AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[triny]

OK let's set the record straight.
no fanboi here as I run AMD and Intel units.
I run my 965BE more than I run my 2500K and was running AM2+ before my first Intel build LGA 1156.
I want Piledriver to be successful as I will pass over Bulldozer.
I mean dude, the Deneb C3 is closer to the LGA 1156 then the Zambezi is and that's a shame...
and the FX-81xx vs LGA 1366 is another no contest..

I am anti-Bulldozer however and will admit that.
at the same time, I'm pro nVidia but not anti-Radeon just an FYI on that... 😉

So, how much is AMD paying you.?
(said in jest, so don't get upset over IP address..)

I am anti nothing and if I see someone talking about their BD I won't rain on their parade like a teenager without a clue
Personally I don't see the point .
It's all been said the benchmarks all out

 

[jimmysmitty]

Well that be why you see Trinity being soso your assuming it has to compete with SB it's not going to be going up against SB
it's mainly a mobile chip and the few that are desktop models are mainstream .By the same token SB has no hope of competing with it in mobile applications.
I am sorry that you think I am a AMD fan since I've never owned AMD products before but I will be buying a trinity Laptop
Why should I shift to AMD?
Because AMD proved with Lano that Intel has no idea about what people want in a Laptop
I really don't care about either company but if I was a betting man I'd bet that AMD's HSA vision will attract many people
I don't buy a computer based on benchmarks or cpu speed I want igp power it's crucial for laptops.
Everyone has an opinion

This is all wrong. Trinity will still compete with SB in mobile and low end DT. Its not as if SB is not in mobile. Plus IB will be out soon.

And I can easily tell you what people want in a notebook; light weight, long battery and good features. Intel currently has all of those. AMD doesn't but will in time.

You are basing everything on gaming and the majority of laptop users don't game. They will browse the web, watch Blu-Ray (which even HD2K is easily capable of) and use programs like Office and such. Those that do game are of two categories: 1. they play very light games like Plants vs Zombies, Farmville etc. 2. Those that play high end games will buy a gaming laptop like an Asus RoG laptop with a discrete GPU that will make even AMDs IGP look pathetic.

IB will push even more and allow for a wider range, as will Trinity. I never said Trinitys IGP will suck. I never said the CPU will either. What I said was that I think Trinity will be a worse performer per core and per clock than Llano.

 

[Chad Boga]

People like MU and myself are non-biased. We favor neither company.

I take it you are joking?

 

[viridiancrystal]

I think many of us are very hopeful for AMD, because whatever the case is, if AMD stops being a factor at all in the cpu world, Intel will go nuts(which means many things). I am a fan of AMD because when i became a knowledgeable person on tech, they were the underdog. They were in the hole and trying to dig their way out, while they had someone bigger and stronger than they pushing them back down.

Its like watching a High schooler beating up a helpless Elementary schooler. Being the human being I am, I can hardly stand to see that happen.

Here is what i think about whats coming up from both sides this year, all my own unbiased or biased opinion.

The rest of the Radeon 7xxx series will be better than their 6xxx opponents, while pushing many nice features and an extremely low power envelope.

Keplar is going to be a major let down, and Nvidia will be behind on numerous fronts in the gpu market. It is not going to be as good as some may think. I doubt it will push the 7970 too far, and maybe beat it slightly, but not much.

Ivy will be a very similar situation as Sandy, with a slight performance up on cpu, mainly due to higher clocks. I highly doubt Intel will go as far as expected with their igp. 50% sounds completely ridiculous, but it depends on how desperate they are to get their graphics better.

PD is going to be a small improvement over BD. 5-10%, still behind Sandy, with many lingering issues that should not have been overlooked, and another sign of AMD not doing well on their cpus.

Trinity is a special case. Seeing the models clocked near 4 Ghz makes me lose a lot of hope for AMD cpu's in the future. It may be an improvement, but this just feels like it is not going to end right. Again I say that 50% improved gpu is much to high. AMD does have a graphics segment, so I give them a believably nod over Intel's 50% claims.

I just want to say, i feel terrible writing this. AMD has a chance to find themselves as a real competitor to Intel, but too many things say that they simply cannot keep up. I cannot put into words how disappointing AMD is looking right now. They are making leaps and bounds in the gpu world, but they cannot muster a cpu to top themselves. Truly a sad time for someone who wants to see AMD succeed.

 

[Chad Boga]

I'd toss CB into the pile with BM.

BM made numerous crazy fanboy predictions about Bulldozer and I disputed them and was proven correct.

I never make any crazy predictions about any company's upcoming products, yet in your mind, BM and I are in the same "pile".

Your opinion is literally worthless with "great thinking" like that.

 

[triny]

Just for shnitz and giggles:

http://techiser.com/amd-trinity-a8-vs-llano-a8-3850-3dmark-11-benchmark-147387.html

This shows a light. Of course it shows only one part, the CPU. The GPU is just rubbish as Trinity got to use a HD7950, while Llano got to use a HD6550D IGP. So thats nothing to look at. But look at the Physics score, which is mainly CPU bound.

The scores are interesting. Llano has a 13% lead when both are clocked at 3.2GHz. As I said, rumors are showing that Trinity on a per core and per clock level is slower than Llano, showing the same thing as BD which is slower than Stars on a per core and per clock level. Thats why Trinity will have top end CPUs reaching nearly 4GHz, so they can make it look better than it really is.

If we also ad 13% in clock speed to trinity, that means it will take about 3.616GHz Trinity to match a 3.2GHz Llano in the CPU end. In order to get the 10% some are expecting, that means a 3.936GHz Trinity CPU to look better than llano in the CPU and not just the IGP.

Of course as I said its all rumors and guesses. No way to say what I posted is true or if what I calculated is true. It may not be.

since when does 3d mark 11 rate how good a cpu is? your easily duped
there are leaks ,rumors and then there is rubbish
AMD says 20% cpu uplift I'd trust them more because if they don't deliver their finished
Personally I don't see them not beating stars easily with what they are doing
basing an opinion on a poorly executed BD is myopic

 

[jimmysmitty]

I think many of us are very hopeful for AMD, because whatever the case is, if AMD stops being a factor at all in the cpu world, Intel will go nuts(which means many things). I am a fan of AMD because when i became a knowledgeable person on tech, they were the underdog. They were in the hole and trying to dig their way out, while they had someone bigger and stronger than they pushing them back down.

Its like watching a High schooler beating up a helpless Elementary schooler. Being the human being I am, I can hardly stand to see that happen.

Here is what i think about whats coming up from both sides this year, all my own unbiased or biased opinion.

The rest of the Radeon 7xxx series will be better than their 6xxx opponents, while pushing many nice features and an extremely low power envelope.

Keplar is going to be a major let down, and Nvidia will be behind on numerous fronts in the gpu market. It is not going to be as good as some may think. I doubt it will push the 7970 too far, and maybe beat it slightly, but not much.

Ivy will be a very similar situation as Sandy, with a slight performance up on cpu, mainly due to higher clocks. I highly doubt Intel will go as far as expected with their igp. 50% sounds completely ridiculous, but it depends on how desperate they are to get their graphics better.

PD is going to be a small improvement over BD. 5-10%, still behind Sandy, with many lingering issues that should not have been overlooked, and another sign of AMD not doing well on their cpus.

Trinity is a special case. Seeing the models clocked near 4 Ghz makes me lose a lot of hope for AMD cpu's in the future. It may be an improvement, but this just feels like it is not going to end right. Again I say that 50% improved gpu is much to high. AMD does have a graphics segment, so I give them a believably nod over Intel's 50% claims.

I just want to say, i feel terrible writing this. AMD has a chance to find themselves as a real competitor to Intel, but too many things say that they simply cannot keep up. I cannot put into words how disappointing AMD is looking right now. They are making leaps and bounds in the gpu world, but they cannot muster a cpu to top themselves. Truly a sad time for someone who wants to see AMD succeed.

People said the same thing about HD3K. They thought it couldn't ever be any better than Intels previous. Then it came out and even trumped entry level discrete GPUs befroe Llano even saw the light of day. It was the first IGP to perform like a discrete entry level GPU did.

I can see IB IGP gettint those kinds of gains if not more. Remember the main difference between HD2K and HD3K is the amoutn of EUs. And HD3K tends to do 2x better than HD2K. IB will have 2x the EUs again as well as improvements to those said EUs and higher clock speeds. Add in faster supported memory and I can easily see a 50% performance jump if not more.

And having a graphics devision means nothing. ATI was going strong from the 9700Pro to the X1950XTX. I had a 9700Pro, 9800XT and X850XT all of which were amazing cards. But then they fell flat with the HD2K series which underperformed. I did have a HD2900Pro 1GB, mainly for the 1Gb VRAM that people said was useless, mush like a quad was usless then, until games like GTA IV took advantage of the extra VRAM and cores.

ATIs GPUs didn't pick up again until the HD4K series. The HD3K gave the same performance as the HD2K just with better thermals and power usage. The HD5K was great and saw an almost 2x performance jump.

As I have said before, Intel has the resources and I doubt they will fail like they did with Netburst again in the future. AMD brought its A game with Athlon 64 and uncaged Intels beast. Intel isn't going to throw their lead away.

 

[jimmysmitty]

since when does 3d mark 11 rate how good a cpu is? your easily duped
there are leaks ,rumors and then there is rubbish
AMD says 20% cpu uplift I'd trust them more because if they don't deliver their finished
Personally I don't see them not beating stars easily with what they are doing
basing an opinion on a poorly executed BD is myopic

I never said 3DMark did. Its synthetic, meaning its pointless. You just wanted links. I provided one which supported my theory, from a third party source who honestly are much more trustable than the company it comes from.

So first you want the links to the "rumors" now you want to discredit them when I stated they were just "rumors" to begin with and not fact. Interesting.

AMD also said BD would be better than SB, it isn't. See what I am getting at? Intel makes claims, and though I think Intel is easier to believe than AMD since their track record from Core 2 Duo and up has been pretty good, I still wait till a third party like THG, Anand and such has the chance to review it.

They have a unbiased opinion and put up synthetic and real world benchmarks. Thats what matter.

 

[triny]

This is all wrong. Trinity will still compete with SB in mobile and low end DT. Its not as if SB is not in mobile. Plus IB will be out soon.

And I can easily tell you what people want in a notebook; light weight, long battery and good features. Intel currently has all of those. AMD doesn't but will in time.

You are basing everything on gaming and the majority of laptop users don't game. They will browse the web, watch Blu-Ray (which even HD2K is easily capable of) and use programs like Office and such. Those that do game are of two categories: 1. they play very light games like Plants vs Zombies, Farmville etc. 2. Those that play high end games will buy a gaming laptop like an Asus RoG laptop with a discrete GPU that will make even AMDs IGP look pathetic.

IB will push even more and allow for a wider range, as will Trinity. I never said Trinitys IGP will suck. I never said the CPU will either. What I said was that I think Trinity will be a worse performer per core and per clock than Llano.

you seem to be on a one track mission
Intel has no idea ok for a workng solution other than that they are not what people want the graphics are terrible with a discrete bat life low . costs too much
not just gaming video content overall is low
and the pie in the sky promise of dx11 igp while faking the video capped Intel in the knee.
As far as mobile is concerned I see a lot of people going with AMD
All the people I know are waiting for a ulv AMD all based off what a friend's lowly HP lano laptop could do compared to our intel laptops. we were shocked.
People I know don't really care if one cpu is better they don't buy cpu they buy laptops
AMD proved to my circle of friends that Intel doesn't match AMD.

I don't think you compared them or you would have a different opinion

 

[triny]

I never said 3DMark did. Its synthetic, meaning its pointless. You just wanted links. I provided one which supported my theory, from a third party source who honestly are much more trustable than the company it comes from.

So first you want the links to the "rumors" now you want to discredit them when I stated they were just "rumors" to begin with and not fact. Interesting.

AMD also said BD would be better than SB, it isn't. See what I am getting at? Intel makes claims, and though I think Intel is easier to believe than AMD since their track record from Core 2 Duo and up has been pretty good, I still wait till a third party like THG, Anand and such has the chance to review it.

They have a unbiased opinion and put up synthetic and real world benchmarks. Thats what matter.

you have a point I suppose

 

[triny]

People said the same thing about HD3K. They thought it couldn't ever be any better than Intels previous. Then it came out and even trumped entry level discrete GPUs befroe Llano even saw the light of day. It was the first IGP to perform like a discrete entry level GPU did.

I can see IB IGP gettint those kinds of gains if not more. Remember the main difference between HD2K and HD3K is the amoutn of EUs. And HD3K tends to do 2x better than HD2K. IB will have 2x the EUs again as well as improvements to those said EUs and higher clock speeds. Add in faster supported memory and I can easily see a 50% performance jump if not more.

And having a graphics devision means nothing. ATI was going strong from the 9700Pro to the X1950XTX. I had a 9700Pro, 9800XT and X850XT all of which were amazing cards. But then they fell flat with the HD2K series which underperformed. I did have a HD2900Pro 1GB, mainly for the 1Gb VRAM that people said was useless, mush like a quad was usless then, until games like GTA IV took advantage of the extra VRAM and cores.

ATIs GPUs didn't pick up again until the HD4K series. The HD3K gave the same performance as the HD2K just with better thermals and power usage. The HD5K was great and saw an almost 2x performance jump.

As I have said before, Intel has the resources and I doubt they will fail like they did with Netburst again in the future. AMD brought its A game with Athlon 64 and uncaged Intels beast. Intel isn't going to throw their lead away.

your a new comer then in 2006 AMD could of bought Intel the tides ebb and flow I see it flowing back to AMD sooner or later

 

[MU_Engineer]

your a new comer then in 2006 AMD could of bought Intel the tides ebb and flow I see it flowing back to AMD sooner or later

Not even close. AMD at its peak in the mid-2000s was still maybe 1/5th of the value of Intel at that time. Intel would have needed to absolutely implode for AMD to be the dominant company of the two. And by implode, I mean doing something like selling off all of their fabs and ending all design of anything but Itanium and Larrabee GPUs. Intel is just so much bigger that they can absolutely MASSIVELY screw up and still be viable. Even if they completely punt every single design they touch, they still are one of the largest and most cutting-edge semiconductor manufacturing firms out there, and they could give any other high-performance fab group a whipping.

 

[triny]

I think many of us are very hopeful for AMD, because whatever the case is, if AMD stops being a factor at all in the cpu world, Intel will go nuts(which means many things). I am a fan of AMD because when i became a knowledgeable person on tech, they were the underdog. They were in the hole and trying to dig their way out, while they had someone bigger and stronger than they pushing them back down.

Its like watching a High schooler beating up a helpless Elementary schooler. Being the human being I am, I can hardly stand to see that happen.

Here is what i think about whats coming up from both sides this year, all my own unbiased or biased opinion.

The rest of the Radeon 7xxx series will be better than their 6xxx opponents, while pushing many nice features and an extremely low power envelope.

Keplar is going to be a major let down, and Nvidia will be behind on numerous fronts in the gpu market. It is not going to be as good as some may think. I doubt it will push the 7970 too far, and maybe beat it slightly, but not much.

Ivy will be a very similar situation as Sandy, with a slight performance up on cpu, mainly due to higher clocks. I highly doubt Intel will go as far as expected with their igp. 50% sounds completely ridiculous, but it depends on how desperate they are to get their graphics better.

PD is going to be a small improvement over BD. 5-10%, still behind Sandy, with many lingering issues that should not have been overlooked, and another sign of AMD not doing well on their cpus.

Trinity is a special case. Seeing the models clocked near 4 Ghz makes me lose a lot of hope for AMD cpu's in the future. It may be an improvement, but this just feels like it is not going to end right. Again I say that 50% improved gpu is much to high. AMD does have a graphics segment, so I give them a believably nod over Intel's 50% claims.

I just want to say, i feel terrible writing this. AMD has a chance to find themselves as a real competitor to Intel, but too many things say that they simply cannot keep up. I cannot put into words how disappointing AMD is looking right now. They are making leaps and bounds in the gpu world, but they cannot muster a cpu to top themselves. Truly a sad time for someone who wants to see AMD succeed.

pretty good prediction
mine is similar
7 series cards will be lauded for low power and innovation
Kepler will be very good but also an energy hog
IB will be a few ticks faster than SB but no improved igp or will be slower than SB with basic dx11
PD will be 10-15% per core faster than BD
Trinity desktop will be 25% +cpu and 60% +igp
Trinity mobile 40% cpu+ 60% igp +

 

[Chad Boga]

Kepler will be very good but also an energy hog

What is your basis for claiming Kepler will be an energy hog?

IB will be a few ticks faster than SB but no improved igp

How do you work out the IGP isn't improved over SB's IGP?

It should be at least 30% better, and most likely closer to 50%

PD will be 10-15% per core faster than BD

Unlikely in my view, not enough time has passed since BD's launch.

Trinity desktop will be 25% +cpu and 60% +igp
Trinity mobile 40% cpu+ 60% igp +

The IGP improvements you are claiming for Trinity are much larger than even AMD are hinting at, and it isn't like AMD are "conservative" in their claims of future performance.

 

[triny]

Not even close. AMD at its peak in the mid-2000s was still maybe 1/5th of the value of Intel at that time. Intel would have needed to absolutely implode for AMD to be the dominant company of the two. And by implode, I mean doing something like selling off all of their fabs and ending all design of anything but Itanium and Larrabee GPUs. Intel is just so much bigger that they can absolutely MASSIVELY screw up and still be viable. Even if they completely punt every single design they touch, they still are one of the largest and most cutting-edge semiconductor manufacturing firms out there, and they could give any other high-performance fab group a whipping.

check in 2006 Intel was floundering bad stock price marked down badly AMD was selling 100 to every one Intel part
about the exact reverse of today.
times change in the business world fortunes can change quickly especially if your competitor is paying your customers
to not buy your product as Intel was caught doing at least they paid billions for their crime.


http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/372859/amd-what-went-wrong

 

[triny]

What is your basis for claiming Kepler will be an energy hog?
caught off guard by series 7 low power needs

IB will be a few ticks faster than SB but no improved igp

How do you work out the IGP isn't improved over SB's IGP?

If they have to fake videos of dx11 then they are at least a year away from it had they had an engineering example even
it would take at least 6 months to get the kinks fixed and ramp it up

It should be at least 30% better, and most likely closer to 50% I gave them the benefit of doubt and said if they improve igp 50% to dx11 it would be at the expense of die space from the cpu

PD will be 10-15% per core faster than BD

Unlikely in my view, not enough time has passed since BD's launch.

AMD is already working on excavator chips are not worked one at a time
Can't see less than that it isn't a lot to expect considering what BD is like
in fact i suspect AMD used failed server chips for BD

Trinity desktop will be 25% +cpu and 60% +igp
Trinity mobile 40% cpu+ 60% igp +

The IGP improvements you are claiming for Trinity are much larger than even AMD are hinting at, and it isn't like AMD are "conservative" in their claims of future performance.

actually AMD said said 20 and 50 and then revised saying it would be better than 20 50

these are just my predictions tell us yours Chad
shalom

 

[palladin9479]

This is all wrong. Trinity will still compete with SB in mobile and low end DT. Its not as if SB is not in mobile. Plus IB will be out soon.

And I can easily tell you what people want in a notebook; light weight, long battery and good features. Intel currently has all of those. AMD doesn't but will in time.

You are basing everything on gaming and the majority of laptop users don't game. They will browse the web, watch Blu-Ray (which even HD2K is easily capable of) and use programs like Office and such. Those that do game are of two categories: 1. they play very light games like Plants vs Zombies, Farmville etc. 2. Those that play high end games will buy a gaming laptop like an Asus RoG laptop with a discrete GPU that will make even AMDs IGP look pathetic.

IB will push even more and allow for a wider range, as will Trinity. I never said Trinitys IGP will suck. I never said the CPU will either. What I said was that I think Trinity will be a worse performer per core and per clock than Llano.

This is pure proof that JS is an Intel Fanboi on the say level that BM was with AMD.

I happen to have a 3530MX APU sitting at my house in my HP dv6qze. It easily games at 1366x768 (native resolution for that screen), but most importantly it allows my GF to watch all her movies / shows plus do her random office work. She absolutely loves the thing, and the cost to me was less then $800 USD. Most of the extra was that I refused to give her a laptop with a 5200 RPM HDD or the low end APU. For myself I'll be buying one of the newer HP's within the next months, I'm only holding out to see if Trinity is worth the purchase, otherwise I'll just go with the 1920x1080 version of the DV6z.

This laptop promptly stomps anything Intel's got in the same market segment. Cheap, lightweight, power frugal and can do everything a non-power user desires to do. If you really want to skimp you can get it for less then $650. The IGP is ~that~ good. Will it touch a discrete GPU? Not remotely, it does a decent job but it doesn't have the memory bandwidth to get anywhere remotely close to a real GPU. When comparing a mobile AMD APU vs SB i3/5/7 (take your pick) the APU beats them as a total platform. I know the Intel zealots will scream and cry on this, but it's true, for it's value nothing touch's the mobile APU's. Intel crush's AMD completely in the desktop arena, so much that I've actually put thought into buying a new Board / CPU for my gaming rig. I'll hold off to see how PD / IB do, then come this summer when I do maintenance on my water loop, if IB is clearly dominate for high end (i5-2500K level now) I'll make the switch.

And Mal, you shouldn't be anti-anything. AMD has no where near the R&D budget Intel has and quite frankly I'm surprised their still in the game at all. BD currently sucks, they had a great idea (modularization of CPU components) and I see where their going with this (integrating the GPU as a SIMD processor) but their execution sucked hardcore this time around. Recognize what they did right and what they did wrong and leave it at that. CB and BM went back and forth with insanity about BD, the only difference between the two was that CB bet with the house while BM bet against it. If (BIG IF) AMD had a great execution with BD then CB would be the one slinking away into hiding while refusing to recognize the success of the opposition. Fundamentally there is no difference between them.

 

[esrever]

I simply like rooting for the underdog.

 

[palladin9479]

I don't really root for either side. I do wish AMD would put out better products, if only to keep Intel on their toes, otherwise we'll be back to ~33Mhz slight upgrades every 6 months.

I just take issue when people let their personal hate get out of control. Hating is bad no matter the target.

 

[triny]

I simply like rooting for the underdog.

I want a vision laptop for m wife
intel laptops don't measure up as far as video is concerned

 

[Chad Boga]

CB and BM went back and forth with insanity about BD, the only difference between the two was that CB bet with the house while BM bet against it..

No the difference was that I was basing my assessments on the real world, comments made by ex-AMD designers, numerous reports of problems with GloFlo's process, insightful previews by the likes of David Kanter etc and overarching all this was commensense and logic.

BM's mad claims were nothing more than wishfulfilment run amok and a refusal to face any facts, even after BD launched. Hell, he doubled down with 15-20 % average improvement due to the Microsoft patch.

If (BIG IF) AMD had a great execution with BD then CB would be the one slinking away into hiding while refusing to recognize the success of the opposition. Fundamentally there is no difference between them.

You have no evidence to make this shoddy assertion.

I said time and time again that if I was wrong on Bulldozer, that I would be here to face my critics.

I also predicted that BM and JF-AMD would need to disappear though. :lol:

 

[esrever]

I like seeing if the small guy can win against all odds but Im still about value. I'd never buy something like the FX8150 but if AMD does sell a competitive product, Im all over it. I would like to see them do better just for the sake of competition as well.

 

[jimmysmitty]

This is pure proof that JS is an Intel Fanboi on the say level that BM was with AMD.

I happen to have a 3530MX APU sitting at my house in my HP dv6qze. It easily games at 1366x768 (native resolution for that screen), but most importantly it allows my GF to watch all her movies / shows plus do her random office work. She absolutely loves the thing, and the cost to me was less then $800 USD. Most of the extra was that I refused to give her a laptop with a 5200 RPM HDD or the low end APU. For myself I'll be buying one of the newer HP's within the next months, I'm only holding out to see if Trinity is worth the purchase, otherwise I'll just go with the 1920x1080 version of the DV6z.

This laptop promptly stomps anything Intel's got in the same market segment. Cheap, lightweight, power frugal and can do everything a non-power user desires to do. If you really want to skimp you can get it for less then $650. The IGP is ~that~ good. Will it touch a discrete GPU? Not remotely, it does a decent job but it doesn't have the memory bandwidth to get anywhere remotely close to a real GPU. When comparing a mobile AMD APU vs SB i3/5/7 (take your pick) the APU beats them as a total platform. I know the Intel zealots will scream and cry on this, but it's true, for it's value nothing touch's the mobile APU's. Intel crush's AMD completely in the desktop arena, so much that I've actually put thought into buying a new Board / CPU for my gaming rig. I'll hold off to see how PD / IB do, then come this summer when I do maintenance on my water loop, if IB is clearly dominate for high end (i5-2500K level now) I'll make the switch.

And Mal, you shouldn't be anti-anything. AMD has no where near the R&D budget Intel has and quite frankly I'm surprised their still in the game at all. BD currently sucks, they had a great idea (modularization of CPU components) and I see where their going with this (integrating the GPU as a SIMD processor) but their execution sucked hardcore this time around. Recognize what they did right and what they did wrong and leave it at that. CB and BM went back and forth with insanity about BD, the only difference between the two was that CB bet with the house while BM bet against it. If (BIG IF) AMD had a great execution with BD then CB would be the one slinking away into hiding while refusing to recognize the success of the opposition. Fundamentally there is no difference between them.

I'm sorry but how many Intel products have you bought in the past year? I can tell you how many AMD products I have bought easily: 4. HD5870, Athlon II, AMD based mobo and a HD5450. Intel, none.

For an Intel fanboi I sure have bought a lot of AMD products recently and the last time I bought, as in paid for, an Intel product was in 2007 with my P335 mobo and Q6600. I got a X25-M for free and traded my Q6600 for my QX6850 since I don't have the funds, well not that but the wife wont let me, to buy a new system and this will make mine last maybe a year more.

In fact I was contemplating upgrading my HTPC first, which is also another AMD setup, be it a older Athlon X2 but still I have more AMD products in my home than I do Intel, with Llano because I want a quad core for my HTPC instead of a dual core, unfortunatley the mobo will not take a Athlon II or Phenom II. And honestly it will probably stay that way as I prefer their GPUs even though nVidia, until the HD7900 series, has been the better performer.

You can call me a fanboi but I work in the tech market and as well sales. I deal with more people and see what they want. AMD does have superior graphics, I never claimed otherwise. But Intel has the superior process and better power numbers along with better CPU performance (how else could a quad core with SMT keep up with or beat a "8" core CPU?), else they wouldn't have Atom based tablets that are rumored to go 9+ hours. Add to that 22nm 3D Tri Gates and there goes another lead Intel will have in laptops and UMIDs.

And sorry but I am nothing like BM. BM would absolutley go AMD, even when proven wrong. You must have forgotten when he was around for Barcelona, or maybe you were not here. I was honestly thinking it would be the next Athlon 64 and that my jump to C2Q was too early, although I built it for TF2/HL2 EP2. But it wasn't.

BTW, http://www.shopsws.com/laptops/asus/n53sv-xvi.html

Yea its a bit more than what you payed but its a quad core, with a discrete GPU, 7200RPM drive and a 1080p HD screen. Sorry but HP laptops are pure crap. A lot had bad nVidia mobos that when they found out about it, they didn't even have the courtesy to issue a recall. Sure they extended the warranty but a lot of people didn't get the issue until the extended warranty was up and would have to pay $400 to fix a issue HP knew about. This spanned for quite a few laptops over a few years.

Still if you paid $800, this one at $900 ($100 more) is a overall better value considering its performance ability.

 

[BadTrip]

check in 2006 Intel was floundering bad stock price marked down badly AMD was selling 100 to every one Intel part
about the exact reverse of today.
times change in the business world fortunes can change quickly especially if your competitor is paying your customers
to not buy your product as Intel was caught doing at least they paid billions for their crime.


http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/372859/amd-what-went-wrong

That news story is about as stupid as your comments....

 

[esrever]

That news story is about as stupid as your comments....

they story wasn't thaaat bad