Especially boot time.
 
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Compared a Athlon64 to Athlon II's, To Phenom II's to FX, comparing encoding times, obviously the difference in time from Athlon to Zambezi is extremely noticeable, that said Intel are nowhere near that performance differential with AMD so its very moot, hence why when building build to a budget and each player has factors making it better or worse in a set of circumstances.

The difference from a C2Q Q6600 to 2500 is very noticeable in gaming, BF3 struggles with newer graphics cards barely pushing mid 30's - 40's, the 2500 can easily do mid 80's with a good helping of eyecandy, now yes that is significant in number but you can argue that 40FPS is enough. There is a parity in performance that needs be reached. I pull my hair out at FPS pushers that buy 680's and run no stressing and claim 120FPS on Ultra, it means nothing when image quality is crap and really why buy something to not use its capacity.
 
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Could anyone tell me if I built a computer using one of the new Piledriver chips, and paired it with a dedicated graphics card, if their graphics processing power would be combined, or would it just use one or the other? Thanks!
 
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Well there is a move towards HSA with OpenCL and MP becoming prevelent but nothing fully fledged just yet, obviously its progressing to points where programs/applications will integrate the CPU-GPU interface but as said this is still in its infancy.
 
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If you mean the Trinity APU's, yes, you definitely can crossfire them with discrete AMD Radeon cards. However, not all models work, only some models in the HD7xxx series work IIRC. Google around a bit, you'll easily find a list of supported graphics cards:)

If you mean AMD's Vishera chips, sorry, they don't have an iGPU on them.
 
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Well that depends doesn't it ??

Here in Europe V8 are utter crap, gas is too damn high to have one of those babys running outside the garage


And yes Intel is like F1 and AMD more like DTM, but still they should compare chips within the same category, also is "unjust" to compare i3 vs A10 in gaming with their iGPU, again is like a F1 runnnig against a focus in the WRC, F1 = utter crap


They should test everyday performance and pair that i3 with some crappy GPU to see if it holds it's ground against A10
 
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The thing is that would go against a APU you can only do a Price/Performance review not give a I3 a 6670 and not a A10 although their priced the same. I want to see how a A10 does in crossfire hopefully better than Llano did.
 
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I will like to see both A10 and i3 with a 6670 see how they perform in a more just competition, we all know Intel iGPU are crap so no need to compare again and again, at least not until haswell arrives with it's new iGPU, that still will be crap but not as crappier as HD4000
 
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Well, not quite. The i3 is an APU, whether Intel wants to call it that or not. It has shared resources with the CPU (AFAIK), it supports OGL and OCL (to some extent) and they output video on their own. An APU. Comparing any Intel CPU to AMD's APUs is valid in my book.

Just like there are different car types, sizes and such, you must have in mind they all have wheels, an engine where they get their power and a certain degree of comfort. Companies make them with targets in mind and we all agree on that. In this case, Intel is trying to market the "CPU powaa" of their line, cause that's their strong point (we can all argue why is that all day long, but at the end, it is that way). AMD is trying to market the "iGPU powaa" of their line cause of the same way we all want to show our good side all the time, haha.

I'd take an I4 2.4L MIVEC Mitsu engine over any other type out there, cause it has a great balance of power and economy. I'd take an EVO VI chassis over every other, because it's a sedan and you can actually have fun and do daily stuff in it; besides it's the best looking IMO, haha. And I'd take Nissan's AWD system (don't remember the name of it) or maybe Audi's Quattro; both are great IMO.

Trinity needs to be put in more trials. We need to see how it handles in most scenarios and then pass judgement.

Cheers!
 
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it won't be a contest if gfx power is compared.
a10 (e.g. 5800k) apu can 'dual graphics' with radeon 6670 and increase it's gfx lead over i3 with best igpu e.g. core i3 3225 (hd4000). core i3 can't 'dual gfx' with radeon cards, unfortunately... :)
one can do little 'benchmark engineering' and pit a core i3 with a radeon 7850 assisted by lucidlogix virtu vs an a10 5800k + radeon hd 6670... 😛
according to the rumors, haswell gt3 i.e. the igpu configuration that has most amd fanboys worried, won't be coming to desktops. dt will top out with gt2. seems like intel won't even use gt3 to increase igpu performance. their main use will be to save battery power in mobile devices. intel might change their mind and launch few haswell cpus with gt3 - that is not certain until haswell actually comes out or intel officially announces something.
 
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But again, heres the problem (at least for games): You want to offload MORE work to the GPU?

Nevermind most developers aren't going to learn X86, SSE, AVX, OpenMP, OpenCL, CUDA, etc. If the compilers can't do these on their own, you aren't going to see these technologies take over except in VERY limited situations.
 
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Well, since we already know the i3 is more powerful CPU wise in gaming (from benchmarks using top GPU's), one can conclude that using a 6670, you will either be a CPU bottleneck (i3 will be faster), or GPU bottlenecked (similar/the same FPS).
 
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Hence why Intel fanboys want to test it :/

Its simple people a I3 with a 6670 would be unfair to test and a A10 with a 6670 and a I3 without one would be just as unfair.

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But if they both have a 6670 then that is fair!
 
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Its why I say its still to early, but that is not going to stop AMD pushing it, reason....things are progressive not regressive and this is big step in computing. Well developers are not attest to this, but its to early to be completely viable but nevertheless HSA is an impending reality.

AMD don't envisage full HSA until after excavator.
 
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i3s are in the price range of Trinity, but what I've been seeing from budget builders is that they're opting for very cheap Pentiums and going discrete.

But I think that comes from Intel fanboy syndrome. Recommend something more expensive than the AMD which is obviously better, and then say AMD sucks.

By the time you buy a Pentium G850, you're left with $50 for a card. The best you can do then is a 6570 or a GT 620. I would really like to see a review pitting that setup against the A10 5800k. I know the GPU would win in the A10, but I want to see how a dual Pentium fairs against the A10 CPU.
 
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Intel is pushing OpenCL/MP for one reason: Their CPU stinks at FP math. Hence, they want to offload to their reasonably powerful IGP, hiding their chips biggest performance bottleneck.

Also remember that OpenCL/MP only really makes sense under two conditions:

1: Your workload is reasonably parallel
2: You are doing a non-GPU intensive workload
 
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All american cars suck, they may be nice like the muscle car from the late 60's and early 70's, but I will take any car from the B series before an american car, Lancia Delta HF Integrale 0-100 5.5 seconds on gravel, it's a shame they ended B series
 
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Lexus LF-A, IS-F, Nissan GTR. Laguna Seca. Go have a beer. If you meant any 4 cylinder car, then Mazdaspeed3, STi, and EVO all have 4 cylinder engines and will smoke any 4 cylinder Ford u got out there. Not to mention FAAAAAR better resale value.




Yep, of course. Garbage barely sold due to interior quality and atrocious ride quality.

Not to mention its more expensive than 2012-13 GTR which is faster due to updated power. GTR also has 4 seats, more interior space, great AWD. derp.
 
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