AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[cgner]

BD- 1.0
PD- 1.01
SR- 1.1
EX-1.12

 

[esrever]

BD- 1.0
PD- 1.01
SR- 1.1
EX-1.12

if only firefox would follow that kind of numbering.

 

[obsama1]

PD is definitely not 1.01. It would be like this:

BD - 1.0
PD - 1.1/1.5
SR - 2.0
EX - 3.0

 

[king smp]

BD was 1.0 BETA

 

[esrever]

We actually have no info on Excavator except its most likely on 20nm or 14nm depending on how well GLOFO can execute their projected road map. I wonder if they will have it on AM3+, would probably be release about the time DDR4 becomes viable for consumers. Im probably getting way ahead of everything xD

 

[Dangi]

We actually have no info on Excavator except its most likely on 20nm or 14nm depending on how well GLOFO can execute their projected road map. I wonder if they will have it on AM3+, would probably be release about the time DDR4 becomes viable for consumers. Im probably getting way ahead of everything xD

Steamroller is supposed to be the last AM3+ CPU before AMD unifies all sockets, that should be when DDR4 becomes mainstream, no need for a new socket before that

 

[EXT64]

AM3+ is supposed to last that long? I assume they will upgrade chipsets/features in the meantime, though it would be neat if a current board could fully run SR.

 

[jdwii]

Well yes, PD is supposed to have minor tweaks here and there and SR being the huge improvement, but BD was released over a year ago and software is slowly ( ver slowly) catching up, not too long ago Tom's made a review http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-llano-opencl,3284.html and well while I don't think BD will be that huge improvement over a year, it did improve a bit with different patches and newer soft

Also if I'm not mistaken SR will be 22nm ( or 28 ? ) that also will improve the chip, not a huge improvement but ~5% is quite easy to achieve with new fab proces

Not really when Intel improves their fabrication its not much to performance at least in IPC but it does allow more efficiency which means higher clocks. I'd say on average performance only went up 3-5%(because of patches and even using windows 8 with Bulldozer only improves performance 3-5% on average) this is not really Amd's fault but the fault of programmers(under certain uses) not taking advantage on some of the newer Instruction sets out their.

BD- 1.0
PD- 1.01
SR- 1.1
EX-1.12

Lets not go this far, I'm hoping the layoffs at Amd(AKA marketing team) is for Amd to put MORE focus on their Engineering department and i hope the engineering department doesn't think MOAR cores will solve their issues but something tells me the marketing team had something to do with that philosophy. What a Amd fan i am, i blame their Business department for cutting corners in the wrong areas(not doing hand drawn designs is one example) and i blame their marketing team for hyping Bulldozer so bad(leading people on to think Bulldozer would be 35% better), and i also blame Global disasters(or was it Globalfoundries) for making Amd's bulldozer get delayed over and over and when they finally get it out their Fabrication doesn't allow Amd to clock their CPU as high as they hoped) but i don't however blame their engineering department one bit.

I hope to god Amd switches from Globalfoundries to TSMC or at least split their load between the 2 so Globalfoundries isn't so overworked or TSMC for that matter(looks to be a possible outcome) not only will this fix Power consumption and clock issues it will also be more likely for Amd to release their products on time!

BD was 1.0 BETA

I'd say more like Pre-alpha

 

[EXT64]

Remember, Intel has the new instructions too, so once codes start incorporating them, it will help both AMD and Intel.

 

[esrever]

Remember, Intel has the new instructions too, so once codes start incorporating them, it will help both AMD and Intel.

true but the even intel doesn't have FMA3 until haswell.

 

[mayankleoboy1]

http://www.behardware.com/articles/847-1/the-impact-of-compilers-on-x86-x64-cpu-architectures.html

compares the impact of various compilers on AMD and Intel CPU's.


This also explains why its not so easy to use the "new instructions" in general programs.

 

[EXT64]

Which means we probably won't see any FMA3 in use until well after Haswell 😀

 

[cgner]

if only firefox would follow that kind of numbering.

true that. Every time they sort of refine one needless feature they go up a step. sigh

BD was 1.0 BETA

Then it would be 0.127615 😀
Then PD 1.0 test product.
SR- 1.5 patched version
EX- 1.9 new maps and bugs fixed lol

Lets not go this far, I'm hoping the layoffs at Amd(AKA marketing team) is for Amd to put MORE focus on their Engineering department and i hope the engineering department doesn't think MOAR cores will solve their issues but something tells me the marketing team had something to do with that philosophy. What a Amd fan i am, i blame their Business department for cutting corners in the wrong areas(not doing hand drawn designs is one example) and i blame their marketing team for hyping Bulldozer so bad(leading people on to think Bulldozer would be 35% better), and i also blame Global disasters(or was it Globalfoundries) for making Amd's bulldozer get delayed over and over and when they finally get it out their Fabrication doesn't allow Amd to clock their CPU as high as they hoped) but i don't however blame their engineering department one bit.

Yep, if they saved many many many dollars blown on marketing campaign and reinvested in better manufacturing and development, they would not need advertisement.

 

[de5_Roy]

AMD Trinity A10-5800K vs Intel Ivy Bridge i5-3470 - Reviews with Synthetic Benchmarks don't matter right?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-vs-intel-ivy-bridge-i5-3470--reviews-with-synthetic-benchmarks-don-t-matter-right-/17271.html

 

[$hawn]

AMD Trinity A10-5800K vs Intel Ivy Bridge i5-3470 - Reviews with Synthetic Benchmarks don't matter right?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-vs-intel-ivy-bridge-i5-3470--reviews-with-synthetic-benchmarks-don-t-matter-right-/17271.html

Why the hell is the A10 benched against an i5 ?!!! How lame and stupid is that? The A10 falls in the i3 price range....no point in comparing it with an i5, then marking everything in red to show that its slower !!

 

[tonync_01]

Some more Trinity reviews:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/asus-f2a85-v-pro-amd-a10-5800k-w-hd7660d/

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-A10-and-A8-Trinity-APU-Virgo-CPU-Performance/?page=1

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2047/1/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k.html

http://www.overclockers.com/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-apu-review

 

[$hawn]

And here we go again, legitreviews.com certainly needs to be awarded a big pile of cow dung
They are comparing a $140 A10 against a $330 i7 3770K !!! Are they freakin out of their minds?!!

Wonder why they didn't compare it against the i7-3960x instead !! 😛

 

[esrever]

And here we go again, legitreviews.com certainly needs to be awarded a big pile of cow dung
They are comparing a $140 A10 against a $330 i7 3770K !!! Are they freakin out of their minds?!!

Wonder why they didn't compare it against the i7-3960x instead !! 😛

probably cause they can't afford it since nobody goes to their site.

 

[tonync_01]

And here we go again, legitreviews.com certainly needs to be awarded a big pile of cow dung
They are comparing a $140 A10 against a $330 i7 3770K !!! Are they freakin out of their minds?!!

Wonder why they didn't compare it against the i7-3960x instead !! 😛

It looks like the A10 is going for about $125:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280

it should be compared with an i3-2120 at that price point.

 

[sarinaide]

And here we go again, legitreviews.com certainly needs to be awarded a big pile of cow dung
They are comparing a $140 A10 against a $330 i7 3770K !!! Are they freakin out of their minds?!!

Wonder why they didn't compare it against the i7-3960x instead !! 😛

They are comparing iGPU performance in gaming and productivity, and the 3770K is the only intel chip that can challenge those stakes with a llano on the cost of higher production cost and more muscle, this is why I say AMD is way ahead in heterogeneous computing and need to ensure they make a lot of it, effectively put intel out of it before they can get into it.

But when a True program shows it has more performance it is faster on lots of games Amd is behind by 20-60FPS i saw Benchmarks that shows Amd to get around 50FPS on average vs 70-80FPS on Intel and this is at comparable prices.

Its very rare, in most instances those games were broken and re-patched, the case in point the developers of BL2 said a patch is expected to fix the AMD performance issues across all CPU's. I did a few frap bench runs with various CPU's and the 8150 was withing 2-3FPS of a 3770K, 3 FPS at $350 vs $200 is not a justifiable price to pay.

 

[the3holepuncher]

This does mildly sadden me. I was hoping the FX-8350 was to be released today as well, which I had previously seen, but it's not listed on newegg or any other site as of yet 🙁

Hopefully I won't have to wait until the projected October 23rd date to get my piledriver, though. Unless that's a confirmed hard release date.

 

[esrever]

Its most likely the 23rd, maybe even later. No real release date have been given, just rumors.

 

[amuffin]

Trinity core for core is faster than FX.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-trinity-on-the-desktop-part-2/2

 

[sarinaide]

Considering a Trinity has less than half the computational potential of a full Piledriver core the results are impressive either way you look at it, it is slow progression to the point where a complex CPU will be fused with a high end graphics core which is AMD's real focus right now, its about ironing out the architecture until its ready for fusion, this has concerned intel a lot. A A10 without asymetrical crossfire is spewing out playable FPS at good resolutions, with it you get rather impressive low cost performance. Intel is on the clock with HD5000 now but sadly I think the claims that it plays Skyrim fully maxed at 1080 res is going to prove a complete disaster.

I5 2500K / GTX 560ti 8xMSAA/16xAF Ultra settings and distant LOD set to full barely hits 30FPS averages at 1920x1080P, A i7 3770K doesn't hit close to double digits....that is a pipedream that will never happen, I will say that Intel is roughly 5-6 years from developing a GTX560 equivilant graphics core, by then AMD will have a high end CPU and top line HD Radeon fusion, its just not going to happen.

 

[$hawn]

They are comparing iGPU performance in gaming and productivity, and the 3770K is the only intel chip that can challenge those stakes with a llano on the cost of higher production cost and more muscle

There's a chip called the i3-3225, which has an HD 4000 iGPU , similar to the i7-3770K Its at almost the same price point too ~$140; if they really wanted an even comparison that is

http://ark.intel.com/products/65692/Intel-Core-i3-3225-Processor-3M-Cache-3_30-GHz