AMD Pushes R600 Back To May

[Sithtiger]

ya me to
have fun i wont be back until after you
i gotta work

Thanx, you to....if you can. You work at Intel right?

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

uh ya that is it
i have volt modded my system all over the place and my X3000 graphics core freq is at 600Mhz
so dont give me your biased crap and acusations
i have recommened intel and amd
its not my fault ATI couldnt deliver

stop slinging your crap

My crap?
You're the one who talks alot of crap, talking about waiting for the R600 then rushing out to buy the G80 (or intel discrete you said :roll: ), which you didn't buy, and then you come in an bitch about people with their $500 cards and 500+W PSUs, but just a few posts before you were Talking about the R600 vs G80, then you BS saying that you need it for work and that somehow 3Dmark performance will tell you the 'Bandwidth' of the cards for some mythical app, which of course is BS.

So talking about crap, you and Sith are perfect for each other, either you'll feed of each other and give each other the other half of the story you guys are always missing, or you'll amplify each other to the point wehre I don't have to point out your BS it'll just be so glaring. :roll:

And if you don't work for intel, then you're obviously in deep with them which is just as biased obviously from your posts. Anyone can search your history, and while my posts support both companies GOOD products(although recently had battle Fud-packers like you two), you on the other hand have a decided bent to your posts. Either way, intel employee, or intel fanboi.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I'm not wrong about all the R600 results about ATi. I don't know the actual comment that ATi made? "ATI said in front of 150+ journalists that the R600XT won't be able to compete with the Geforce 8800 GTX. The dream is dead and Radeon HD 2900 XT won't be able to catch up with the six month old Geforce 8800 GTX." http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=703&Itemid=34

Like I said, in relationship to what? That's a good soundbite, but it doesn't say in what, because the R600 already beats it in alot of areas, so if they're only talking about Bungholiomarks, what would that matter? Also the HD2900XT not beating the GTX doesn't matter as much as a part priced neared to the GTX. At $400 even if it doesn't beat the GTX, it still wins on perf/$, now if the XTX is priced nearer to the GTX, then it needs to justify that more with more. Is that really so hard to figure out?

Is that better? I even included the URL so you can check my story.

I knew the story before you wrote about it, but try reading it again, and tell me what the areas it was weak in the mind of the person making the statement. Yoiu have no detail, so it's a pretty worthless quote since we don't know the extent it covers. And in the same article he talks about the XTX being delayed until Q3 (which is July) yet their SKUs are turning up already. So obviously some XTX's are coming sooner than he thought, and that's really the part that needs to beat the GTX if they're similarly priced.

And yes I believe the HD 2600 will beat the GF8600.

Well now that Fuad tells you to believe that, and I pointed it out to you. Seems a few posts back you were pretty certain about the opposite a few posts back when talking about market share and Radeon killers. :roll:

I don't think the R600 will catch up with the G80, because if there was ever any hope of that, AMD wouldn't have made that comment.

HMmm, talking about the slower clocked $400 solution not beating the GTX; and now you naturally assume that the entire R600 line won't beat the G80 which is at the end of it's cycle with the 675/1.175 Ultra, which has actually nothing to do with each other. Seriously read what's in Fuad articles and stick to that, as shown previously, you don't have the ability to work outside that box on your own you get lost very quickly.

If you recall back in 2005, when the R520 was up against the G70 (ATi was late with that card as well; although not as late as the R600!)

And the G70 aka NV47/48 was even later than that. Like I said earlier in this thread, study your history boy. It doesn't matter the delays, as long as there's part to compete in the price range, and the XT definitely beats the GTS, so will the XTX beats the GTX once it launches, that's the important thing not whether Anand/DT can figure out how to make one work prior to it hiting stores.

there were accusations about one being faster than the other blah blah, but ATi maintained that they were equal even when it seemed at first the G70 was the faster card. And ATi was right if not a little understated. The R520 was not only equal but slightly faster than the G70.

But not at first, and that may be a perfect illustration of what's going on here, which is why context is important for a statement like that. If the statement is: "at launch we can't get cheap GDDR4 in good supply so we will be using GDDR4 on the XT..., so the dream of beating the GTX with the XT at launch is now ended.... because of memory shortage, we will resrve the GDDR4 for the XTX which will beat the Ultra." Now since you don't know the context you don't know how that's to be interpreted. Maybe they wanted more market segmentation and decided to put GDDR3 on it to be cheaper so they could go after the GTS at a price point? You don't know, and that's the point.

I was actually thinking the same thing about the R600 XT and AMD would release some new drivers to not only match but surpass the G80 until yesterday morning when all that was dashed!

And then this morning Fuad mentions new drivers again, he knows there's video tweaks in it, but we don't know if the last of the performance tweaks are done yet either. AMD could do what is typical of these card mfrs and send out launch drivers with performance boosts/tweaks. Look at nVidia they had to recall a ton of defective G80s at launch, but quickly patched them up and sent them out again. Last minute tweaking is nothing new, and your ignorance of that just shows, that like the 2month old GF8600s, you really just don't know much about the industry other than what someone else feeds to you like pablum, and you regurgitate back into here.

Once again to explain it to you and B&C since you just don't FAQin get it, I'll wait for the final benchmarks before declaring a winner, market leader, Radeonn/GeForce-Killer, etc. the two of you just spread FUD with nothing to support it other than someone else's thoughts and words. When left to make your own arguments you both screw up royally, and then blame that you "read it somewhere". Seriously post me that GF8600's been around for 2 months link, I wanna see that before you post anything else. Because I say you lied about that to, so you could shift the blame.

Prove me wrong, that you were only naive, and not a liar.

 

[enewmen]

The 2900XT is lame, the 8800 Ultra is just an overclocked 8800 GTX.
So!
When/What are the Next-Gen DX10 cards?
Something like the performance of 8800 GTX SLI in 1 card?
But using only one 6pin power connection? (You don't need to remind me I expect too much)
Any ideas?
Do I need to wait a whole another year?

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Watch though, he'll try to go at it from another angle and try to ignore the R600 and shoot to the other cards, like he's already done. He'll try to draw me in on that angle.

No, I don't need to, I made no big swooping claims of 'fact' based on Fuad's statements, you on the other hand, you're now trying to shoot to another angle after entering the thread talking about market share (which favours AMD when you said it and as of the last numer still did) and a Radeon killer (that's an entire market segment, not just the High end). So really, who's trying to shift the discussion here? YOU. I aid from the start I expect the R600 to underperform the G80 in DX9 benchmarks and games (go back and check the posts are all accesible to you), but in DX10 and heavy lifting the R600 will likely show it's strengths. So one of the obvious reasons to delay such a card would be to have a DX10 app or something else to show that benefit/difference. Now that's what's called a 'GUESS' on my part, and it's worded as such, you on the other hand take rumours and pretend they're facts. So while you want to try and re-interpret the thread and your posts and my reasons for mentioning the midrange, you need to go back to your ignorant posts and see the difference.

Before he tried to deny that AMD wasn't in financial trouble

I never denied they weren't in financial difficulty, I denied your take on it which relates it directly to graphics market share, which is obviously not the case. AMD's financial trouble are because of debt load and poor CPU sales, not VPUs, where they sell pretty well and have the best options in 2 of the 5 classes, both of which comprise over 80+% of both the revenue and volume..

He doesn't want to respond to that now because he can't because they are in trouble.

I can respond to that in far greater depth that you, bud, half the reason I busted your post was due to your mis-understanding of the actual market.

Now that I've mentioned it, he'll again try to hit on it from another angle and go to something else and hopefully I want mention it again because you can't twist the facts when they're right in front of you![/

Show me a single 'fact' and then you'd have something, but sofar you've posted nothing but FUD, and your misconception that losing the high end is what's causing AMD financial difficulty shows exactly how little you know about the market, which is another reason I bring up the workstation market, because if nV and AMD swap those, AMD gets about twice as much money as they did before for those sectors. So really you're out of your depth boy, and I don't need to twist anything to prove that. :roll:

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Something like the performance of 8800 GTX SLI in 1 card?
But using only one 6pin power connection? (You don't need to remind me I expect too much)

No, you're just expecting it early, I predict (but could be wrong of course) that the card you seek, my young doctor, is the G90 or R700, because remember they will be on more efficient fabs and also be... PCIe2.0, therefore, you could have a single 6pin connetor on a card and provide 225W.

Now what I'd like is a laptop with that performance, that doesn't scorch my nuts or use up batteries in less than 30mins. How's that for a tall order? :twisted:

Any ideas?
Do I need to wait a whole another year?

Probably not a whole year, but likely close to it. I'm still uncertain about the target time for a true G90/R700, but I would suspect sometime around the new year +/- a month or two. But last generation both were delayed, same might happen again so spring launch for both is quite possible.

 

[Twisted_Sister]

Ummm... if you guys haven't noticed... TheGreatGrapeApe is just a troll. Just ignore him (as I will to his undoubted response to this).

He gets off on flaming, name calling, and making outrageous claims about a person’s employment (I guess Intel owes me some paychecks… better call their payroll department ).

Seems like a bright person, just not a civilized one.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Whatever man, you're just bitter. :roll:

 

[enewmen]

enewmen wrote:
Something like the performance of 8800 GTX SLI in 1 card?
But using only one 6pin power connection? (You don't need to remind me I expect too much)



No, you're just expecting it early, I predict (but could be wrong of course) that the card you seek, my young doctor, is the G90 or R700, because remember they will be on more efficient fabs and also be... PCIe2.0, therefore, you could have a single 6pin connetor on a card and provide 225W.

I can wait until spring 2008 for such a card. It will need to be PCI-E 16x 1.0 though. I thinik it will be necessary for Crysis on (near)Max settings and all future games of that detail. I also assume you don't want yout nuts scorched in the process.

 

[Sithtiger]

Ummm... if you guys haven't noticed... TheGreatGrapeApe is just a troll. Just ignore him (as I will to his undoubted response to this).

He gets off on flaming, name calling, and making outrageous claims about a person’s employment (I guess Intel owes me some paychecks… better call their payroll department ).

Seems like a bright person, just not a civilized one.

No way...if he was a troll, he would probably have thousands of posts. Oh wait. That's funny that you mentioned that because I was gonna say something like that today, but I was going to answer his posts first, but after mulling it over a bit, I think I'll just go ahead and ignore him because even if AMD just released official benchmarks and it officially shows the R600 sucks and the 2600 sucks (which is doesn't, but I'm just saying) he'd still try to find a way to cause some sort of upheaval with it.

So GrapeApe....have fun arguing with yourself! :lol:

 

[enewmen]

Ummm... if you guys haven't noticed... TheGreatGrapeApe is just a troll. Just ignore him (as I will to his undoubted response to this).

He gets off on flaming, name calling, and making outrageous claims about a person’s employment (I guess Intel owes me some paychecks… better call their payroll department ).

Seems like a bright person, just not a civilized one.

No way...if he was a troll, he would probably have thousands of posts. Oh wait. That's funny that you mentioned that because I was gonna say something like that today, but I was going to answer his posts first, but after mulling it over a bit, I think I'll just go ahead and ignore him because even if AMD just released official benchmarks and it officially shows the R600 sucks and the 2600 sucks (which is doesn't, but I'm just saying) he'd still try to find a way to cause some sort of upheaval with it.

So GrapeApe....have fun arguing with yourself! :lol:
The Ape has 14158 posts, been around a while, and he knows what he's talking about. I think video cards is one of his strong areas. He doesn't need me to tell people this.

 

[r0x0r]

The Ape has 14158 posts, been around a while, and he knows what he's talking about. I think video cards is one of his strong areas. He doesn't need me to tell people this.

I'll agree with that. I think he's one of the few people that realise that all AMD needs to do is price the 2900 series correctly, rather than smash 8800 benchmarks.

What I'm more interested in is the minimum fps the 2900's bench at; I couldn't give a crap if a card hits 200+ fps when I'm looking at wall if it chugs when the action heats up.

 

[enewmen]

The Ape has 14158 posts, been around a while, and he knows what he's talking about. I think video cards is one of his strong areas. He doesn't need me to tell people this.

I'll agree with that. I think he's one of the few people that realise that all AMD needs to do is price the 2900 series correctly, rather than smash 8800 benchmarks.

What I'm more interested in is the minimum fps the 2900's bench at; I couldn't give a crap if a card hits 200+ fps when I'm looking at wall if it chugs when the action heats up.
Your system is high-end in 2002. :lol:
But seriously, if you want a 2900 or better, you may need new everthing because of bottlenecks, PSU, etc.

 

[JeanLuc]

Ummm... if you guys haven't noticed... TheGreatGrapeApe is just a troll. Just ignore him (as I will to his undoubted response to this).

He gets off on flaming, name calling, and making outrageous claims about a person’s employment (I guess Intel owes me some paychecks… better call their payroll department ).

Seems like a bright person, just not a civilized one.

Attack the arguement not the man.

 

[r0x0r]

The Ape has 14158 posts, been around a while, and he knows what he's talking about. I think video cards is one of his strong areas. He doesn't need me to tell people this.

I'll agree with that. I think he's one of the few people that realise that all AMD needs to do is price the 2900 series correctly, rather than smash 8800 benchmarks.

What I'm more interested in is the minimum fps the 2900's bench at; I couldn't give a crap if a card hits 200+ fps when I'm looking at wall if it chugs when the action heats up.
Your system is high-end in 2002. :lol:
But seriously, if you want a 2900 or better, you may need new everthing because of bottlenecks, PSU, etc.

I know that! Can't afford a supercar either, but that won't stop me from having an interest in them.

 

[burazechan]

lol, I dont think anyone needs a high end system, just one that gets the job done. I have an afinity for the oldy known as the Geforce 4 TI it was a great card lol. I had one for years because I couldn't find one that could out perform it with how much it cost vs how much power it had. Then there came the price drops in the 7000 series, and I found a cheap 7600gs to hold me over till I could get a afforable DX10 *a card that didn't cost 300 dollars lol* card that could provide me the performance I needed for Video editing HD content and Video games so I dont have to worry about working another system up for another two years lol or three.
I wont be buying a new card till June or July, so that gives plenty of time for Nvidia to have some drops in price and ATi to have some of its new cards out to play. If I remember correctly it's just the XTX that is being release later, right?

 

[Sithtiger]

The Ape has 14158 posts, been around a while, and he knows what he's talking about. I think video cards is one of his strong areas. He doesn't need me to tell people this.

I'll agree with that. I think he's one of the few people that realise that all AMD needs to do is price the 2900 series correctly, rather than smash 8800 benchmarks.

What I'm more interested in is the minimum fps the 2900's bench at; I couldn't give a crap if a card hits 200+ fps when I'm looking at wall if it chugs when the action heats up.
Your system is high-end in 2002. :lol:
But seriously, if you want a 2900 or better, you may need new everthing because of bottlenecks, PSU, etc.

I know that! Can't afford a supercar either, but that won't stop me from having an interest in them.

I'd actually consider the R600 XT a supercard, but also the 8800 GTS 640 and 320MB versions as well. If you could afford the 320MB 8800 GTS, you'd be in a very good spot! You just O/C that sucker and you'll probably be at least as fast as the stock speed of the GTX, maybe faster.

 

[celewign]

Like how Jesus had a plan? You know, the whole crucifixtion thing?

Well, I don't think ATI can resurrect from the dead in three days. Or have, like, eight holidays related to it.
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[celewign]

Aww... poor Ape. Everyone's beatin on him. APE! YOU MUST HOLD OUT! I BELIEVE IN YOU! YOU MUST KEEP THIS FORUM FROM ITS SLIDE INTO THE DARK AGES! Help me Obiwankenobi (GreatApe), you are my only hope.
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ps. Carrie Fisher actually was hawt once.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I think Ive learned more from the Ape than anyone single poster here. Im glad he has all those posts, just means Ill get to learn more. As for say a gts oced to perform beyond a gtx...well, I havnt seen it have you? Its a real question, I like to learn. If its possible, then that IS a good buy, of course you need to play at lower rez's, but still...

 

[tamalero]

whasup with the huge ammount of trolls and enviousposters atacking ape's acknowledge in graphic card department? 😵


totally serious business....


btw, found this website, wondering if it finally shows the correct info of the R600 XT

http://r800.blogspot.com/2007/04/three-gorgeous-pics-of-radeon-hd-2900xt.html


*edit*
aaah,nothing like angry kiddy-posters getting annoyed by my post and thus tossing a "1 star" score XD

 

[celewign]

You're random capitalization and frequent slaughter of punctuation confuses me. 😀
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[JAYDEEJOHN]

Ill give ya a 5 then youl be a three 😀 😀

 

[tamalero]

Ill give ya a 5 then youl be a three 😀 😀

why, thank you!, I feel special ( btw, seems I got 3 votes.. 1 for 1, 1 for 5, and 1 for 3 ) D:


im being hated...in the internets ;_;

 

[celewign]

I gave it a 5 star.

Just for you.




I love you.
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